Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

"we" are not acknowledging he "should be 25'd". One or two are. 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

well then that's pretty irrelevant. 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

Regardless, if we were all being honest with ourselves Harris would be President before we're out of July

gimmesometruth27

Biden

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.

you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.

i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.

you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.

i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.

I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

she wasn't first place for POTUS, but I agree with gimme that if they were to replace her on the ticket with a white dude, there would be hell to pay. It's not racism. It's demographics. 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.

you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.

i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.

I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.

everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.

gimmesometruth27

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

she wasn't first place for POTUS, but I agree with gimme that if they were to replace her on the ticket with a white dude, there would be hell to pay. It's not racism. It's demographics. 

what the dems have to be wary of is making people stay at home. they are not going to turn women and minorities to trump, but they will definitely not make them come out for biden and some other candidate. every vote counts. polls do not matter. votes do. 

i do believe the dems will shoot themselves in the foot though. they always do. they don't have the gall to play like the gop.

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

For one, I’d say the chances of him lasting 4.5 more years is less than 50/50. So may as well put the person in the VP spot who you’d want to be the one to take over. I don’t see that as immoral if it’s justified.
And second, when did being immoral stop those seeded deep within DC anyway?

you said "25 biden in the first year", which is what I was referring to. that's not the same as just installing a VP to succeed if he can't finish his term naturally. 

Yeah, I said the first year because if it’s going to happen, I’d bet it’s sooner than later in his term.
I said before, there’s been concern for months but it was always dismissed. Now everyone saw it, it’s going to be harder to dismiss it and blame right media in the future the next time he’s on stage shaking the hand of a ghost.
I have always found it kind of funny, you couldn’t go a week without people complaining about Trump taking days off. But Biden takes even more time off and hardly a peep from those same people. He’s taken about 40% of the time off, more than anyone else. I’m starting to wonder can he actually work a full week? Can he fly over seas and keep up with a full schedule? Now that it is in the mind of everyone and can’t just brush it off, my guess is you’ll hear more about it in the future.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

not many people honestly give two shits about how much time the prez takes off, as long as the work gets done. the main issue with people pointing it out with trump is that he consistently lied about it (SHOCKER). He consistently stated he was working when everyone knew he wasn't. If he had just kept his fat orange mouth shut, no one would have said anything about it. And keep in mind, it was the republicans that first started making a big deal out of Obama's "executive time". 

it's the same thing with his weight. No one would be shaming him if he didn't keep telling people ridiculously obvious lies about his weight and height. 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

Not good

https://x.com/yashar/status/1807936310998716721

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

pjl44 said:

Not good

https://x.com/yashar/status/1807936310998716721

part of me believes it, another part of me knows that in situations like these, the vultures who just want to get on primetime tv come out and embellish stuff. 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Not good

https://x.com/yashar/status/1807936310998716721

part of me believes it, another part of me knows that in situations like these, the vultures who just want to get on primetime tv come out and embellish stuff. 

It's Carl Bernstein reporting on CNN

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

I mean don't get me wrong the rats are out and about but the reporters feast

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Not good

https://x.com/yashar/status/1807936310998716721

part of me believes it, another part of me knows that in situations like these, the vultures who just want to get on primetime tv come out and embellish stuff. 

It's Carl Bernstein reporting on CNN

I know who it is and what he's doing. Just take it all with a grain of salt. 

brianlux

Biden

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

For one, I’d say the chances of him lasting 4.5 more years is less than 50/50. So may as well put the person in the VP spot who you’d want to be the one to take over. I don’t see that as immoral if it’s justified.
And second, when did being immoral stop those seeded deep within DC anyway?

I don't see him lasting as a problem. The problem is more likely that he will continue to slip mentally.

I love Biden. I think he's a great president. I also think that his slip ups are not really alarming at all. The optics are horrible...no doubt about that, but he is clearly still able to function as a great president. 

Was his loss of his train of thought really any more alarming than tRump's stupid word vomit about batteries and sharks?

Exactly what I more or less have tried to say here.

The other thing I have been thinking is this:  half of the people who most want Biden to step down are democrats trying to make a name for themselves and the other half are MAGA republicans who know that Biden stepping down will seal it for Trump winning.  Some folks would rather be "right" about their assessment of Biden's mental state, even if it means have Trump become president.  Biden is not going to step down.  A lot of people would do well to stop fantasizing and deal with reality.

I'm not in denial about the fact that Biden is not always sharp as a tack, and that sometimes he just flat out flounders.   I get it!  I'm 73 and sometimes I flounder.  I haven't burned the house down or been told to stop selling books and records, but if someone said I should step down, do I let one of the rodents that occasionally invade our house do my job?  It's a fair analogy.  We either get not-always-on-his-game Biden as president, or dictator megalomania pathological liar crazy Trump to be president just like you either get me to be a bookseller, or one of the rats in the attic.

True, the choice SUCKS!  But we have to suck it up, because that's the reality.  Democracy, and our freedom, and the stability of the world we  live in is at stake.  

We need to deal with reality.  

We need to choose wisely.