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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,569
    Biden
    shecky said:

    Federal student loans for nearly 153,000 borrowers are being automatically canceled, Biden says.

    Updated 12:54 PM PST, February 21, 2024
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    CULVER CITY, Calif. (AP) — President Joe Biden announced Wednesday that his administration was automatically canceling federal student loans for nearly 153,000 borrowers, putting the spotlight on his debt cancellation efforts as he ramps up his reelection campaign.

    that's called winning. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Biden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    shecky said:

    Federal student loans for nearly 153,000 borrowers are being automatically canceled, Biden says.

    Updated 12:54 PM PST, February 21, 2024
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    CULVER CITY, Calif. (AP) — President Joe Biden announced Wednesday that his administration was automatically canceling federal student loans for nearly 153,000 borrowers, putting the spotlight on his debt cancellation efforts as he ramps up his reelection campaign.

    that's called winning. 
    But what now?  The core problems still exist.  
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,229
    Biden
    this is pretty good

    https://x.com/historyfalls/status/1256405985024978947?s=20
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,229
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    this is pretty good

    https://x.com/historyfalls/status/1256405985024978947?s=20
    "americans is the only people dumb enough to fight a civil war over the last civil war."
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,768

    Exclusive: No 2 Senate Republican leader John Thune endorses Trump in 2024 Republican primary

    Thune speaks with Trump by phone after the South Carolina primary, a source tells Fox News Digital

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Biden
    shecky said:

    Exclusive: No 2 Senate Republican leader John Thune endorses Trump in 2024 Republican primary

    Thune speaks with Trump by phone after the South Carolina primary, a source tells Fox News Digital


    Yeah, for sure.  No surprise there.  So many republican lawmakers following 45 down the rat hole of history's dark recesses. 
    The fools.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Biden
    shecky said:

    Exclusive: No 2 Senate Republican leader John Thune endorses Trump in 2024 Republican primary

    Thune speaks with Trump by phone after the South Carolina primary, a source tells Fox News Digital

    I'm going to go with an Exclusive prediction right here:  Chuck Schumer will in fact, endorse Biden.  I know these are crazy political times.  I'm also moving NY to "leans Biden" on my big board.  I do still have South Dakota as "toss up".  
  • Out of My Mind and Time
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
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    maga loves them some memes. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,411
    The Juggler said:
    maga loves them some memes. 
    I particularly like the “Biden committed crimes” for its comedic effect, although the rainbow wig is a nice touch. Too bad the clown wasn’t applying black face to really own the libs. Missed opportunity.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Out of My Mind and Time said:

    what's funny is I kept saying this exact same thing to you idiot magats about trump. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Biden
    Out of My Mind and Time said:


    See my post, bottom of this page.  Too funny!

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  • mickeyrat
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,229
    Biden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Out of My Mind and Time said:

    what's funny is I kept saying this exact same thing to you idiot magats about trump. 
    i am waiting on the ol' "i know you are but what am i" debate.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    What we need here is a Biden vs. POOTWH 2024 poll thread.
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  • smile6680
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    Trump
    benjs said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    I guess. It's tough being a moderate in today's world. The only way to balance things out is to vote for the other side when I see things going to far in one direction or the other. I'ts why I voted for Biden last time. I was hoping that this time around we would have better/new candidates. 

    I guess I can hope Haley gets nominated or Biden/the Democratic party decides to have someone replace him. 
    I think this kind of rationale is unfortunately not logical. You can’t combat extreme left behaviour with extreme right behaviour and expect normalization around the moderate center (it’s not like mixing black and white paint to form grey). 

    On track records, at this point it just fundamentally lacks truth to say that Biden’s tenure demonstrated more ‘extreme left’ than Trump did for the ‘extreme right’ during his (I don’t recall Biden related bans on incoming travellers based on nationality, insurrections he advocated for, tax cut g(r)ifts for the wealthy (ie himself and his family), etc. If you want more moderatism, you have to advocate for one of these candidates to come to the center, and Trump has shown zero ability to change or grow to-date.

    All of this is before we address the blatant dumbassery that was on display by Trump and every single soulless ring-kissing overpaid dipshit that he brought with him to grift from the public. If your moderatism is being questioned on here (it is by me at the very least), these reasons would be some of the reasons why. There is literally zero from Trump’s words or actions that suggests an ounce of moderatism inside that cold dead thing where Trump’s heart was supposed to be. 
    Sorry for not responding sooner. I don't read this forum often. I believe most if not all of what you wrote is correct. I'm just trying to point out what true moderates are feeling. Biden is not "healthy" enough to be president in a lot of moderates minds. 

    I believe that I've stated Trump isn't a great choice as both a person and or a politician. Or at least agreed with other posters opinions on that.  Mitch McConnell announced he was stepping down yesterday and I applaud him for that. I feel the same way about him as I do Biden. They aren't able to do the job anymore, so why would I support a person who isn't capable of such an important position. 

    Once again, The reason I'm pointing out his age/health is because he was once someone I would have considered a moderate. The last three plus years he is no longer the politician he was for the last 40 plus years. This makes us moderates wonder what/who we are voting for. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Biden
    smile6680 said:
    benjs said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    I guess. It's tough being a moderate in today's world. The only way to balance things out is to vote for the other side when I see things going to far in one direction or the other. I'ts why I voted for Biden last time. I was hoping that this time around we would have better/new candidates. 

    I guess I can hope Haley gets nominated or Biden/the Democratic party decides to have someone replace him. 
    I think this kind of rationale is unfortunately not logical. You can’t combat extreme left behaviour with extreme right behaviour and expect normalization around the moderate center (it’s not like mixing black and white paint to form grey). 

    On track records, at this point it just fundamentally lacks truth to say that Biden’s tenure demonstrated more ‘extreme left’ than Trump did for the ‘extreme right’ during his (I don’t recall Biden related bans on incoming travellers based on nationality, insurrections he advocated for, tax cut g(r)ifts for the wealthy (ie himself and his family), etc. If you want more moderatism, you have to advocate for one of these candidates to come to the center, and Trump has shown zero ability to change or grow to-date.

    All of this is before we address the blatant dumbassery that was on display by Trump and every single soulless ring-kissing overpaid dipshit that he brought with him to grift from the public. If your moderatism is being questioned on here (it is by me at the very least), these reasons would be some of the reasons why. There is literally zero from Trump’s words or actions that suggests an ounce of moderatism inside that cold dead thing where Trump’s heart was supposed to be. 
    Sorry for not responding sooner. I don't read this forum often. I believe most if not all of what you wrote is correct. I'm just trying to point out what true moderates are feeling. Biden is not "healthy" enough to be president in a lot of moderates minds. 

    I believe that I've stated Trump isn't a great choice as both a person and or a politician. Or at least agreed with other posters opinions on that.  Mitch McConnell announced he was stepping down yesterday and I applaud him for that. I feel the same way about him as I do Biden. They aren't able to do the job anymore, so why would I support a person who isn't capable of such an important position. 

    Once again, The reason I'm pointing out his age/health is because he was once someone I would have considered a moderate. The last three plus years he is no longer the politician he was for the last 40 plus years. This makes us moderates wonder what/who we are voting for. 
    Biden has plenty of moderate policies.  See NATO. Israel, monetary policy,  resisting Medicare 4 All, resisting restrictions on drilling,, leading to record BPD production.  In fact,  considering the pressure from the left, he should commended for all of the things he hasn't done.  

    And again,, it's a choice. Do you,  as a moderate,  really prefer MAGA policies? If you say yes you're either not really a moderate or unaware of MAGA priorities.  I'm a moderate,  center right economically and liberal socially.  I much prefer a doddering Biden than a criminal Trump who has done nothing but tear down our institutions for his own benefit. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Biden
    smile6680 said:
    benjs said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    I guess. It's tough being a moderate in today's world. The only way to balance things out is to vote for the other side when I see things going to far in one direction or the other. I'ts why I voted for Biden last time. I was hoping that this time around we would have better/new candidates. 

    I guess I can hope Haley gets nominated or Biden/the Democratic party decides to have someone replace him. 
    I think this kind of rationale is unfortunately not logical. You can’t combat extreme left behaviour with extreme right behaviour and expect normalization around the moderate center (it’s not like mixing black and white paint to form grey). 

    On track records, at this point it just fundamentally lacks truth to say that Biden’s tenure demonstrated more ‘extreme left’ than Trump did for the ‘extreme right’ during his (I don’t recall Biden related bans on incoming travellers based on nationality, insurrections he advocated for, tax cut g(r)ifts for the wealthy (ie himself and his family), etc. If you want more moderatism, you have to advocate for one of these candidates to come to the center, and Trump has shown zero ability to change or grow to-date.

    All of this is before we address the blatant dumbassery that was on display by Trump and every single soulless ring-kissing overpaid dipshit that he brought with him to grift from the public. If your moderatism is being questioned on here (it is by me at the very least), these reasons would be some of the reasons why. There is literally zero from Trump’s words or actions that suggests an ounce of moderatism inside that cold dead thing where Trump’s heart was supposed to be. 
    Sorry for not responding sooner. I don't read this forum often. I believe most if not all of what you wrote is correct. I'm just trying to point out what true moderates are feeling. Biden is not "healthy" enough to be president in a lot of moderates minds. 

    I believe that I've stated Trump isn't a great choice as both a person and or a politician. Or at least agreed with other posters opinions on that.  Mitch McConnell announced he was stepping down yesterday and I applaud him for that. I feel the same way about him as I do Biden. They aren't able to do the job anymore, so why would I support a person who isn't capable of such an important position. 

    Once again, The reason I'm pointing out his age/health is because he was once someone I would have considered a moderate. The last three plus years he is no longer the politician he was for the last 40 plus years. This makes us moderates wonder what/who we are voting for. 

    I think a lot of us totally get what you are say, and many of us feel the same concern about Biden's health.  But we also have to face the extreme likelihood that if you are going to vote in the presidential election, you will have the choice of voting for one of two people will win that election:  Biden or Trump.  We can't say that's a fact, but it's nearly so, and that means our choice is an elderly man, Biden, who believes in democracy and has done a fairly to very good job in his first term, or Trump who does not believe in Democracy and who cares about nothing but his own power and ego.  It simply boils down to voting for someone who is at least a fairly good human being, or someone who is anything but.  Yes, we would all like a better choice, for sure, but- and this is just my opinion- I don't understand how any clear thinking, compassionate, and intelligent person would vote for Trump over Biden.  Bad as the choices are, I would say the obvious choice is to go with Biden and then work like hell to get younger, more energetic, bright, hardworking people in office and save our democracy and save this country from the downward out of control spiral it is going through.  I'm probably too old for any of this to matter.  But if we don't stop moving in such mad and dangerous directions, the younger people in yours and my life will suffer greatly.  That's where my concern lies.

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  • Out of My Mind and Time
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    FJB! 
  • The Juggler
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    Meme guy never disappoints! 
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