@j1kotwic How do you feel about Trump tweeting his white power supporters this morning?
I do not think Trump is a white supremacist. I think white supremacists are about 0.0001% of the population. This is just crap clogging up the internet. White supremacists have no place in today's society and they've been weeded out. Stop trying to act like they have a voice.
How can you say that white supremacists have no voice when the President of the United States retweets a video of one of his supporters shouting "white power"?? Seriously?
@j1kotwic How do you feel about Trump tweeting his white power supporters this morning?
I do not think Trump is a white supremacist. I think white supremacists are about 0.0001% of the population. This is just crap clogging up the internet. White supremacists have no place in today's society and they've been weeded out. Stop trying to act like they have a voice.
How can you say that white supremacists have no voice when the President of the United States retweets a video of one of his supporters shouting "white power"?? Seriously?
That's some next-level cognitive dissonance...
The Team Trump Treason Administration is full of white nationalists.
@j1kotwic How do you feel about Trump tweeting his white power supporters this morning?
I do not think Trump is a white supremacist. I think white supremacists are about 0.0001% of the population. This is just crap clogging up the internet. White supremacists have no place in today's society and they've been weeded out. Stop trying to act like they have a voice.
How can you say that white supremacists have no voice when the President of the United States retweets a video of one of his supporters shouting "white power"?? Seriously?
That's some next-level cognitive dissonance...
The Team Trump Treason Administration is full of white nationalists.
Maybe this will make @j1kotwic think longer and harder about his vote this time around...
@j1kotwic How do you feel about Trump tweeting his white power supporters this morning?
I do not think Trump is a white supremacist. I think white supremacists are about 0.0001% of the population. This is just crap clogging up the internet. White supremacists have no place in today's society and they've been weeded out. Stop trying to act like they have a voice.
How can you say that white supremacists have no voice when the President of the United States retweets a video of one of his supporters shouting "white power"?? Seriously?
That's some next-level cognitive dissonance...
The Team Trump Treason Administration is full of white nationalists.
Maybe this will make @j1kotwic think longer and harder about his vote this time around...
@j1kotwic How do you feel about Trump tweeting his white power supporters this morning?
I do not think Trump is a white supremacist. I think white supremacists are about 0.0001% of the population. This is just crap clogging up the internet. White supremacists have no place in today's society and they've been weeded out. Stop trying to act like they have a voice.
How can you say that white supremacists have no voice when the President of the United States retweets a video of one of his supporters shouting "white power"?? Seriously?
That's some next-level cognitive dissonance...
It doesn’t matter if the White Supremacists make up 0.000000000000000000000001%. Trumpster Fire has never denounced this group of haters and continues to poignantly tweet defense of the Confederate Flag and tries to shame Bubba Wallace. Etc. Etc. Etc. If it talks like a duck...
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that's good....although it likely won't budge the chud maga crowd it lets the center leaning independents feel like they are in good company voting for Biden
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that's good....although it likely won't budge the chud maga crowd it lets the center leaning independents feel like they are in good company voting for Biden
Make the Democratic Party Republican again? As if we haven’t moved far enough to the right since Jimmy Carter...
that's good....although it likely won't budge the chud maga crowd it lets the center leaning independents feel like they are in good company voting for Biden
Make the Democratic Party Republican again? As if we haven’t moved far enough to the right since Jimmy Carter...
No...just be rational and non-narcissistic
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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that's good....although it likely won't budge the chud maga crowd it lets the center leaning independents feel like they are in good company voting for Biden
Make the Democratic Party Republican again? As if we haven’t moved far enough to the right since Jimmy Carter...
that's good....although it likely won't budge the chud maga crowd it lets the center leaning independents feel like they are in good company voting for Biden
Make the Democratic Party Republican again? As if we haven’t moved far enough to the right since Jimmy Carter...
No...just be rational and non-narcissistic
Like Reagan?
Like Obama
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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that's good....although it likely won't budge the chud maga crowd it lets the center leaning independents feel like they are in good company voting for Biden
Make the Democratic Party Republican again? As if we haven’t moved far enough to the right since Jimmy Carter...
The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
that's good....although it likely won't budge the chud maga crowd it lets the center leaning independents feel like they are in good company voting for Biden
Make the Democratic Party Republican again? As if we haven’t moved far enough to the right since Jimmy Carter...
No...just be rational and non-narcissistic
Like Reagan?
Like Obama
Then why not use Obama?
my god do you really need me to answer this for you?
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
that's good....although it likely won't budge the chud maga crowd it lets the center leaning independents feel like they are in good company voting for Biden
Make the Democratic Party Republican again? As if we haven’t moved far enough to the right since Jimmy Carter...
No...just be rational and non-narcissistic
Like Reagan?
Like Obama
Then why not use Obama?
my god do you really need me to answer this for you?
Because Obama won’t bring more Republicans to the Democratic candidate?
that's good....although it likely won't budge the chud maga crowd it lets the center leaning independents feel like they are in good company voting for Biden
Make the Democratic Party Republican again? As if we haven’t moved far enough to the right since Jimmy Carter...
No...just be rational and non-narcissistic
Like Reagan?
Reagan was terrible in many ways. And sometimes I hate how Democrats lionize him now as "too liberal for today's GOP" because it's not true. But he was enormously popular and for all of his flaws he (and Carter, and Bush, and Bush, and Clinton, and Obama) genuinely wanted to unite the country. It's not about moving the party right...it's about removing a destructive force. The GOP is "party first." Let's not be.
Biden, not a great candidate, is not going to turn the Democrats into the GOP. Don't let great be the enemy of good. Get back to "good" and then get "great."
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The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
try focusing on the message and less on the messenger ffs.
I'll remind you of fucksticks claim to be the next reagan. Flaws and all Reagan was a statesman, being presidential when it was needed. willing to work with O'neal. Everything fuckstick wishes he were but isnt in this lifetime or the next.
the beauty in this is they are using a republican god figure to highlight trumps failings and by extension the party of today.... before Gingrich gained his power and set us openly on the path we are on now....
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.
The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...
The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...
Did you forget who controlled both houses of congress for 6 of Obama's 8 years and what their number one priority was?
The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...
Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.
The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...
Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.
To your point, when is the last time you heard a serious conversation about police reform? Is Congress going to even put anything up for a vote before Labor Day? We're a nation of parakeets and we're on to other shit. Frustrating as hell.
The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...
Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.
Yes he needs to be removed and Congress needs to act to fill in the holes that he exploited.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...
Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.
To your point, when is the last time you heard a serious conversation about police reform? Is Congress going to even put anything up for a vote before Labor Day? We're a nation of parakeets and we're on to other shit. Frustrating as hell.
I know our establishment Democrat mayor in Austin just endorsed a pro cop DA even though there is a viable candidate with actual reform policy bonafides that has been endorsed by Warren, Sanders, Castro. On the national level it is clearly more important to pontificate at this moment and allow justice reform to get sidelined while also ignoring the eviction and economic crises that are happening in concert with the oft ignored pandemic.
The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...
Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.
To your point, when is the last time you heard a serious conversation about police reform? Is Congress going to even put anything up for a vote before Labor Day? We're a nation of parakeets and we're on to other shit. Frustrating as hell.
I know our establishment Democrat mayor in Austin just endorsed a pro cop DA even though there is a viable candidate with actual reform policy bonafides that has been endorsed by Warren, Sanders, Castro. On the national level it is clearly more important to pontificate at this moment and allow justice reform to get sidelined while also ignoring the eviction and economic crises that are happening in concert with the oft ignored pandemic.
I'm not into "both-sidesing" these days but when it comes to the creation, and lack of reform, of an incredibly flawed and racist criminal justice system, Dems are not even a little bit better than Republicans. Unfortunately, "tough on crime" is an easy sell with people of all political persuasions and the criminal justice system is piled with people looking to "win" and "close cases." I've done some reading about the difficulty of getting wrongful convictions overturned (https://www.amazon.com/Rectify-Restorative-Justice-Wrongful-Conviction/dp/0807029173 read this, it's fascinating) and at the local level, DAs (and police chiefs, etc.) are needed to change the culture and the processes and the public's understanding of why innocent people confess, how awful witness IDs are, and how biased lineups can be. At a national level, Dems need to take leadership on more than just headline-grabbing "crime legislation."
All that said, Trump I (in my white upper-middle-class bubble, I admit) view Trump as priority number 1 right now. The longer he and his family and/or disciples are in charge, the more the United States starts to exist in his image. Then you can forget about any of the reforms you want to see.
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The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...
Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.
To your point, when is the last time you heard a serious conversation about police reform? Is Congress going to even put anything up for a vote before Labor Day? We're a nation of parakeets and we're on to other shit. Frustrating as hell.
I know our establishment Democrat mayor in Austin just endorsed a pro cop DA even though there is a viable candidate with actual reform policy bonafides that has been endorsed by Warren, Sanders, Castro. On the national level it is clearly more important to pontificate at this moment and allow justice reform to get sidelined while also ignoring the eviction and economic crises that are happening in concert with the oft ignored pandemic.
I'm not into "both-sidesing" these days but when it comes to the creation, and lack of reform, of an incredibly flawed and racist criminal justice system, Dems are not even a little bit better than Republicans. Unfortunately, "tough on crime" is an easy sell with people of all political persuasions and the criminal justice system is piled with people looking to "win" and "close cases." I've done some reading about the difficulty of getting wrongful convictions overturned (read this, it's fascinating) and at the local level, DAs (and police chiefs, etc.) are needed to change the culture and the processes and the public's understanding of why innocent people confess, how awful witness IDs are, and how biased lineups can be. At a national level, Dems need to take leadership on more than just headline-grabbing "crime legislation."
All that said, Trump I (in my white upper-middle-class bubble, I admit) view Trump as priority number 1 right now. The longer he and his family and/or disciples are in charge, the more the United States starts to exist in his image. Then you can forget about any of the reforms you want to see.
Your link loops back to this thread. I’m assuming that was a mistake. I’m always open to reading about the problems of our justice system.
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The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.
Assuming Biden wins, there will be a realignment of the parties in the next decade. I think some centrist Democrats could become republicans particularly if the culture wars end. So long as those continue, the Republicans will just shrink. But this may be good for someone like you because the center will probably be to the left of where it is today, and has been for the last 20 years.
The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.
Assuming Biden wins, there will be a realignment of the parties in the next decade. I think some centrist Democrats could become republicans particularly if the culture wars end. So long as those continue, the Republicans will just shrink. But this may be good for someone like you because the center will probably be to the left of where it is today, and has been for the last 20 years.
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Seriously?
That's some next-level cognitive dissonance...
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2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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Biden, not a great candidate, is not going to turn the Democrats into the GOP. Don't let great be the enemy of good. Get back to "good" and then get "great."
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Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin
There are no kings inside the gates of eden