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The Joe Rogan Thread

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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,894
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    This is ridiculous imo. Are we really to the point where we have to babysit everyone? Tell them who not to listen to and who to listen to regarding this fuckin virus? “Waaahhh I don’t like what he’s saying. It’s either me or him”. He sounds like an elderly baby. 

    Interesting take, Nick.  He sounds to me more like a wise elder saying, "Fuck this guy for spreading information that is harmful to others," and then using his position as an well respected artist to make a difference- not because that is more important than his art (he has stated previously that he is a musician first before being an activist), but simply because he is in a position to do so, because he has the ability to use his visibility to do something positive.  Damn, I wish I had that opportunity.
    I respect your opinion. “It’s me or him” sounds like something a child would say. How many intelligent people were about to get vaccinated, then tuned into a podcast hosted by a ufc commentator/stand up comedian , then changed their mind? Enough to make a difference? I doubt it. Anti vaxers were around long before trump, Covid or the joe Rogan podcast. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,820
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    This is ridiculous imo. Are we really to the point where we have to babysit everyone? Tell them who not to listen to and who to listen to regarding this fuckin virus? “Waaahhh I don’t like what he’s saying. It’s either me or him”. He sounds like an elderly baby. 

    Interesting take, Nick.  He sounds to me more like a wise elder saying, "Fuck this guy for spreading information that is harmful to others," and then using his position as an well respected artist to make a difference- not because that is more important than his art (he has stated previously that he is a musician first before being an activist), but simply because he is in a position to do so, because he has the ability to use his visibility to do something positive.  Damn, I wish I had that opportunity.
    I respect your opinion. “It’s me or him” sounds like something a child would say. How many intelligent people were about to get vaccinated, then tuned into a podcast hosted by a ufc commentator/stand up comedian , then changed their mind? Enough to make a difference? I doubt it. Anti vaxers were around long before trump, Covid or the joe Rogan podcast. 

    I know you're telling it like you see it, Nick, but I have to disagree here because this is more than about Rogan or other being anti-vaccination. It is also about Rogan making false claims about the pandemic and unproven treatments.  The man has a huge number of fans and and many of them will fall for his lies and spread them to other people.  Joe Rogan is a bit like a virus himself, spreading harm to other people.  Neil Young has brought attention to this by his actions.  Personally, I'm grateful for that.
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,894
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    This is ridiculous imo. Are we really to the point where we have to babysit everyone? Tell them who not to listen to and who to listen to regarding this fuckin virus? “Waaahhh I don’t like what he’s saying. It’s either me or him”. He sounds like an elderly baby. 

    Interesting take, Nick.  He sounds to me more like a wise elder saying, "Fuck this guy for spreading information that is harmful to others," and then using his position as an well respected artist to make a difference- not because that is more important than his art (he has stated previously that he is a musician first before being an activist), but simply because he is in a position to do so, because he has the ability to use his visibility to do something positive.  Damn, I wish I had that opportunity.
    I respect your opinion. “It’s me or him” sounds like something a child would say. How many intelligent people were about to get vaccinated, then tuned into a podcast hosted by a ufc commentator/stand up comedian , then changed their mind? Enough to make a difference? I doubt it. Anti vaxers were around long before trump, Covid or the joe Rogan podcast. 

    I know you're telling it like you see it, Nick, but I have to disagree here because this is more than about Rogan or other being anti-vaccination. It is also about Rogan making false claims about the pandemic and unproven treatments.  The man has a huge number of fans and and many of them will fall for his lies and spread them to other people.  Joe Rogan is a bit like a virus himself, spreading harm to other people.  Neil Young has brought attention to this by his actions.  Personally, I'm grateful for that.
    I respect that Brian. I see where you’re coming from but I just can’t get there. Thanks for your thoughtful response. I wish there were more like it on AMT. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,820
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    This is ridiculous imo. Are we really to the point where we have to babysit everyone? Tell them who not to listen to and who to listen to regarding this fuckin virus? “Waaahhh I don’t like what he’s saying. It’s either me or him”. He sounds like an elderly baby. 

    Interesting take, Nick.  He sounds to me more like a wise elder saying, "Fuck this guy for spreading information that is harmful to others," and then using his position as an well respected artist to make a difference- not because that is more important than his art (he has stated previously that he is a musician first before being an activist), but simply because he is in a position to do so, because he has the ability to use his visibility to do something positive.  Damn, I wish I had that opportunity.
    I respect your opinion. “It’s me or him” sounds like something a child would say. How many intelligent people were about to get vaccinated, then tuned into a podcast hosted by a ufc commentator/stand up comedian , then changed their mind? Enough to make a difference? I doubt it. Anti vaxers were around long before trump, Covid or the joe Rogan podcast. 

    I know you're telling it like you see it, Nick, but I have to disagree here because this is more than about Rogan or other being anti-vaccination. It is also about Rogan making false claims about the pandemic and unproven treatments.  The man has a huge number of fans and and many of them will fall for his lies and spread them to other people.  Joe Rogan is a bit like a virus himself, spreading harm to other people.  Neil Young has brought attention to this by his actions.  Personally, I'm grateful for that.
    I respect that Brian. I see where you’re coming from but I just can’t get there. Thanks for your thoughtful response. I wish there were more like it on AMT. 

    It's a mine field here, that for sure, Nick!  IO appreciate your civil reply.

    I think all of us here could learn to be more thoughtful in our responses on AMT.  I know I've been guilty of knee-jerk replies. In 2016 or 2017, I actually banned myself from AMT for 6 months after saying something highly inappropriate to Trump supporters in 2016.  I was lucky to not receive a permanent ban for what I said.  I think we can all learn to be better here.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,820
    edited January 2022
    ME: Mark who?
    Regarding this guy, I would quote President Biden:  "Stupid son of a bitch."
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    ME: Mark who?
    Regarding this guy, I would quote President Biden:  "Stupid son of a bitch."
    Lmfa of…Joe war monger…
    Give Peas A Chance…
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    brianlux said:
    ME: Mark who?
    Regarding this guy, I would quote President Biden:  "Stupid son of a bitch."
    Lmfa of…Joe war monger…
    Haha. No shit.

    And those supposedly “better than that” have shown themselves as the opposite. 

    Ahh well. My little insignificant opinion.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,820
    One could say, we are but little specks, incredibly small and insignificant.   I'm glad there are a few bigger "stars" in the universe that can help bring about change for the good.  I am not one.
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    Ah yes. “Stars”.  Got it. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,820
    edited January 2022
    In quotes.  No worship, just respect.
    On to other things.  Bye!
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    brianlux said:
    In quotes.  No worship, just respect.
    On to other things.  Bye!
    Deja vu….
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,820
    Like what Einstein said, it all comes back around!
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    So Al was was into reach-arounds…interesting. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,820
    It's all in the wrist.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    ME: Mark who?
    Regarding this guy, I would quote President Biden:  "Stupid son of a bitch."
    Lmfa of…Joe war monger…
    Haha. No shit.

    And those supposedly “better than that” have shown themselves as the opposite. 

    Ahh well. My little insignificant opinion.
    Must be elections this year…hmmmm
    Give Peas A Chance…
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,192
    edited January 2022
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    This is ridiculous imo. Are we really to the point where we have to babysit everyone? Tell them who not to listen to and who to listen to regarding this fuckin virus? “Waaahhh I don’t like what he’s saying. It’s either me or him”. He sounds like an elderly baby. 

    Interesting take, Nick.  He sounds to me more like a wise elder saying, "Fuck this guy for spreading information that is harmful to others," and then using his position as an well respected artist to make a difference- not because that is more important than his art (he has stated previously that he is a musician first before being an activist), but simply because he is in a position to do so, because he has the ability to use his visibility to do something positive.  Damn, I wish I had that opportunity.
    I respect your opinion. “It’s me or him” sounds like something a child would say. How many intelligent people were about to get vaccinated, then tuned into a podcast hosted by a ufc commentator/stand up comedian , then changed their mind? Enough to make a difference? I doubt it. Anti vaxers were around long before trump, Covid or the joe Rogan podcast. 

    I know you're telling it like you see it, Nick, but I have to disagree here because this is more than about Rogan or other being anti-vaccination. It is also about Rogan making false claims about the pandemic and unproven treatments.  The man has a huge number of fans and and many of them will fall for his lies and spread them to other people.  Joe Rogan is a bit like a virus himself, spreading harm to other people.  Neil Young has brought attention to this by his actions.  Personally, I'm grateful for that.
    I respect that Brian. I see where you’re coming from but I just can’t get there. Thanks for your thoughtful response. I wish there were more like it on AMT. 
    The babysitting/child analogy is interesting, but it is Rogan acting like a child that caused an artist like Neil to do what he did. Rogan/Spotify profiting off of false information because their target audience loves it is the ultimate in dangerous childish behavior. The author of I Am a Child yelling at a grown man acting like a child is just too rich to pass up.



     

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    JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    Well I hope Neil Young will remember, a southern man don't need him around anyhow.
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,192
    edited January 2022
    Ugh.

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    Neil should debate him on the Rogan show.
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    eddieceddiec Posts: 3,842
    I don't see Young as being childish. And he's not stupid. I'm sure he realises Spotify would rather have Rogan than himself. In a sense, he's canceling himself off the platform.

    If he doesn't want to be involved with Spotify over allowing the spread of misinformation (or what he perceives to be misinformation) that's his choice, no? 

    We saw this same stuff with Facebook and Twitter, and they both acted way too late in removing content that was harmful. 
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,104
    thats capitalism isnt it?
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,938
    this is kinda silly. I mean, to take Neil seriously, I think you have to take into consideration if his demand not being met would even make a difference in his life. he's risking nearly zero if spotify calls his bluff. he makes no money off spotify. no one does. and exposure at his level is meaningless. Rogan is one of their biggest assets. he's just taking a "moral" stand without having to really back it up with anything. 
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Joe Rogan is making money off Spotify…about 100 million…so I would not say money is not being paid …
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,820
    this is kinda silly. I mean, to take Neil seriously, I think you have to take into consideration if his demand not being met would even make a difference in his life. he's risking nearly zero if spotify calls his bluff. he makes no money off spotify. no one does. and exposure at his level is meaningless. Rogan is one of their biggest assets. he's just taking a "moral" stand without having to really back it up with anything. 
    Exactly.

    BFD.  Neil knows who his fans are, and I don't blame him for not wanting to share the same platform with an idiot like Rogan. 
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,832
    It'll be interesting to see whether anyone else follows suit. Particularly a certain band that loves Uncle Neil and once cancelled a concert in North Carolina in order to be like the Boss.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    this is kinda silly. I mean, to take Neil seriously, I think you have to take into consideration if his demand not being met would even make a difference in his life. he's risking nearly zero if spotify calls his bluff. he makes no money off spotify. no one does. and exposure at his level is meaningless. Rogan is one of their biggest assets. he's just taking a "moral" stand without having to really back it up with anything. 
    Exactly.

    BFD.  Neil knows who his fans are, and I don't blame him for not wanting to share the same platform with an idiot like Rogan. 
    It’s amusing to me…that’s all.

    im not a big Young fan anyways.  I’ve watched a few Rogan episodes.  I’ve yet to see him say anything over the top.  I will say this, the dude smokes a lot of Cannabis and seems more curious about stuff than anything at times…so maybe getting lit and hosting a podcast is not good idea…I’ve softened a little on Rogan…but as others say It depends on the guest…


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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,961
    this is kinda silly. I mean, to take Neil seriously, I think you have to take into consideration if his demand not being met would even make a difference in his life. he's risking nearly zero if spotify calls his bluff. he makes no money off spotify. no one does. and exposure at his level is meaningless. Rogan is one of their biggest assets. he's just taking a "moral" stand without having to really back it up with anything. 
    I'd say if he has little to lose, and the potential to start a trend (i.e. other artists following suit) for positive reasons - why not? 

    I've seen stranger things 'go viral'. 
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