Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

OnWis97

Biden

It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true.  He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president.  Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.

Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.

mrussel1

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.

you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.

i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.

I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.

everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.

I'd like to see Gavin

cincybearcat

Biden

OnWis97 said:

It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true.  He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president.  Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.

Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.

Good post.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

Just because trump doesn't stare into space for 10 seconds doesn't make him more mentally fit. one could argue a stupid narcissist in the white house is worse than someone who isn't always mentally sharp. 

brianlux

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

Just because trump doesn't stare into space for 10 seconds doesn't make him more mentally fit. one could argue a stupid narcissist in the white house is worse than someone who isn't always mentally sharp. 

Exactly.  

The choice sucks, it sucks that I will vote for someone who is too old for the job, but I believe voting for Biden is an absolute "must do".

Glorified KC

Biden

This is all I have to say about Trump being anywhere near a snowball's chance of being mentally fit.

The Juggler

Biden

I know a lot of you claim to not believe or care about the polling....but it's a fucking disaster at the moment. 

And it wasn't very good a week ago. 

tbergs

Biden

Glorified KC said:

This is all I have to say about Trump being anywhere near a snowball's chance of being mentally fit.

If only he and his followers had just drank the bleach we'd all be better off...

Glorified KC

Biden

tbergs said:

Glorified KC said:

This is all I have to say about Trump being anywhere near a snowball's chance of being mentally fit.

If only he and his followers had just drank the bleach we'd all be better off...

They can all drink up on their Invincibility Juice.

FiveBelow

I'm sitting this one out

Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.

cblock4life

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.

you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.

i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.

I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.

everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.

I'd like to see Gavin

I as well.  I do think he would win if Biden would step away.  I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..

josevolution

Even if you showed me Biden’s brain in a jar I’d still vote blue 🖕🏽the Republicans 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

josevolution said:

Even if you showed me Biden’s brain in a jar I’d still vote blue 🖕🏽the Republicans 

in missouri in 2000 we voted for dead democrat mel carnahan over alive future ag john ashcroft for governor.

that was before we became a red hellscape not too long after that.

CO278952

Trump

Seems like Biden's toast to me... 

Go Beavers

FiveBelow said:

Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.

Biden’s pretty much at the center. 

FiveBelow

I'm sitting this one out

Go Beavers said:

FiveBelow said:

Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.

Biden’s pretty much at the center. 

Then his attempt to appeal to those you say he most closely aligns with could not have been a bigger failure. Staunch democrats are the only reason his approval rating has a pulse, and this has nothing to do with the great democrat awakening that’s taken place over the last few days.

brianlux

Biden

FiveBelow said:

Go Beavers said:

FiveBelow said:

Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.

Biden’s pretty much at the center. 

Then his attempt to appeal to those you say he most closely aligns with could not have been a bigger failure. Staunch democrats are the only reason his approval rating has a pulse, and this has nothing to do with the great democrat awakening that’s taken place over the last few days.

I don't believe most of us who support Biden are big fans.  We support Biden because... you know the rest.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

FiveBelow said:

Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.

it's not just politicians. most people believe they can still do what they used to do when they were younger. This type of thing isn't unique to politics. 

brianlux

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

FiveBelow said:

Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.

it's not just politicians. most people believe they can still do what they used to do when they were younger. This type of thing isn't unique to politics. 

No this guy.  I could write a song about that...

I can't drink used to when I was young,

I can't smoke like I did when I had bigger lungs.

I can't party like the old days

Or keep up with my old ways,

I'm just a speck of what I once was, son.

mrussel1

Biden

cblock4life said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.


also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc. 

The soft racism of assumptions about black voters

how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.

That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle 

so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?

it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.

You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.

you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.

i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.

I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.

everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.

I'd like to see Gavin

I as well.  I do think he would win if Biden would step away.  I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..

Here's the problem.  If I am Newsome, I probably don't put my hat in the ring unless I inherit the entire Biden-Harris campaign apparatus.  Think about it, a modern campaign needs months to set up field offices, fundraising, grass root efforts, etc.  If he enters the campaign in August at the convention, he will be way behind Trump in organization.  And if he loses, that's it. He's done.  It would be very unusual for someone to lose a national election and run again.  Only Trump and Nixon have done it that I can think of.  

By contrast, Harris would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign cash and the ground troops.  She would have a huge advantage over Newsome in that respect.