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  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,435
    edited July 2020
    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/07/12/joe-biden-builds-lead-over-donald-trump-in-reliably-red-texas-as-voters-sour-on-handling-of-virus/

    Former Vice President Joe Biden has built a five-point lead over President Donald Trump in Texas as unease over Trump’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic mounts, a new Dallas Morning News/University of Texas at Tyler poll has found.

    Biden had 46% support to Trump’s 41%. If the general election were held today, the outcome could depend on the 14% of voters who were undecided or named someone else.

    Biden’s lead, which comes after he and Trump were tied 43%-43% in The News and UT-Tyler’s April survey, is significant, if barely: The poll, conducted June 29 through July 7, has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.24 percentage points.

    The story behind Biden’s slight bulge is the softening of the Republican incumbent’s support among independents and “weak partisans,” said Kenneth Bryant Jr., a UT-Tyler political scientist who helped design the poll.

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    Biden
    PJNB said:
    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/07/12/joe-biden-builds-lead-over-donald-trump-in-reliably-red-texas-as-voters-sour-on-handling-of-virus/

    Former Vice President Joe Biden has built a five-point lead over President Donald Trump in Texas as unease over Trump’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic mounts, a new Dallas Morning News/University of Texas at Tyler poll has found.

    Biden had 46% support to Trump’s 41%. If the general election were held today, the outcome could depend on the 14% of voters who were undecided or named someone else.

    Biden’s lead, which comes after he and Trump were tied 43%-43% in The News and UT-Tyler’s April survey, is significant, if barely: The poll, conducted June 29 through July 7, has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.24 percentage points.

    The story behind Biden’s slight bulge is the softening of the Republican incumbent’s support among independents and “weak partisans,” said Kenneth Bryant Jr., a UT-Tyler political scientist who helped design the poll.

    I could do without references to Biden’s “slight bulge”
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,299
    Biden
    I can't believe all the "Biden is a pedophile" shit I am seeing on tiktok, etc.  People are fucking insane.
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  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,435
    I can't believe all the "Biden is a pedophile" shit I am seeing on tiktok, etc.  People are fucking insane.
    They are getting desperate with the numbers rolling in. It is only going to get worse sadly. 
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,770
    Biden
    I can't believe all the "Biden is a pedophile" shit I am seeing on tiktok, etc.  People are fucking insane.
    Isnt Tiktok a chinese government site for teenagers?
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,144
    Biden
    I can't believe all the "Biden is a pedophile" shit I am seeing on tiktok, etc.  People are fucking insane.
    One of the best ways to troll Biden is on his creepiness.  But you’d think that would be nullified by Trump’s Miss Teen USA shenanigans.  Not to mention his crush on Ivanka.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,299
    Biden
    I can't believe all the "Biden is a pedophile" shit I am seeing on tiktok, etc.  People are fucking insane.
    Isnt Tiktok a chinese government site for teenagers?
    It's actually pretty entertaining but as it has grown in popularity it has been taken over with political shit.  Trump supporters seem to have the slight edge but there is a lot of Biden support on there as well.
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  • VitalogensiaVitalogensia Posts: 1,995
    Biden
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    Biden
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    Biden
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Biden
    It's easy to talk about Democrats fucking this up - and I do understand the concern - but the fact remains, no matter what the polls say right now, 63 million Republican voters are more likely to come home and vote for the GOP nominee than they are to do anything else. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,058
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    edited July 2020
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
    Well my prediction leans more on Trump himself than the Texas changing. Though I agree that both are a factor. Beto's narrow defeat to Cruz being a good indicator. So we have...

    -A changing Texas as you pointed out.

    -Trump only beat Hillary 52% to 43% in 2016. Romney beat Obama in 2012 57% to 41%. 

    -Residual distain for Trump for his disrespect towards the Bush family (even Barbara).

    -The virus is getting out-of-control down there. 

    -I don't think they're fooled by Trump down there. They gave him a chance in 2016 because he was the Republican, but as a great Texas once said.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Well you know what he's trying to say!
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    Biden
    I'll never tire of that video
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    Discrediting Fauci and retweeting Chuck Woolery can't be good for business. Can't be good for anything, really...


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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,144
    Biden
    Discrediting Fauci and retweeting Chuck Woolery can't be good for business. Can't be good for anything, really...


    Very subtle Seinfeld reference?
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    Discrediting Fauci and retweeting Chuck Woolery can't be good for business. Can't be good for anything, really...


    Very subtle Seinfeld reference?
    But of course!
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,299
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
    Well my prediction leans more on Trump himself than the Texas changing. Though I agree that both are a factor. Beto's narrow defeat to Cruz being a good indicator. So we have...

    -A changing Texas as you pointed out.

    -Trump only beat Hillary 52% to 43% in 2016. Romney beat Obama in 2012 57% to 41%. 

    -Residual distain for Trump for his disrespect towards the Bush family (even Barbara).

    -The virus is getting out-of-control down there. 

    -I don't think they're fooled by Trump down there. They gave him a chance in 2016 because he was the Republican, but as a great Texas once said.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Well you know what he's trying to say!
    I didn't realize the tRump/Clinton spread was only 9%....If Biden wins FL it will be an early night.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
    Well my prediction leans more on Trump himself than the Texas changing. Though I agree that both are a factor. Beto's narrow defeat to Cruz being a good indicator. So we have...

    -A changing Texas as you pointed out.

    -Trump only beat Hillary 52% to 43% in 2016. Romney beat Obama in 2012 57% to 41%. 

    -Residual distain for Trump for his disrespect towards the Bush family (even Barbara).

    -The virus is getting out-of-control down there. 

    -I don't think they're fooled by Trump down there. They gave him a chance in 2016 because he was the Republican, but as a great Texas once said.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Well you know what he's trying to say!
    I didn't realize the tRump/Clinton spread was only 9%....If Biden wins FL it will be an early night.
    I don't think so. I don't think we're gonna know who wins for a few days with so many people trying to vote by mail...

    I think that's gonna be a brutal day/week
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,475
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
    Well my prediction leans more on Trump himself than the Texas changing. Though I agree that both are a factor. Beto's narrow defeat to Cruz being a good indicator. So we have...

    -A changing Texas as you pointed out.

    -Trump only beat Hillary 52% to 43% in 2016. Romney beat Obama in 2012 57% to 41%. 

    -Residual distain for Trump for his disrespect towards the Bush family (even Barbara).

    -The virus is getting out-of-control down there. 

    -I don't think they're fooled by Trump down there. They gave him a chance in 2016 because he was the Republican, but as a great Texas once said.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Well you know what he's trying to say!
    I didn't realize the tRump/Clinton spread was only 9%....If Biden wins FL it will be an early night.
    I don't think so. I don't think we're gonna know who wins for a few days with so many people trying to vote by mail...

    I think that's gonna be a brutal day/week
    Yeah, it's going to take forever. Plenty of time for everyone to get paranoid.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
    Well my prediction leans more on Trump himself than the Texas changing. Though I agree that both are a factor. Beto's narrow defeat to Cruz being a good indicator. So we have...

    -A changing Texas as you pointed out.

    -Trump only beat Hillary 52% to 43% in 2016. Romney beat Obama in 2012 57% to 41%. 

    -Residual distain for Trump for his disrespect towards the Bush family (even Barbara).

    -The virus is getting out-of-control down there. 

    -I don't think they're fooled by Trump down there. They gave him a chance in 2016 because he was the Republican, but as a great Texas once said.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Well you know what he's trying to say!
    I didn't realize the tRump/Clinton spread was only 9%....If Biden wins FL it will be an early night.
    I don't think so. I don't think we're gonna know who wins for a few days with so many people trying to vote by mail...

    I think that's gonna be a brutal day/week
    Yeah, it's going to take forever. Plenty of time for everyone to get paranoid.
    I am dreading that it will feel like that election day in House of Cards
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,475
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
    Well my prediction leans more on Trump himself than the Texas changing. Though I agree that both are a factor. Beto's narrow defeat to Cruz being a good indicator. So we have...

    -A changing Texas as you pointed out.

    -Trump only beat Hillary 52% to 43% in 2016. Romney beat Obama in 2012 57% to 41%. 

    -Residual distain for Trump for his disrespect towards the Bush family (even Barbara).

    -The virus is getting out-of-control down there. 

    -I don't think they're fooled by Trump down there. They gave him a chance in 2016 because he was the Republican, but as a great Texas once said.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Well you know what he's trying to say!
    I didn't realize the tRump/Clinton spread was only 9%....If Biden wins FL it will be an early night.
    I don't think so. I don't think we're gonna know who wins for a few days with so many people trying to vote by mail...

    I think that's gonna be a brutal day/week
    Yeah, it's going to take forever. Plenty of time for everyone to get paranoid.
    I am dreading that it will feel like that election day in House of Cards
    You'll have to remind me. I think I saw the first 4(?) seasons. It's crazy how little I remember about that show.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
    Well my prediction leans more on Trump himself than the Texas changing. Though I agree that both are a factor. Beto's narrow defeat to Cruz being a good indicator. So we have...

    -A changing Texas as you pointed out.

    -Trump only beat Hillary 52% to 43% in 2016. Romney beat Obama in 2012 57% to 41%. 

    -Residual distain for Trump for his disrespect towards the Bush family (even Barbara).

    -The virus is getting out-of-control down there. 

    -I don't think they're fooled by Trump down there. They gave him a chance in 2016 because he was the Republican, but as a great Texas once said.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Well you know what he's trying to say!
    I didn't realize the tRump/Clinton spread was only 9%....If Biden wins FL it will be an early night.
    I don't think so. I don't think we're gonna know who wins for a few days with so many people trying to vote by mail...

    I think that's gonna be a brutal day/week
    Yeah, it's going to take forever. Plenty of time for everyone to get paranoid.
    I am dreading that it will feel like that election day in House of Cards
    You'll have to remind me. I think I saw the first 4(?) seasons. It's crazy how little I remember about that show.
    My memory is foggy too, because that season was mostly garbage .
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
    Well my prediction leans more on Trump himself than the Texas changing. Though I agree that both are a factor. Beto's narrow defeat to Cruz being a good indicator. So we have...

    -A changing Texas as you pointed out.

    -Trump only beat Hillary 52% to 43% in 2016. Romney beat Obama in 2012 57% to 41%. 

    -Residual distain for Trump for his disrespect towards the Bush family (even Barbara).

    -The virus is getting out-of-control down there. 

    -I don't think they're fooled by Trump down there. They gave him a chance in 2016 because he was the Republican, but as a great Texas once said.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Well you know what he's trying to say!
    I didn't realize the tRump/Clinton spread was only 9%....
    And that’s with Hillary being as loathsome a Democrat you can put on a ballot in Texas, coupled with the “unknown” of what a Trump presidency would be. Now, with a more likable Biden on the ballot, and four years of “President” Trump, Texas is ready to flip. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,475
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
    Well my prediction leans more on Trump himself than the Texas changing. Though I agree that both are a factor. Beto's narrow defeat to Cruz being a good indicator. So we have...

    -A changing Texas as you pointed out.

    -Trump only beat Hillary 52% to 43% in 2016. Romney beat Obama in 2012 57% to 41%. 

    -Residual distain for Trump for his disrespect towards the Bush family (even Barbara).

    -The virus is getting out-of-control down there. 

    -I don't think they're fooled by Trump down there. They gave him a chance in 2016 because he was the Republican, but as a great Texas once said.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Well you know what he's trying to say!
    I didn't realize the tRump/Clinton spread was only 9%....If Biden wins FL it will be an early night.
    I don't think so. I don't think we're gonna know who wins for a few days with so many people trying to vote by mail...

    I think that's gonna be a brutal day/week
    Yeah, it's going to take forever. Plenty of time for everyone to get paranoid.
    I am dreading that it will feel like that election day in House of Cards
    You'll have to remind me. I think I saw the first 4(?) seasons. It's crazy how little I remember about that show.
    My memory is foggy too, because that season was mostly garbage .
    https://www.vulture.com/2017/06/house-of-cards-2016-election-explained.html
    Holy cow...I'm glad I bailed. Yeah, at a bare minimum I think it's probably gonna take at least a week to count all the mail-in votes. The only way we might have a decision early is a Biden landslide. No matter who loses, I expect that they and their surrogates will carry on that it has been stolen. It's gonna be soul-crushing and (at much lower stakes) this place will be insufferable. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
    Well my prediction leans more on Trump himself than the Texas changing. Though I agree that both are a factor. Beto's narrow defeat to Cruz being a good indicator. So we have...

    -A changing Texas as you pointed out.

    -Trump only beat Hillary 52% to 43% in 2016. Romney beat Obama in 2012 57% to 41%. 

    -Residual distain for Trump for his disrespect towards the Bush family (even Barbara).

    -The virus is getting out-of-control down there. 

    -I don't think they're fooled by Trump down there. They gave him a chance in 2016 because he was the Republican, but as a great Texas once said.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Well you know what he's trying to say!
    I didn't realize the tRump/Clinton spread was only 9%....If Biden wins FL it will be an early night.
    I don't think so. I don't think we're gonna know who wins for a few days with so many people trying to vote by mail...

    I think that's gonna be a brutal day/week
    Yeah, it's going to take forever. Plenty of time for everyone to get paranoid.
    I am dreading that it will feel like that election day in House of Cards
    You'll have to remind me. I think I saw the first 4(?) seasons. It's crazy how little I remember about that show.
    My memory is foggy too, because that season was mostly garbage .
    https://www.vulture.com/2017/06/house-of-cards-2016-election-explained.html
    Holy cow...I'm glad I bailed. Yeah, at a bare minimum I think it's probably gonna take at least a week to count all the mail-in votes. The only way we might have a decision early is a Biden landslide. No matter who loses, I expect that they and their surrogates will carry on that it has been stolen. It's gonna be soul-crushing and (at much lower stakes) this place will be insufferable. 
    It’s a weird feeling. I’m simultaneously super anxiously looking forward and dreading it at the same time. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,475
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Before COVID, I was sure Trump would win reelection, handily.  Now I'm not sure.  Reports look great and all, but it's hard for me to believe a country that would elect Trump to begin with could straighten up so quickly.  I'd really like to believe that Trump will lose, but I have a hard time not believing that Biden/Democrats won't fuck this up.  
    I think a horrible VP pick and/or bombing on the debate stage (like bad, to the point where he comes off as senile) are the only ways Biden can fuck this up. For an incumbent to have the numbers that Trump has is pretty telling. And as I've been saying since before the new year, I think Biden wins Texas. 
    You have been preaching Texas since the beginning.  If you're right,  I'm definitely sending you a bootleg or something as a congratulations for an excellent prediction. 
    Looking pretty good right now. And I can't fathom how Trump can improve, especially with Covid getting worse down there....


    Yeah I know,  and I know the state is changing,  but it feels like Arizona to me,  a state where we think we can win every cycle but come up short. I do think we win Arizona,  but also think we're still a cycle or two from Texas.  I hope you're right. 
    Well my prediction leans more on Trump himself than the Texas changing. Though I agree that both are a factor. Beto's narrow defeat to Cruz being a good indicator. So we have...

    -A changing Texas as you pointed out.

    -Trump only beat Hillary 52% to 43% in 2016. Romney beat Obama in 2012 57% to 41%. 

    -Residual distain for Trump for his disrespect towards the Bush family (even Barbara).

    -The virus is getting out-of-control down there. 

    -I don't think they're fooled by Trump down there. They gave him a chance in 2016 because he was the Republican, but as a great Texas once said.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Well you know what he's trying to say!
    I didn't realize the tRump/Clinton spread was only 9%....If Biden wins FL it will be an early night.
    I don't think so. I don't think we're gonna know who wins for a few days with so many people trying to vote by mail...

    I think that's gonna be a brutal day/week
    Yeah, it's going to take forever. Plenty of time for everyone to get paranoid.
    I am dreading that it will feel like that election day in House of Cards
    You'll have to remind me. I think I saw the first 4(?) seasons. It's crazy how little I remember about that show.
    My memory is foggy too, because that season was mostly garbage .
    https://www.vulture.com/2017/06/house-of-cards-2016-election-explained.html
    Holy cow...I'm glad I bailed. Yeah, at a bare minimum I think it's probably gonna take at least a week to count all the mail-in votes. The only way we might have a decision early is a Biden landslide. No matter who loses, I expect that they and their surrogates will carry on that it has been stolen. It's gonna be soul-crushing and (at much lower stakes) this place will be insufferable. 
    It’s a weird feeling. I’m simultaneously super anxiously looking forward and dreading it at the same time. 
    I'm more the latter. I'd love to be wrong but I don't see a scenario where the loser graciously accepts defeat. I don't think there's going to be a coup or anything but I think a significant portion of the country is going to believe it was stolen regardless of who wins.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,475
    I'm sitting this one out
    Aggressively polarized electorate + Unfamiliar voting process + General lack of competence at state and local election boards = Hold on to your hats
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