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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    And there’s a separate thread for him.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    And there’s a separate thread for him.
    And he won't be a member of Congress for much longer.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    dignin said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    And there’s a separate thread for him.
    And he won't be a member of Congress for much longer.
    Right, you can't run for two federal offices at the same time.  So the last Libertarian in Congress is preparing to retire.  
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,664
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,664
    I'm sitting this one out
    If your preferred candidate is a grizzled Senator it's "experience and accomplishments!"

    If your preferred candidate is a young-ish upstart it's "an outsider who will shake up the status quo!"


  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
    I love that one it was stupid when it was used against Bernie and its stupid to use against Amash.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,664
    I'm sitting this one out
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
    I love that one it was stupid when it was used against Bernie and its stupid to use against Amash.
    In the abstract, if someone has passed a lot of legislation I don't agree with, I'll happily go with "no key legislation and a bunch of positions I agree with"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
    I would argue Obama sponsored and co-sponsored more legislation in his short senate career than Amash has during his time as a Libertarian.  
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
    I love that one it was stupid when it was used against Bernie and its stupid to use against Amash.
    In the abstract, if someone has passed a lot of legislation I don't agree with, I'll happily go with "no key legislation and a bunch of positions I agree with"
    I would agree with that. Yeah I would rather be voting for someone that I agree with over someone who has passed a lot of legislation. I’m in Texas so Trump is winning here no matter what I do with my vote.  Maybe I will contribute to Amash just so I don’t feel bad for continuing the more of the same trajectory
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
    I love that one it was stupid when it was used against Bernie and its stupid to use against Amash.
    In the abstract, if someone has passed a lot of legislation I don't agree with, I'll happily go with "no key legislation and a bunch of positions I agree with"
    I would agree with that. Yeah I would rather be voting for someone that I agree with over someone who has passed a lot of legislation. I’m in Texas so Trump is winning here no matter what I do with my vote.  Maybe I will contribute to Amash just so I don’t feel bad for continuing the more of the same trajectory
    He will likely win Texas but it is no longer a lock like states such as Alabama or Mississippi anymore
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,664
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
    I would argue Obama sponsored and co-sponsored more legislation in his short senate career than Amash has during his time as a Libertarian.  
    He's been in Congress for a decade
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,613
    Biden
    The presidency is a leadership position. Success as a policy wonk in congress rarely indicates whether or not someone is qualified for it.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
    I love that one it was stupid when it was used against Bernie and its stupid to use against Amash.
    In the abstract, if someone has passed a lot of legislation I don't agree with, I'll happily go with "no key legislation and a bunch of positions I agree with"
    I would agree with that. Yeah I would rather be voting for someone that I agree with over someone who has passed a lot of legislation. I’m in Texas so Trump is winning here no matter what I do with my vote.  Maybe I will contribute to Amash just so I don’t feel bad for continuing the more of the same trajectory
    You're mixing 'passed' with sponsoring and co-sponsoring.  If you're not even attempting legislation, and not voting for legislation, what precisely are you doing there?  Voice of the contrarian?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
    I would argue Obama sponsored and co-sponsored more legislation in his short senate career than Amash has during his time as a Libertarian.  
    He's been in Congress for a decade
    As a Republican...  
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,664
    I'm sitting this one out
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    And there’s a separate thread for him.
    No thanks. My plan is to start a thread if/when he gets the nomination. That way I can update the first post with positions, relevant media, etc. I'll post stuff unique to him there and stuff related to the general race here (or whichever thread we're on when this one gets locked).
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,664
    I'm sitting this one out
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
    I love that one it was stupid when it was used against Bernie and its stupid to use against Amash.
    In the abstract, if someone has passed a lot of legislation I don't agree with, I'll happily go with "no key legislation and a bunch of positions I agree with"
    I would agree with that. Yeah I would rather be voting for someone that I agree with over someone who has passed a lot of legislation. I’m in Texas so Trump is winning here no matter what I do with my vote.  Maybe I will contribute to Amash just so I don’t feel bad for continuing the more of the same trajectory
    We'll take all the help we can get!
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
    I love that one it was stupid when it was used against Bernie and its stupid to use against Amash.
    In the abstract, if someone has passed a lot of legislation I don't agree with, I'll happily go with "no key legislation and a bunch of positions I agree with"
    I would agree with that. Yeah I would rather be voting for someone that I agree with over someone who has passed a lot of legislation. I’m in Texas so Trump is winning here no matter what I do with my vote.  Maybe I will contribute to Amash just so I don’t feel bad for continuing the more of the same trajectory
    So the first half of your post directly contradicted the second half of the post.  You believe in voting for what you believe in, but then want to contribute to Amash who likely stands in direct contrast to all of your stated social safety net positions.  Interesting... 
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    Neither had Obama, but people only use the experience excuse if it runs in their favor. 
    I love that one it was stupid when it was used against Bernie and its stupid to use against Amash.
    In the abstract, if someone has passed a lot of legislation I don't agree with, I'll happily go with "no key legislation and a bunch of positions I agree with"
    I would agree with that. Yeah I would rather be voting for someone that I agree with over someone who has passed a lot of legislation. I’m in Texas so Trump is winning here no matter what I do with my vote.  Maybe I will contribute to Amash just so I don’t feel bad for continuing the more of the same trajectory
    He will likely win Texas but it is no longer a lock like states such as Alabama or Mississippi anymore
    https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump-2/
    Wow in that case might as well keep in the Biden camp don’t want a replay of 16
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142
    pjl44 said:
    I Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There has been a Libertarian in Congress for a week now and the Constitution has not spontaneously combusted
    He also hasn't accomplished anything.  
    And there’s a separate thread for him.
    No thanks. My plan is to start a thread if/when he gets the nomination. That way I can update the first post with positions, relevant media, etc. I'll post stuff unique to him there and stuff related to the general race here (or whichever thread we're on when this one gets locked).
    Has he formally announced or is he still in exploratory mode? Seems weird, either way, not to have positions. Makes it easier when the winds change direction I guess.
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