Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
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    static111 said:
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    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    pjl44 said:
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    The only thing I read from the Sleepy Woke Joe naysayers are is that “he’s creepy,” “his mental acuity is in decline,” and “if you vote for him and disagree, you’re attacked.” All without any evidence despite 30 years of YouTube videos (Yea, I’ve seen the “creepy” behavior) or discussion of his policies. The interviews I’ve seen of Sleepy Woke Joe, he comes across as intelligent, well spoken in his way, informed, knowledgeable and expressing empathy for those less fortunate. But you know, he’s not as sharp as he was when he was 30. The guy knows how the levers of power work without running roughshod over the constitution.
    No evidence of creepiness you say?

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/yfmksi/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-audacity-of-grope
    Re-read my post, particularly the part in parenthesis. Sorry, in advance, for attacking you.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Also, "I'm not attacking anyone, I'm just explaining that their concerns are petty and need to be smothered out" is


    Sorry again about your libertarian sensibilities.  I'll try not to disagree with you in the future.  Just don't post things that I won't like.  Pretty easy equation. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech.  Or not allowing the comment at all.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Libel laws apply to news organizations today.  Section 230 can be modified to increase the accountability to libelous information, particularly from public officials. There's also a difference between a lawful modification legislated and signed vs the threatened EO.  This is a petty difference to you?   And you decided to pick the point, not me.  I was pointing out where Trump was insane IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.  
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech.  Or not allowing the comment at all.
    A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    The only thing I read from the Sleepy Woke Joe naysayers are is that “he’s creepy,” “his mental acuity is in decline,” and “if you vote for him and disagree, you’re attacked.” All without any evidence despite 30 years of YouTube videos (Yea, I’ve seen the “creepy” behavior) or discussion of his policies. The interviews I’ve seen of Sleepy Woke Joe, he comes across as intelligent, well spoken in his way, informed, knowledgeable and expressing empathy for those less fortunate. But you know, he’s not as sharp as he was when he was 30. The guy knows how the levers of power work without running roughshod over the constitution.
    No evidence of creepiness you say?

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/yfmksi/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-audacity-of-grope
    Re-read my post, particularly the part in parenthesis. Sorry, in advance, for attacking you.

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech.  Or not allowing the comment at all.
    A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
    Why do you think that websites should be exempt from libel laws?  
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Libel laws apply to news organizations today.  Section 230 can be modified to increase the accountability to libelous information, particularly from public officials. There's also a difference between a lawful modification legislated and signed vs the threatened EO.  This is a petty difference to you?   And you decided to pick the point, not me.  I was pointing out where Trump was insane IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.  
    A website cannot and should not be held liable for something a user posts, regardless of who posts it. That is an impossible level of exposure given the sheer volume of activity some sites see. If you don't like how a site moderates content, don't use it.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
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    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech.  Or not allowing the comment at all.
    A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
    Why do you think that websites should be exempt from libel laws?  
    Because they're not making the statement. If a NY Times employee makes a libelous comment in a piece they wrote, they're on the hook. If someone in the comment section of that article makes a libelous comment, it's insane for the Times to be on the hook.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
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    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Libel laws apply to news organizations today.  Section 230 can be modified to increase the accountability to libelous information, particularly from public officials. There's also a difference between a lawful modification legislated and signed vs the threatened EO.  This is a petty difference to you?   And you decided to pick the point, not me.  I was pointing out where Trump was insane IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.  
    A website cannot and should not be held liable for something a user posts, regardless of who posts it. That is an impossible level of exposure given the sheer volume of activity some sites see. If you don't like how a site moderates content, don't use it.
    If you don't like what a newspaper prints, don't read it.  It's the same argument and that argument doesn't fly today.  

    Second, a law can be crafted that doesn't have a zero tolerance, rather certain platforms that have X reach (users, revenue, whatever opt in) can be required to have oversight on their users and a regulatory board can evaluate the efficacy of that regulation.  It's no different than SOX laws, OCC requirements, CFPB, etc.  Sorry, there are too many examples of regulation on organizations just as large so your argument doesn't pass the sniff test.  The gov't doesn't require zero defects, it requires a framework for management, a process, reporting, etc.  

    And this would constructed using laws, not EO's...again.  

  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech.  Or not allowing the comment at all.
    A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
    so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech?  You lost me
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
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    mrussel1 said:
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    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech.  Or not allowing the comment at all.
    A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
    so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech?  You lost me
    He's arguing that Biden wants the same as Trump, which is true if laws, details and penalties mean nothing to you.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
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    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Libel laws apply to news organizations today.  Section 230 can be modified to increase the accountability to libelous information, particularly from public officials. There's also a difference between a lawful modification legislated and signed vs the threatened EO.  This is a petty difference to you?   And you decided to pick the point, not me.  I was pointing out where Trump was insane IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.  
    A website cannot and should not be held liable for something a user posts, regardless of who posts it. That is an impossible level of exposure given the sheer volume of activity some sites see. If you don't like how a site moderates content, don't use it.
    If you don't like what a newspaper prints, don't read it.  It's the same argument and that argument doesn't fly today.  

    Second, a law can be crafted that doesn't have a zero tolerance, rather certain platforms that have X reach (users, revenue, whatever opt in) can be required to have oversight on their users and a regulatory board can evaluate the efficacy of that regulation.  It's no different than SOX laws, OCC requirements, CFPB, etc.  Sorry, there are too many examples of regulation on organizations just as large so your argument doesn't pass the sniff test.  The gov't doesn't require zero defects, it requires a framework for management, a process, reporting, etc.  

    And this would constructed using laws, not EO's...again.  

    There's a metric ton of subjectivity involved in your second paragraph and I can guarantee that you will not enjoy how that's wielded by Republican appointees conducting said regulatory oversight
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
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    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech.  Or not allowing the comment at all.
    A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
    so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech?  You lost me
    Mandatory (government-required) fact checks. If a website wants to offer fact checks on posts, they should absolutely do that. If they don't want to bother, they should be able to do that, too.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    Biden
    Clearly we need action on the 25th amendment. There's a president lunatic in the White House.





    Falling down,...not staying down
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech.  Or not allowing the comment at all.
    A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
    so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech?  You lost me
    He's arguing that Biden wants the same as Trump, which is true if laws, details and penalties mean nothing to you.
    Different avenues but they both want government oversight in ways that suit them. Just because a piece of legislation is passed appropriately vs. inappropriately doesn't make the intent better. See: Patriot Act.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    There's always that hand-wave of "well, experts will oversee this and obviously make good decisions." Lol...wanna bet?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
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    mrussel1 said:
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjhawks said:
    Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket.  I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything.  Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either.  I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
    He's fine...tRump looks horrible.  He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
    don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good.  It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
    People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
    It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
    It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
    Attacked?  Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked?  I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making.  The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe.  If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments.  Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.  
    Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.


    Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you.  Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check.  That's not eliminating free speech.  Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
    Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
    Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech.  Or not allowing the comment at all.
    A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
    so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech?  You lost me
    Mandatory (government-required) fact checks. If a website wants to offer fact checks on posts, they should absolutely do that. If they don't want to bother, they should be able to do that, too.
    That's a fine opinion, but don't act like 1. It's not possible to do 2. Large platforms should be exempt from libel whereas newspapers should not and 3. Threatened EOs by Trump is the same as a thoughtful argument on section 230 on how to restructure laws using the legislative process.  

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