Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

brianlux

Biden

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.

you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.

i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.

I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.

everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.

I'd like to see Gavin

I as well.  I do think he would win if Biden would step away.  I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..

Here's the problem.  If I am Newsome, I probably don't put my hat in the ring unless I inherit the entire Biden-Harris campaign apparatus.  Think about it, a modern campaign needs months to set up field offices, fundraising, grass root efforts, etc.  If he enters the campaign in August at the convention, he will be way behind Trump in organization.  And if he loses, that's it. He's done.  It would be very unusual for someone to lose a national election and run again.  Only Trump and Nixon have done it that I can think of.  

By contrast, Harris would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign cash and the ground troops.  She would have a huge advantage over Newsome in that respect.  

Good points all around.  Also, Newsom has made it pretty clear he's not going to run (this time!):

https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/newsom-on-biden-after-debate-performance/

WASHINGTON — California Governor Gavin Newsom was in the spin room in Atlanta for the presidential debate on Thursday in support of President Joe Biden.

Mr. Biden's debate performance has set off alarm bells among top Democrats, leaving some to openly question whether Biden can stay atop the Democratic ticket.

During the early minutes of the debate, Mr. Biden struggled to name Medicare when he was asked about the tax rate for wealthy Americans.   

"I've never seen a freakout like this," one House Democrat familiar with conversations among lawmakers said Thursday night, CBS News reported.

CNN senior political commentator David Axelrod also gave voice to a conversation happening among many Democrats on Thursday night: "There are going to be discussions about whether he should continue."

No serious Democratic challengers have stepped up to run against Mr. Biden, and at this point in the campaign, Mr. Biden would have to decide to step aside if Democrats were to pick another nominee. If Mr. Biden did withdraw, the Democratic nomination would be decided on the floor.

One person who has frequently been asked if he is headed toward an eventual presidential run, either now or in 2028, is Gov. Newsom.

After the debate, Gov. Newsom dismissed calls for Mr. Biden to be removed from the Democratic ticket.

"I will never turn my back on President Biden. Never turn my back on President Biden, I don't know a Democrat in my party that would do so," he said when asked about a rumbling of Democrats possibly open to replacing Biden as the party's nominee.

FiveBelow

I'm sitting this one out

brianlux said:

FiveBelow said:

Go Beavers said:

FiveBelow said:

Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.

Biden’s pretty much at the center. 

Then his attempt to appeal to those you say he most closely aligns with could not have been a bigger failure. Staunch democrats are the only reason his approval rating has a pulse, and this has nothing to do with the great democrat awakening that’s taken place over the last few days.

I don't believe most of us who support Biden are big fans.  We support Biden because... you know the rest.

Wouldn’t it be nice to have more than two legitimate options? Feeling forced into a decision with so much at stake doesn’t feel very democratic to me. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

FiveBelow said:

Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.

it's not just politicians. most people believe they can still do what they used to do when they were younger. This type of thing isn't unique to politics. 

I’m talking about the correlation between politics and narcissism. Believing you’re the best option to run the country vs believing you could still lace up the old sneakers and get in the game are completely different, imo.

Gern Blansten

Biden

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.

you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.

i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.

I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.

everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.

I'd like to see Gavin

I as well.  I do think he would win if Biden would step away.  I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..

Here's the problem.  If I am Newsome, I probably don't put my hat in the ring unless I inherit the entire Biden-Harris campaign apparatus.  Think about it, a modern campaign needs months to set up field offices, fundraising, grass root efforts, etc.  If he enters the campaign in August at the convention, he will be way behind Trump in organization.  And if he loses, that's it. He's done.  It would be very unusual for someone to lose a national election and run again.  Only Trump and Nixon have done it that I can think of.  

By contrast, Harris would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign cash and the ground troops.  She would have a huge advantage over Newsome in that respect.  

I was brainstorming a situation where Harris steps out to run for CA Gov, Newsome gets added as VP, then Biden steps down and Newsome is the guy. Then add Buttigieg as VP.

That's probably not going to happen. It's like one of those puzzles where you move squares around to make a picture.

Gern Blansten

Biden

OnWis97 said:

It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true.  He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president.  Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.

Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.

That's the kicker. I'm surprised by polling that still shows Biden doing better against tRump than Harris or Newsome.

I'm not sure I believe that but it's interesting.

mickeyrat

Biden

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.

you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.

i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.

I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.

everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.

I'd like to see Gavin

I as well.  I do think he would win if Biden would step away.  I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..

Here's the problem.  If I am Newsome, I probably don't put my hat in the ring unless I inherit the entire Biden-Harris campaign apparatus.  Think about it, a modern campaign needs months to set up field offices, fundraising, grass root efforts, etc.  If he enters the campaign in August at the convention, he will be way behind Trump in organization.  And if he loses, that's it. He's done.  It would be very unusual for someone to lose a national election and run again.  Only Trump and Nixon have done it that I can think of.  

By contrast, Harris would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign cash and the ground troops.  She would have a huge advantage over Newsome in that respect.  

Grover Cleveland.Ran 3 times  Won first election (pop vote and college) lost second election(won pop lost college) won third election(pop vote and college)

mrussel1

Biden

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.

you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.

i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.

I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.

everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.

I'd like to see Gavin

I as well.  I do think he would win if Biden would step away.  I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..

Here's the problem.  If I am Newsome, I probably don't put my hat in the ring unless I inherit the entire Biden-Harris campaign apparatus.  Think about it, a modern campaign needs months to set up field offices, fundraising, grass root efforts, etc.  If he enters the campaign in August at the convention, he will be way behind Trump in organization.  And if he loses, that's it. He's done.  It would be very unusual for someone to lose a national election and run again.  Only Trump and Nixon have done it that I can think of.  

By contrast, Harris would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign cash and the ground troops.  She would have a huge advantage over Newsome in that respect.  

Grover Cleveland.Ran 3 times  Won first election (pop vote and college) lost second election(won pop lost college) won third election(pop vote and college)

Good call.  I was relying on my memory and the Gilded Age presidents were always a drag...  

But as I dig deeper into my memory, I should have recalled Andrew Jackson.  He lost in 1824 in the election known as the "Corrupt Bargain" before winning in 1828 and 32.  But times were different before primaries, and the entire selection process took place in the conventions.  So I am really, REALLY hoping we have a contested convention.  That would be fantastic to watch.  

mrussel1

Biden

Gern Blansten said:

OnWis97 said:

It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true.  He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president.  Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.

Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.

That's the kicker. I'm surprised by polling that still shows Biden doing better against tRump than Harris or Newsome.

I'm not sure I believe that but it's interesting.

Certainly for Newsome, it's a recognition issue.  There was a recent poll but Reuters just released that only has Michelle Obama beating Trump.  And she thumps him 50-39.  

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753294-michelle-obama-donald-trump-joe-biden-democrat-2024-hypothetical-matchup-survey/

Bentleyspop

Biden

OnWis97 said:

It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true.  He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president.  Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.

Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.

This has always been an important point for me.
Who exactly is whispering in the president's ear and helping to make/write policy.
Every single person whispering to tfg is a grifter and cares nothing about America or Americans.

cincybearcat

Biden

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

OnWis97 said:

It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true.  He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president.  Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.

Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.

That's the kicker. I'm surprised by polling that still shows Biden doing better against tRump than Harris or Newsome.

I'm not sure I believe that but it's interesting.

Certainly for Newsome, it's a recognition issue.  There was a recent poll but Reuters just released that only has Michelle Obama beating Trump.  And she thumps him 50-39.  

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753294-michelle-obama-donald-trump-joe-biden-democrat-2024-hypothetical-matchup-survey/

Honestly - if the Dems want to be sure to win this election you need Biden to drop out and Michelle to take his place at the top of the ticket.  You can keep Harris if you feel you need to in order to keep the campaign structure and $.  A Michelle/Kamala ticket would be quite interesting and I'd be very interested to know of it works or she needs to add more diversity to her ticket. 

But I do not believe that will happen.  So it's diminished Joe vs insane Donald.  What an election.

mrussel1

Biden

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

OnWis97 said:

It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true.  He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president.  Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.

Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.

That's the kicker. I'm surprised by polling that still shows Biden doing better against tRump than Harris or Newsome.

I'm not sure I believe that but it's interesting.

Certainly for Newsome, it's a recognition issue.  There was a recent poll but Reuters just released that only has Michelle Obama beating Trump.  And she thumps him 50-39.  

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753294-michelle-obama-donald-trump-joe-biden-democrat-2024-hypothetical-matchup-survey/

Honestly - if the Dems want to be sure to win this election you need Biden to drop out and Michelle to take his place at the top of the ticket.  You can keep Harris if you feel you need to in order to keep the campaign structure and $.  A Michelle/Kamala ticket would be quite interesting and I'd be very interested to know of it works or she needs to add more diversity to her ticket. 

But I do not believe that will happen.  So it's diminished Joe vs insane Donald.  What an election.

I don't think she has the slightest interest in being president.  I do agree she would smoke him though.  

Halifax2TheMax

Michelle Obama ain’t walking through that door and even if she did, I’m not sure she’d beat POOTWH, particularly with Kamala remaining as the undercard. Better get used to and accept the fact that POOTWH is going to be re-elected and implement a fascist state. For what it’s worth:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html

Gern Blansten

Biden

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

OnWis97 said:

It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true.  He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president.  Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.

Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.

That's the kicker. I'm surprised by polling that still shows Biden doing better against tRump than Harris or Newsome.

I'm not sure I believe that but it's interesting.

Certainly for Newsome, it's a recognition issue.  There was a recent poll but Reuters just released that only has Michelle Obama beating Trump.  And she thumps him 50-39.  

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753294-michelle-obama-donald-trump-joe-biden-democrat-2024-hypothetical-matchup-survey/

Honestly - if the Dems want to be sure to win this election you need Biden to drop out and Michelle to take his place at the top of the ticket.  You can keep Harris if you feel you need to in order to keep the campaign structure and $.  A Michelle/Kamala ticket would be quite interesting and I'd be very interested to know of it works or she needs to add more diversity to her ticket. 

But I do not believe that will happen.  So it's diminished Joe vs insane Donald.  What an election.

I don't think she has the slightest interest in being president.  I do agree she would smoke him though.  

If she would campaign for Harris that wouldn't hurt....if Harris gets the nod

Pretty apparent that Joe will drop out regardless of what the attitude is coming from his camp right now.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

For everyone whose top priority is "stopping Trump," you should reflect on the possibility that this is not the top priority of Joe Biden and his inner circle at the moment. Hence the tidal wave of whispers, leaks, and some on the record comments being reported.

Gern Blansten

Biden

pjl44 said:

For everyone whose top priority is "stopping Trump," you should reflect on the possibility that this is not the top priority of Joe Biden and his inner circle at the moment. Hence the tidal wave of whispers, leaks, and some on the record comments being reported.

Disagree...that's the priority

tbergs

Biden

pjl44 said:

For everyone whose top priority is "stopping Trump," you should reflect on the possibility that this is not the top priority of Joe Biden and his inner circle at the moment. Hence the tidal wave of whispers, leaks, and some on the record comments being reported.

What do you think Biden’s top priority is because I don't think he would have even run again if Trump had disappeared. 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

tbergs said:

pjl44 said:

For everyone whose top priority is "stopping Trump," you should reflect on the possibility that this is not the top priority of Joe Biden and his inner circle at the moment. Hence the tidal wave of whispers, leaks, and some on the record comments being reported.

What do you think Biden’s top priority is because I don't think he would have even run again if Trump had disappeared. 

Power. I thought all the "Hunter and Jill as closest advisers" was making that point pretty clear on top of everything else.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

I believe people are projecting an awful lot onto Joe Biden despite a decades long track record of who Joe Biden is and panicked journalists and politicos now trying to remind you 

mrussel1

Biden

pjl44 said:

tbergs said:

pjl44 said:

For everyone whose top priority is "stopping Trump," you should reflect on the possibility that this is not the top priority of Joe Biden and his inner circle at the moment. Hence the tidal wave of whispers, leaks, and some on the record comments being reported.

What do you think Biden’s top priority is because I don't think he would have even run again if Trump had disappeared. 

Power. I thought all the "Hunter and Jill as closest advisers" was making that point pretty clear on top of everything else.

I wouldn't be so cynical as to call it "power".  I think that it is human nature for someone to think they are best qualified to do whatever job, particularly if they have been doing it.  Politicians, in particular, feel that way.  You have to have that arrogance and a touch of narcissism to think you can be the leader of the free world.  

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

tbergs said:

pjl44 said:

For everyone whose top priority is "stopping Trump," you should reflect on the possibility that this is not the top priority of Joe Biden and his inner circle at the moment. Hence the tidal wave of whispers, leaks, and some on the record comments being reported.

What do you think Biden’s top priority is because I don't think he would have even run again if Trump had disappeared. 

Power. I thought all the "Hunter and Jill as closest advisers" was making that point pretty clear on top of everything else.

I wouldn't be so cynical as to call it "power".  I think that it is human nature for someone to think they are best qualified to do whatever job, particularly if they have been doing it.  Politicians, in particular, feel that way.  You have to have that arrogance and a touch of narcissism to think you can be the leader of the free world.  

I'm being glib but I generally agree. You also have to factor in his cognitive condition and Hunter and Jill's desires when they're in his ear. These are not people known for their selfless public service.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

I also totally understand anyone who says they will individually vote for Biden if that's the name on the ballot but I think "Biden should remain on the ballot" is asking for trouble