Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. We need all the help we can get and we'll worry about the neocons later. We need to get rid of Team Trump Treason and his goon squads NOW.

    One night in 1984, when Heath Eiden was sixteen, he found himself at the Hotel Meridien in San Francisco, in the campaign suite of Walter Mondale. This was during the Democratic National Convention. Consultants and congressmen milled around, wreathed in cigar smoke. Eiden, then a high-school junior from Minneapolis, was there with Mondale’s son Ted, as a volunteer. He was next to Mondale when the candidate took a call from Lane Kirkland, the head of the A.F.L.-C.I.O. (“You got it, Fritz”), and then announced to the room that he’d won enough delegates to secure the nomination. Eiden was bewitched. “The spirit left the road and jumped up into me,” he recalled. “Fritz Mondale, the last honest politician: he actually said, ‘Yeah, I’m going to raise your taxes.’ ”

    After Reagan beat Mondale that year in a landslide (Mondale won just one state: Minnesota), Eiden, an early adept with his school’s Sony Betacam 1800, got the first on-camera interview with the loser. (It led to his short film, “Triumph Over Tragedy: The Humphrey-Mondale Tradition,” which is archived at the Minnesota Historical Society.) Eiden had TV-news aspirations, but before long disillusionment over sensationalism and dishonesty in the media soured him on it all. His last-ditch attempt was a documentary, in 2004, of another doomed White House bid, called “Dean and Me: Lessons from an American Primary,” which failed to change the world or to make him rich.

    A couple of weeks ago, Eiden, who now lives in Stowe, Vermont, and works as a video producer, got a call from Stuart Stevens, the political consultant, who also has a house in Stowe. Stevens has advised five Republican Presidential candidates, including George W. Bush and Mitt Romney, but has recently abandoned the Party, in the belief that it has abandoned him. (His eighth book, to be published next month, is called “It Was All a Lie: How the Republican Party Became Donald Trump.” Last week, he said, “The Party always had a dark side. We thought it was a recessive gene, but it turned out to be the dominant gene. I feel like a sucker.”)

    Stevens was calling on behalf of the Lincoln Project, the confederation of G.O.P. apostates who, appalled by Trump, had formed a political-action committee to defeat him. The Lincoln Project had been producing sharply negative TV ads about Trump, which have run mostly in Washington, D.C., mainly to needle their subject, but which, because of their sass and their source, almost always go viral on social media.

    Stevens wanted Eiden to shoot the Lincoln Project’s new spot. This one would feature an emergency-room doctor down the road, in South Burlington, named Dan Barkhuff, a former Navy Seal and a graduate of the Naval Academy and of Harvard

    Medical School, who had started an organization called Veterans for Responsible Leadership. The occasion was the news that the President had ignored intelligence reports that a Russian military unit had been paying bounties to the Taliban for the killing of American soldiers in Afghanistan.

    Eiden was torn. On the one hand, work was scarce during the pandemic, and, of course, he abhorred Trump and had been frustrated by the Democrats’ failure to hit back. But, as a dyed-in-the-down Minnesota liberal, he had misgivings about working with what he called “the dark side”—some of the Republican operatives who, by way of rough tactics, had engineered the demise of so many of his favored candidates through the years. Ultimately, though, the enemy-of-my-enemy principle pertained.

    The previous week, he’d driven to Minneapolis with his teen-age son, to pay their respects (and shoot some footage) at the memorial for George Floyd. That experience, plus a few days in the suburbs among Covid truthers, and an encounter with a waiter making an “I can’t breathe” joke, had only quickened his revulsion. “If it takes working with Republicans to get this fucker out of the White House, fine,” he said.

    “What kind of style do you want?” Eiden asked Stevens.

    “Think Swift Boat,” Stevens replied.

    “I knew exactly what I’d found myself in the middle of,” Eiden recalled.

    Eiden and Barkhuff met up at Stevens’s house. The Lincoln Project had sent a script, by a screenwriter of the HBO series “Band of Brothers,” but Barkhuff ditched it for one of his own. Identifying himself as “a pro-life gun-owning combat veteran,” he said into the camera, “Any Commander-in-Chief with a spine would be stomping the shit out of some Russians right now, diplomatically, economically, or, if necessary, with the sort of asymmetric warfare they’re using to send our kids home in body bags. Mr. Trump, you’re either a coward who can’t stand up to an ex-K.G.B. goon or you’re complicit. Which is it?”

    Afterward, Eiden went home and uploaded the footage. An editor named Joey, in Denver, put it together overnight. The following afternoon, Stevens noted that the spot, called “Betrayed,” had been viewed online more than six million times. To what end, time will tell. ♦

    Published in the print edition of the July 20, 2020, issue, with the headline “Right Place, Right Time.”

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/is-working-with-the-lincoln-project-sleeping-with-the-enemy

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,303
    Biden
    Weird shit going down today....AOC getting attacked, Cheney getting attacked by GOP, etc.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden
    Weird shit going down today....AOC getting attacked, Cheney getting attacked by GOP, etc.
    Are they really attacking Darth Cheney for not being evil enough?
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059
    static111 said:
    Weird shit going down today....AOC getting attacked, Cheney getting attacked by GOP, etc.
    Are they really attacking Darth Cheney for not being evil enough?
    Lizzy. Not Darth. Apparently 97% isn’t good enough. You have to goose step along, yo. “Freedom” Caucus, what a joke. Has anyone asked them how they feel about goon squads snatching people off the street? “Freedom” Caucus my ass.

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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    edited July 2020
    Biden
    One of the better Republican Voters Against Trump testimonials. This guy quit the GOP sometime during the Obama administration when he decided the GOP was going downhill.....with Trump ending up the appropriate microcosm of the decline...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2HhUAdgaE
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    One of the better Republican Voters Against Trump testimonials. This guy quit the GOP sometime during the Obama administration when he decided the GOP was going downhill.....with Trump ending up the appropriate microcosm of the decline...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2HhUAdgaE
    He sounds like an older version of me.


    And yeah, good effort with the Seinfeld thing. Seems like a copyright infringement though? 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    Biden
    One of the better Republican Voters Against Trump testimonials. This guy quit the GOP sometime during the Obama administration when he decided the GOP was going downhill.....with Trump ending up the appropriate microcosm of the decline...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2HhUAdgaE
    He sounds like an older version of me.


    And yeah, good effort with the Seinfeld thing. Seems like a copyright infringement though? 
    I don't think is so because it's not the same music. it's just a generic rip-off version. Really, I think they just wanted to put a laugh-track over Trump and felt that while they're at it, might as well just throw in some knock-off Seinfeld music. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,639
    One of the better Republican Voters Against Trump testimonials. This guy quit the GOP sometime during the Obama administration when he decided the GOP was going downhill.....with Trump ending up the appropriate microcosm of the decline...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2HhUAdgaE


    Debased,  like the Pixies?

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059
    Team Trump Treason just can't shake The Ukraine. I mean really? No real deal US of A lawlessness and chaos to highlight and claim how out of control things are? No CHOP/CHAZ or Portland or DC footage available? Ruddy Ghouliani still on the payroll? Sheesh.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-chaos-violence-ad-ukraine-protest_n_5f184c66c5b6296fbf3c473f

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,303
    Biden

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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,303
    Biden
    Current "No Toss Up" map on RealClearPolitics based on current polling
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059

    166 is difficult to overcome but me thinks Flo Rida and Ohio go red. And a lot can change between now and Election Day. Like a PTAPE being released and/or Ghislaine Maxwell’s insurance policy is made known.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,303
    Biden
    A lot can happen for sure.  My MIL lives in OH...she voted tRump in 2016 but I don't think she will vote for him again in 2020.

    She is 80 and is pretty annoyed at how tRump and Pence have not pushed mask wearing.
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    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059
    A lot can happen for sure.  My MIL lives in OH...she voted tRump in 2016 but I don't think she will vote for him again in 2020.

    She is 80 and is pretty annoyed at how tRump and Pence have not pushed mask wearing.
    I keep hearing this but I’m afraid of the voter suppression and messing with the ballots. Flo Rida and Ohio have a history of doing such and they’ve become good at it. CHAOS.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    Biden
    It really comes down to whether or not the loss of trust in Trump is redeemable or irredeemable.  If 53% of the public does not trust Trump as a leader based on his insane behavior these last months, he can't win.  I use 53% because I think that's large enough to overcome EC nuances. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    There will be a segment of the voting public who will be persuaded by the new sedated Trump in this briefings. I'm sure it will only last for another couple days or so though.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,303
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,303
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    Biden
    Fake news.  Trump will win every state but DE and maybe DC. 
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
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    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Fake news.  Trump will win every state but DE and maybe DC. 
    @mrussel1 Have you seen the Ted Cruz spot warning about the coming blue wave of socialism and american destruction? These people only know one trick, stoking imagined fear. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    Biden
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Fake news.  Trump will win every state but DE and maybe DC. 
    @mrussel1 Have you seen the Ted Cruz spot warning about the coming blue wave of socialism and american destruction? These people only know one trick, stoking imagined fear. 
    I haven't, but yes that's always the gig.  But I was watching the Indians game,  the Ohio broadcast.  And there was a pro Trump ad and it was all Pence.  They actually never said Trump once and only showed him briefly signing a trade deal with Trudeau.  This tells you how low he is polling personally,  where the whole ad is Pence.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,146
    Biden
    Here’s the difference-maker.  Biden was part of a very corrupt administration.  Expect something akin to Comey opening up an investigation on Hillary in late October.

    The Democrats are so corrupt...and so inept.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    Here’s the difference-maker.  Biden was part of a very corrupt administration.  Expect something akin to Comey opening up an investigation on Hillary in late October.

    The Democrats are so corrupt...and so inept.
    We know what it’s going to be already. The Durham thing. 


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,624
    Biden
    99 DAYS........
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    Nate Silver keeps teasing their forecast model. Looking forward to that coming out soon. I'm assuming it will give Trump better odds than most of the others as it did four years ago. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,303
    Biden
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Fake news.  Trump will win every state but DE and maybe DC. 
    @mrussel1 Have you seen the Ted Cruz spot warning about the coming blue wave of socialism and american destruction? These people only know one trick, stoking imagined fear. 
    I love the ads that show violence and suggest this will be America under Biden....yet the violence is going on right now
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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