Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

mickeyrat · June 2024

Biden

benjs said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

can we all take a step back and make an observation?

fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?

there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.

NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....

WAPO isnt far off of that either.

sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....

Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.

Right, but what if he has another as bad, or worse? The second debate is after the convention, so it will be too late. Are you betting this is an aberration or the norm? I fear it's the norm.

what if we never beat england in the revolutionary war?

what if.

Um, that's history. I'm talking about the future. The question is whether Biden is still the best person to represent the party on the ticket. If the answer is no, then Biden owes it to the country and to his legacy to step aside. I absolutely believed in 2020 that he was the best candidate. I no longer do.

You choose to live in what if. I wont play that stupid game. done it enough in the past. not doing it in the present. vote your conscience

It's not just 'what if'. The first debate performance was disastrous, so it stands to reason that his second could very well be too. If that's the case, it will be a hard sell. Now is the right time to play 'what if' - while there are still two potential options.

17 weeks from the election. approx half watched compared to 2020. and he got better as the night went on.

gimmesometruth27 · June 2024

Biden

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

can we all take a step back and make an observation?

fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?

there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.

NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....

WAPO isnt far off of that either.

sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....

Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.

I’ll have to say I agree. I’ve thought the same thing for a long time, but don’t think I’ve said anything to avoid the “both sides” comments.
Yes, fox sells fear. They will have you think China is going to over take this country if Biden wins.
But I hear things like democracy will end and he’ll never leave the office. He’ll be what, 85 when the next term ends? How long do people think he can serve?

dude, he tried to not leave office the first time. he now says he is entitled to 2 more terms. do the math. he also has said publicly that he has the right to go on a revenge tour against those that do not agree with him. fucker will not accept the election results if he loses, and he will not leave if he wins this time and loses next. he was surrounded by some people that tried to alter the outcome in 2020. the fake elector scheme. he will be surrounded with sycophants this time, and nobody will try to stop him. we can't take that chance. wake up.

He never admitted defeat in 2020, but still left willingly. No one had to forcibly remove him. Secret service didn’t drag him out. It won’t be different if he wins again. It’ll be 4 years and he’s gone. He won’t change the constitution to add another term, or just refuse to leave when it’s over. And if he loses, he’ll cry foul, take it to court, and lose again.

my sweet summer child.

brianlux · June 2024

Biden

Is anybody else finding all things Biden vs Trump unhealthy? I think it's wise to keep up with what's happening, but I'm finding its starting to wear on my nerves. I watched to debate and my head wants to explode. I read about Trumps endless lies and my stomach churns. I think about what will happen if Trump wins and get rattled big-time. Its really hard not to get overwhelmed sometimes. I need to get busy and do something. Maybe go clean the bathroom floor to ceiling with an old discarded toothbrush.

mickeyrat · June 2024

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

can we all take a step back and make an observation?

fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?

there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.

NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....

WAPO isnt far off of that either.

sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....

Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.

I’ll have to say I agree. I’ve thought the same thing for a long time, but don’t think I’ve said anything to avoid the “both sides” comments.
Yes, fox sells fear. They will have you think China is going to over take this country if Biden wins.
But I hear things like democracy will end and he’ll never leave the office. He’ll be what, 85 when the next term ends? How long do people think he can serve?

dude, he tried to not leave office the first time. he now says he is entitled to 2 more terms. do the math. he also has said publicly that he has the right to go on a revenge tour against those that do not agree with him. fucker will not accept the election results if he loses, and he will not leave if he wins this time and loses next. he was surrounded by some people that tried to alter the outcome in 2020. the fake elector scheme. he will be surrounded with sycophants this time, and nobody will try to stop him. we can't take that chance. wake up.

He never admitted defeat in 2020, but still left willingly. No one had to forcibly remove him. Secret service didn’t drag him out. It won’t be different if he wins again. It’ll be 4 years and he’s gone. He won’t change the constitution to add another term, or just refuse to leave when it’s over. And if he loses, he’ll cry foul, take it to court, and lose again.

my sweet summer child.

slunk away like the piece of shit he is.

pjl44 · June 2024

I'm sitting this one out

mickeyrat said:

benjs said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

can we all take a step back and make an observation?

fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?

there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.

NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....

WAPO isnt far off of that either.

sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....

Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.

Right, but what if he has another as bad, or worse? The second debate is after the convention, so it will be too late. Are you betting this is an aberration or the norm? I fear it's the norm.

what if we never beat england in the revolutionary war?

what if.

Um, that's history. I'm talking about the future. The question is whether Biden is still the best person to represent the party on the ticket. If the answer is no, then Biden owes it to the country and to his legacy to step aside. I absolutely believed in 2020 that he was the best candidate. I no longer do.

You choose to live in what if. I wont play that stupid game. done it enough in the past. not doing it in the present. vote your conscience

It's not just 'what if'. The first debate performance was disastrous, so it stands to reason that his second could very well be too. If that's the case, it will be a hard sell. Now is the right time to play 'what if' - while there are still two potential options.

17 weeks from the election. approx half watched compared to 2020. and he got better as the night went on.

"Sure the President demonstrated severe cognitive deterioration during a televised debate but hopefully enough people didn't see it or forget about it" et al. is a horrible reflection on the state of the Democrat party.

I'm not a fan of Kamala Harris but I'd be much more comfortable with her at the wheel right now. I do not feel like I know who is making decisions on behalf of the Executive branch and I cannot fathom that continuing another 6 months much less 4 years.

Halifax2TheMax · June 2024

brianlux said:

An email I got from the Biden team today contains some good suggestions. "The "bedwetting brigade" cracked me up. ...but made the point clear that Biden is the Dem candidate.

If you're like me, you're getting lots of texts or calls from folks about the state of the race after Thursday. Maybe it was your panicked aunt, your MAGA uncle, or some self-important Podcasters. It's a tough position to be in, so I thought it might be helpful to send you a few responses.

Yes, the debate started rough, but voters saw what a threat Donald Trump is to the country. It was more than just lying -- though he did plenty of that. Trump:

Defended the end of Roe v. Wade, saying "it's been a great thing."
Said that the pro-Trump Nazi march in Charlottesville was "made up."
Said on January 6th that "we were respected all over the world."
Defended his 34 felony convictions, saying the system was "rigged" and he did nothing wrong.
Actual voters perceived this debate very differently than those who pay attention to politics a lot (like everyone who is getting this email and everyone who goes on cable news).
Breaking news: People think Joe Biden's old. They did coming into the debate, they do coming out of the debate. At the same time, though, a lot of people have rose-colored glasses about the Trump years. The most important thing about the debate was always going to be that people were reminded of what they hate about Donald Trump: that he's unhinged, out for revenge, and in it for himself. And they were reminded, in a powerful way.

Flash polls from CNN, 538, SurveyUSA, Morning Consult, and Data for Progress show what we expected: the debate did not change the horserace. In fact, following the debate, our internal dials showed President Biden led Trump on key measures of being presidential, speaking to the issues that matter, and being likable by more than 20 points.
That's because the long-term impact of debates is overstated anyway.
Let us all remember that Barack Obama lost the first debate in 2012 (and the media panicked too!). Bush lost in 2004. Ronald Reagan lost the first debate in 1984. They, as you'll recall, won their elections. And those debates were in October, not June!
90 minutes does not negate 3 ½ years of results.
Joe Biden is extremely good at being president. Let's not forget that the guy up on stage:

Expanded health care to millions of families
Lowered the price of insulin to $35 for seniors
Created more jobs than any president in history
Vaccinated the country and reopened our schools
Took the largest climate action in the history of the world
Canceled student loans for nearly 5 million people
Rallied the world in support of Ukraine, and expanded NATO while doing it
Passed the largest national funding for passenger rail since the founding of Amtrak
Banned chokeholds and no-knock entries by federal law enforcement, and restricted the transfer of military equipment to police departments
Passed the largest investment in bridges and roads in our history
Pardoned thousands of Americans federally convicted of marijuana possession
Expanded benefits to veterans who have been exposed to toxic chemicals
Officially protected same-sex marriage federally
Passed the first gun violence prevention bill in 30 years
Saved the pensions of more than 1 million union workers
Averted a banking crisis (remember that?)
Expanded paid overtime to working families
Made birth control pills available over the counter
Made renewable energy the #2 source of electricity in America
Moved to reschedule marijuana
Shifted the microchip supply chain back to the United States
Put the first Black woman on the Supreme Court
And that's really all I have time to list out here!
The day after the debate, Joe Biden gave a fiery, defiant speech, where he tackled concerns about his age head-on.
I don't know if you were watching, but Joe Biden left the debate stage, spoke at a rally, went to Waffle House, got on a plane, flew to Raleigh, hung out with 200 supporters on the tarmac, went to bed, woke up, gave an amazing speech, got back on a plane, went to New York, visited Stonewall with Elton John, and then spoke at a pride gala for LGBTQ+ supporters.

The speech in Raleigh, by the way, has millions of views online, and you should watch and share it yourself:

The bedwetting brigade is calling for Joe Biden to "drop out." That is the best possible way for Donald Trump to win and us to lose.
First of all: Joe Biden is going to be the Democratic nominee, period. End of story. Voters voted. He won overwhelmingly. And if he were to drop out, it would lead to weeks of chaos, internal foodfighting, and a bunch of candidates who limp into a brutal floor fight at the convention, all while Donald Trump has time to speak to American voters uncontested. All of that would be in service of a nominee who would go into a general election in the weakest possible position with zero dollars in their bank account. You want a highway to losing? It's that.

And at the end of the day, we'd switch to candidates who would, according to polls, be less likely to win than Joe Biden -- the only person ever to defeat Donald Trump.

Joe Biden is the Democratic nominee, period. Rather than worrying about polls, our supporters are getting on board.
Did you see the awesome clips of our supporters on the tarmac doing the Cupid Shuffle at 2am on the night of the debate? The biggest rally of our campaign yet on Friday? Well, no, probably not, because the media is busy hyperventilating and trying to manifest drama to boost ratings. But this isn't Aaron Sorkin's fever dream. It's Joe Biden's reelection campaign.

While they were spinning out, our grassroots supporters got to work and:
Raised us $27 million in two days
Signed up for three times as many volunteer shifts as on an average day
Attended more than 1,500 events nationwide

We even had three times as many people as usual apply to campaign jobs yesterday. Mercifully, while the beltway pundits are spending their time attacking Joe Biden, our people are more focused than ever.

Smart folks -- folks that care about defeating Donald Trump and winning this election -- have identified that the best way to help right now is by helping, and not by kicking their feet up and telling everyone around them to panic.

I tend to agree with this take. We’re riding with Biden to the White House or we’re crashing and burning with Brandon at the wheel. Too late to change the candidate. We need turnout via outreach and the party out on the campaign trail where it matters most. Let’s see how sleepy woke Joe will do at rallies in September through November. Plus, do a lot of small market media interviews in the battleground states.

I have my prediction but it’s not due to a poor debate performance.

mace1229 · June 2024

mickeyrat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

can we all take a step back and make an observation?

fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?

there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.

NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....

WAPO isnt far off of that either.

sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....

Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.

I’ll have to say I agree. I’ve thought the same thing for a long time, but don’t think I’ve said anything to avoid the “both sides” comments.
Yes, fox sells fear. They will have you think China is going to over take this country if Biden wins.
But I hear things like democracy will end and he’ll never leave the office. He’ll be what, 85 when the next term ends? How long do people think he can serve?

dude, he tried to not leave office the first time. he now says he is entitled to 2 more terms. do the math. he also has said publicly that he has the right to go on a revenge tour against those that do not agree with him. fucker will not accept the election results if he loses, and he will not leave if he wins this time and loses next. he was surrounded by some people that tried to alter the outcome in 2020. the fake elector scheme. he will be surrounded with sycophants this time, and nobody will try to stop him. we can't take that chance. wake up.

He never admitted defeat in 2020, but still left willingly. No one had to forcibly remove him. Secret service didn’t drag him out. It won’t be different if he wins again. It’ll be 4 years and he’s gone. He won’t change the constitution to add another term, or just refuse to leave when it’s over. And if he loses, he’ll cry foul, take it to court, and lose again.

my sweet summer child.

slunk away like the pussy piece of shit he is.

Not sure what those last 2 comments mean.

Gern Blansten · June 2024

Biden

Harris runs for Gov of CA

Gavin takes her vp spot or...

brianlux · June 2024

Biden

Here is a video I would implore all you us who care about retaining democracy in America. This is what we need to do. It's spelled out clearly. I know at a little over 21 minutes, it's a longer than a sound bite, but this is worth your time. We need this kind of guidance. We need to stop being negative and defeated. We need to stop talking about Biden stepping down. And more than anything, we need to continue to oppose Trump, to not let up on the attack on Donald Trump for a moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw8te6EiIlY

pjl44 · June 2024

I'm sitting this one out

!!!!!!!

brianlux · July 2024

Biden

Half the push for Biden to drop out of the race comes from Democrats who have forgotten how to stay strong and remain positive and half from MAGA Republicans who would love to see that happen. Biden is not going to drop out of the race.

HughFreakingDillon · July 2024

Biden

saw one political commentator say "this once again proves republicans have no morals (supporting trump) and democrats have no spine (wanting to replace biden)"

brianlux · July 2024

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

saw one political commentator say "this once again proves republicans have no morals (supporting trump) and democrats have no spine (wanting to replace biden)"

Generalizations of course, but hard to argue.

mace1229 · July 2024

Gern Blansten said:

Harris runs for Gov of CA

Gavin takes her vp spot or...

I was actually thinking this. Have someone replace Kamala who would have a higher approval rating. And 25 Biden within the first year. Then no need to change him on the ticket.

HughFreakingDillon · July 2024

Biden

"planning"' on ousting a sitting president is highly unlikely and extremely immoral.

brianlux · July 2024

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

"planning"' on ousting a sitting president is highly unlikely and extremely immoral.

Besides which, it's just not going to happen. Odd that people can't see or accept that. I think the operative word is "deal".

mace1229 · July 2024

For one, I’d say the chances of him lasting 4.5 more years is less than 50/50. So may as well put the person in the VP spot who you’d want to be the one to take over. I don’t see that as immoral if it’s justified.
And second, when did being immoral stop those seeded deep within DC anyway?

brianlux · July 2024

Biden

First of all, Trump is not spring chicken and looks more sickly that Biden. So the choice is old Biden with good ideas and a love of democracy, or old Trump with a shit load of felonies, poor manners, poor morals, bloated ego, unhinged narcissism, an undying love of authoritarian rule (which will come back to haunt anyone who follow it- for Pete's sake, look at some history would ya?!), and enough lies to fill a book. How does anyone even consider that crook as a choice for president? How is that even possible?

As for Biden's age, look, I have mornings where I look as bad as Joe on a bad day- maybe worse! It happens when you're old. Does that mean I'll be lucky to have another 4 and 1/2 years? And besides, no one here is Biden's or my doctor, so why would anyone say something like that? Jesus, you'd think some of you have never seen and old adult. We're not going to up and die just because we have an off days. Get a grip

gimmesometruth27 · July 2024

Biden

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.

also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc.

brianlux · July 2024

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

ok, who does biden need to win?

african americans, and women.

you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.

also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc.

GOOD point. I'm up for that!

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