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Bidenimagine celebrating "victories" in polls based on news from the prior week, 8 months before election day.
again, poll respondents do not make the results. the voters do."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Bidenshecky said:
It's not my bubble, it's Fox News reporting on a NEW YORK TIMES/SIENA COLLEGE poll and a USA TODAY/SUFFOLK UNIVERSITY poll. Both newspapers are liberal biased. Get real.gimmesometruth27 said:
more fox news. get out of your own bubble.shecky said:Trump leads Biden among Hispanics, registered voters overall: poll
46% of Hispanics said they would vote for Trump, while 40% said they would support Biden
Published March 2, 2024 2:15pm ESTFormer President Donald Trump holds a six-point lead over President Biden among Hispanic voters, according to a new survey released Saturday.
The New York Times/Siena College poll, which was conducted from February 25 to 28 and included responses from 980 registered voters nationwide, asked respondents whom they would support in the 2024 presidential election if it were held today.
Between candidates Biden and Trump, 46% of Hispanics who responded to the poll said they would vote for Trump, while 40% said they would support Biden. That's a big difference from Biden's 2020 general election support from Hispanics. Biden won 59% of the Hispanic vote to Trump's 38% that year, according to Pew Research.
Among all respondents who took part in the survey New York Times/Siena poll, Trump also leads Biden, with 48% saying they would vote for him and 43% insisting they would vote for Biden.
The newly released polling data falls in line with that of other recent surveys, many of which have shown Trump gaining support among Hispanics, and Biden losing support among the key voting bloc.
A USA Today/Suffolk University poll from late December showed Biden trailing Trump by five points among 1,000 likely voters in the Hispanic community.
Similarly, a Univision poll from late last year indicated that Trump is gaining ground among Hispanic voters with a 4% uptick in support among the key demographic from a January 2021 Univision poll.
Earlier this year, during an appearance on "Fox & Friends," Monet Flores-Bacs, the strategic director at the New Mexico-based nonprofit LIBRE Initiative, said the "[conservative] message is really resonating with us."
"Unfortunately, Biden's policies for Hispanics, for most Democrats, it's worked in the past, but we're feeling it at the grocery store, we're feeling it at the gas station. Even in just the last election, tax policy didn't affect even myself and other young voters the way that they do this election, so we're feeling it in our bank account at the grocery store. We're going to vote based on that," she continued.
YET NYT seems to be hyper-critically focused on Biden and age and passing mention of the admins accomplishments , yet very very little spoken of fuckstick and his myriad legal troubles both Civil AND CRIMINAL trials as well his escalating pattern of speech fuck ups much less his anti-constitution ideas regarding a lot of things......one might think a Liberal Biased paper or "news org" would be in the bag for said Democrat. But no and here we are.,.....Post edited by mickeyrat on_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Bidengimmesometruth27 said:
oh yes, a poll that will change 40 times between now and election day...shecky said:
It's not my bubble, it's Fox News reporting on a NEW YORK TIMES/SIENA COLLEGE poll and a USA TODAY/SUFFOLK UNIVERSITY poll. Both newspapers are liberal biased. Get real.gimmesometruth27 said:
more fox news. get out of your own bubble.shecky said:Trump leads Biden among Hispanics, registered voters overall: poll
46% of Hispanics said they would vote for Trump, while 40% said they would support Biden
Published March 2, 2024 2:15pm ESTFormer President Donald Trump holds a six-point lead over President Biden among Hispanic voters, according to a new survey released Saturday.
The New York Times/Siena College poll, which was conducted from February 25 to 28 and included responses from 980 registered voters nationwide, asked respondents whom they would support in the 2024 presidential election if it were held today.
Between candidates Biden and Trump, 46% of Hispanics who responded to the poll said they would vote for Trump, while 40% said they would support Biden. That's a big difference from Biden's 2020 general election support from Hispanics. Biden won 59% of the Hispanic vote to Trump's 38% that year, according to Pew Research.
Among all respondents who took part in the survey New York Times/Siena poll, Trump also leads Biden, with 48% saying they would vote for him and 43% insisting they would vote for Biden.
The newly released polling data falls in line with that of other recent surveys, many of which have shown Trump gaining support among Hispanics, and Biden losing support among the key voting bloc.
A USA Today/Suffolk University poll from late December showed Biden trailing Trump by five points among 1,000 likely voters in the Hispanic community.
Similarly, a Univision poll from late last year indicated that Trump is gaining ground among Hispanic voters with a 4% uptick in support among the key demographic from a January 2021 Univision poll.
Earlier this year, during an appearance on "Fox & Friends," Monet Flores-Bacs, the strategic director at the New Mexico-based nonprofit LIBRE Initiative, said the "[conservative] message is really resonating with us."
"Unfortunately, Biden's policies for Hispanics, for most Democrats, it's worked in the past, but we're feeling it at the grocery store, we're feeling it at the gas station. Even in just the last election, tax policy didn't affect even myself and other young voters the way that they do this election, so we're feeling it in our bank account at the grocery store. We're going to vote based on that," she continued.
trump isn't going to even make it to election day. the campaign trail is frying his brain. saying obama is president multiple times this week, calling haley pelosi, sweating at rallies when the temperature is not hot, slurring his speech, stumbling over words, inability to read what is on the teleprompter, etc. but do go on.Yup, way to wow your crowd, Trump:Trump confuses Obama for Biden again at Virginia rally speech
The crowd reportedly went silent as the Trump referenced Obama, who left office more than seven years ago.The former US president’s other gaffes include confusing his Republican rival Nikki Haley with former House speaker Nancy Pelosi.
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BidenTo be fair, Trump says that he mixes up names on purpose, so it must be true...and genius.0
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upon closer inspection of exactly WHO was polled in that nyt siena college poll, take a look. it is a trump voter poll, so of course he is going to win that poll.shecky said:
It's not my bubble, it's Fox News reporting on a NEW YORK TIMES/SIENA COLLEGE poll and a USA TODAY/SUFFOLK UNIVERSITY poll. Both newspapers are liberal biased. Get real.gimmesometruth27 said:
more fox news. get out of your own bubble.shecky said:Trump leads Biden among Hispanics, registered voters overall: poll
46% of Hispanics said they would vote for Trump, while 40% said they would support Biden
Published March 2, 2024 2:15pm ESTFormer President Donald Trump holds a six-point lead over President Biden among Hispanic voters, according to a new survey released Saturday.
The New York Times/Siena College poll, which was conducted from February 25 to 28 and included responses from 980 registered voters nationwide, asked respondents whom they would support in the 2024 presidential election if it were held today.
Between candidates Biden and Trump, 46% of Hispanics who responded to the poll said they would vote for Trump, while 40% said they would support Biden. That's a big difference from Biden's 2020 general election support from Hispanics. Biden won 59% of the Hispanic vote to Trump's 38% that year, according to Pew Research.
Among all respondents who took part in the survey New York Times/Siena poll, Trump also leads Biden, with 48% saying they would vote for him and 43% insisting they would vote for Biden.
The newly released polling data falls in line with that of other recent surveys, many of which have shown Trump gaining support among Hispanics, and Biden losing support among the key voting bloc.
A USA Today/Suffolk University poll from late December showed Biden trailing Trump by five points among 1,000 likely voters in the Hispanic community.
Similarly, a Univision poll from late last year indicated that Trump is gaining ground among Hispanic voters with a 4% uptick in support among the key demographic from a January 2021 Univision poll.
Earlier this year, during an appearance on "Fox & Friends," Monet Flores-Bacs, the strategic director at the New Mexico-based nonprofit LIBRE Initiative, said the "[conservative] message is really resonating with us."
"Unfortunately, Biden's policies for Hispanics, for most Democrats, it's worked in the past, but we're feeling it at the grocery store, we're feeling it at the gas station. Even in just the last election, tax policy didn't affect even myself and other young voters the way that they do this election, so we're feeling it in our bank account at the grocery store. We're going to vote based on that," she continued.
38% degreed vs 61% no degree
22% midwesterners, 20% northeasterners, 23% west coasters AND 35% SOUTHERNERS
24% city dwellers vs 35% RURAL voters
with respondents like that, trump should be +15 in that poll.
editing because i forgot the link...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/03/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voter-crosstabs.html
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Bidenalways question these fucking things.who was polled. what was asked. HOW was it asked._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Biden
Not that most MAGA fans will accept it, but thanks for clarifying this issue!gimmesometruth27 said:
upon closer inspection of exactly WHO was polled in that nyt siena college poll, take a look. it is a trump voter poll, so of course he is going to win that poll.shecky said:
It's not my bubble, it's Fox News reporting on a NEW YORK TIMES/SIENA COLLEGE poll and a USA TODAY/SUFFOLK UNIVERSITY poll. Both newspapers are liberal biased. Get real.gimmesometruth27 said:
more fox news. get out of your own bubble.shecky said:Trump leads Biden among Hispanics, registered voters overall: poll
46% of Hispanics said they would vote for Trump, while 40% said they would support Biden
Published March 2, 2024 2:15pm ESTFormer President Donald Trump holds a six-point lead over President Biden among Hispanic voters, according to a new survey released Saturday.
The New York Times/Siena College poll, which was conducted from February 25 to 28 and included responses from 980 registered voters nationwide, asked respondents whom they would support in the 2024 presidential election if it were held today.
Between candidates Biden and Trump, 46% of Hispanics who responded to the poll said they would vote for Trump, while 40% said they would support Biden. That's a big difference from Biden's 2020 general election support from Hispanics. Biden won 59% of the Hispanic vote to Trump's 38% that year, according to Pew Research.
Among all respondents who took part in the survey New York Times/Siena poll, Trump also leads Biden, with 48% saying they would vote for him and 43% insisting they would vote for Biden.
The newly released polling data falls in line with that of other recent surveys, many of which have shown Trump gaining support among Hispanics, and Biden losing support among the key voting bloc.
A USA Today/Suffolk University poll from late December showed Biden trailing Trump by five points among 1,000 likely voters in the Hispanic community.
Similarly, a Univision poll from late last year indicated that Trump is gaining ground among Hispanic voters with a 4% uptick in support among the key demographic from a January 2021 Univision poll.
Earlier this year, during an appearance on "Fox & Friends," Monet Flores-Bacs, the strategic director at the New Mexico-based nonprofit LIBRE Initiative, said the "[conservative] message is really resonating with us."
"Unfortunately, Biden's policies for Hispanics, for most Democrats, it's worked in the past, but we're feeling it at the grocery store, we're feeling it at the gas station. Even in just the last election, tax policy didn't affect even myself and other young voters the way that they do this election, so we're feeling it in our bank account at the grocery store. We're going to vote based on that," she continued.
38% degreed vs 61% no degree
22% midwesterners, 20% northeasterners, 23% west coasters AND 35% SOUTHERNERS
24% city dwellers vs 35% RURAL voters
with respondents like that, trump should be +15 in that poll.
editing because i forgot the link...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/03/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voter-crosstabs.html
This ^^^, for sure!mickeyrat said:always question these fucking things.who was polled. what was asked. HOW was it asked.
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Bidenhttps://apnews.com/article/electors-trump-settlement-ballot-2020-wisconsin-f416cd04adfa9f92c382b7c9e8a94ce7 Settlement in Wisconsin fake elector case offers new details on the strategy by Trump lawyersSettlement in Wisconsin fake elector case offers new details on the strategy by Trump lawyersBy SOPHIA TAREEN13 mins ago
Two attorneys for then-President Donald Trump orchestrated a plan for fake electors to file paperwork falsely saying the Republican won Wisconsin in a strategy to overturn Joe Biden’s 2020 victory there and in other swing states, according to a lawsuit settlement reached Monday that makes public months of texts and emails.
Under their agreements, Kenneth Chesebro and Jim Troupis turned over more than 1,400 pages of documents, emails and text messages, along with photos and video, offering a detailed account of the scheme’s origins in Wisconsin. The communications show how they, with coordination from Trump campaign officials, replicated the strategy in six other states including Georgia, where Chesebro has already pleaded guilty to charges stemming from the 2020 election.
The agreements settle a civil lawsuit brought by Democrats in 2022 against the two attorneys and 10 Republicans in Wisconsin who posed as fake electors. The Republicans settled in December.
“Our democracy demands better than this,” said Scott Thompson, one of the plaintiffs' attorneys who helped negotiate the agreements. “That is why this lawsuit … consistently sought transparency, accountability and deterrence. We can’t let this happen again.”
There is no admission of wrongdoing or liability in the agreements in which Chesebro and Troupis promise to never participate in similar efforts involving future presidential campaigns. Troupis must also pay an undisclosed amount to the plaintiffs.
Electors are people appointed to represent voters in presidential elections. The winner of the popular vote in each state determines which party’s electors are sent to the Electoral College, which meets in December after the election to certify the outcome.
The documents show how Chesebro and Troupis, Trump’s attorney in Wisconsin, used arcane laws in rationalizing and drafting the false certificates for the fake electors. They also reveal how the two strategized ways to delay deadlines for certifying electoral votes and sway public opinion, including floating ideas on conservative talk radio.
In November 2020, as they were awaiting a decision from the then-conservative leaning Wisconsin Supreme Court on Trump’s effort to invalidate thousands of votes in the state, Chesebro suggested to Troupis that they contact conservative radio hosts in Milwaukee and Madison: “Mostly to maximize the chance that SCOW (Supreme Court of Wisconsin) justices hear about this quickly and prejudge the case?”
He ended with a winking emoji.
The fake elector efforts are central to an August federal indictment filed against Trump alleging he tried to overturn results of the 2020 election. Federal prosecutors, investigating his conduct related to the Jan. 6, 2021, U.S. Capitol riot, have also said the scheme originated in Wisconsin. Trump also faces charges in Georgia and has denied wrongdoing.
Michigan and Nevada have criminally charged fake electors, but there’s no known criminal investigation in Wisconsin.
Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Kaul, a Democrat, has suggested he’s relying on federal investigators while also not ruling out a state probe. Attorneys who negotiated the settlement said information in the documents has already been provided to Kaul’s office.
Monday’s agreements were announced by Georgetown University Law Center’s Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection, Law Forward and the Madison-based Stafford Rosenbaum law firm.
According to the plaintiffs’ attorneys, the documents show how Troupis, an attorney who has represented the Republican Party of Wisconsin and is a former judge, was deeply involved in the origins of the effort.
Trump lost Wisconsin to Biden, a Democrat, by fewer than 21,000 votes.
At Troupis’ urging, Chesebro drafted memos in the final months of 2020 detailing how to prepare the fake elector certificates and how they should be signed. The documents include a 10-minute video of the fake electors who cheer and take photos as they cast and sign ballots for Trump at the Wisconsin State Capitol.
There are no direct communications with Trump in the documents, but there are exchanges with top campaign aides and Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani.
A day after Chesebro shares a Dec. 6 memo on strategies, Troupis follows up via text: “I have sent it to the White House this afternoon. The real decision makers.”
There’s a brief mention of a Dec. 16 afternoon meeting with Trump in the Oval Office that both men attended with others. Three days later, Chesebro refers to Trump's social media post summoning followers to Washington on Jan. 6, saying “Be there, will be wild!”
“Wow. Based on three days ago, I think we have a unique understanding of this,” Chesebro texts Troupis.
Trump campaign officials did offer their assessment of each state’s progress on the fake elector plan.
“Wisconsin appears to be the most organized state so far,” concludes a Dec. 11, 2020, email from Trump campaign associate general counsel Joshua Findlay to Chesebro.
“This all came out of Wisconsin and expanded to other states," said attorney Mary McCord with Georgetown’s institute, who helped negotiate the settlement. “That was a significant part of the narrative that led to the violence on Jan 6.”
After the deadly attack at the Capitol, the attorneys discussed falsely deflecting blame from Trump supporters to members of the anti-fascist movement, among others.
“It’d be nice if Trump surrogates could get across that without antifa’s role in the actual breaking in … the scene at the Capitol would have been entirely peaceful. And that Trump could not (have) reasonably foreseen this,” Chesebro wrote in a text to Troupis.
He added, “The President can put this behind him if he invites Biden and (Vice President Kamala) Harris over for coffee on inauguration morning and attends the (virtual) inauguration.”
Government and outside investigationshave uniformly found there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have swung the 2020 election. But Trump has continued to spread falsehoods about the election.
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Were you asking these questions four years ago when Biden was leading just about all of them?mickeyrat said:always question these fucking things.who was polled. what was asked. HOW was it asked.www.myspace.com0 -
BidenThe Juggler said:
Were you asking these questions four years ago when Biden was leading just about all of them?mickeyrat said:always question these fucking things.who was polled. what was asked. HOW was it asked.ummm I really dont recall basing my thoughts on the candidate and campaign based on polling after the rampant failures of same during 2016 . And if I was. welp this is where I am nowthe time since 18, 20, 22 have proved polls mean shit, have meant shit.I'm not fretting an election. Am in wait and see what happens and to be as informed from a variety of sources as I can be. About all of it. The cases, the election and whatever else.will have to find a way to live with whatever comes anyway, so really what is the motherfucking point in the first place? Wasted energy, no?Do what I can do and move through what comes the best I can. And hope for better than we have, are and seem to trending toward.so do go on about polls if it floats you, but do us a favor and offer the breakdown of the aforementioned questions as well, ok?Post edited by mickeyrat on_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Well let me rephrase then: if Biden was leading this time like he was last time, would you still say you need to ask those questions though?mickeyrat said:The Juggler said:
Were you asking these questions four years ago when Biden was leading just about all of them?mickeyrat said:always question these fucking things.who was polled. what was asked. HOW was it asked.ummm I really dont recall basing my thoughts on the candidate and campaign based on polling after the rampant failures of same during 2016 . And if I was. welp this is where I am nowthe time since 18, 20, 22 have proved polls mean shit, have meant shit.I'm not fretting an election. Am in wait and see what happens and to be as informed from a variety of sources as I can be. About all of it. The cases, the election and whatever else.will have to find a way to live with whatever comes anyway, so really what is the motherfucking point in the first place? Wasted energy, no?Do what I can do and move through what comes the best I can. And hope for better than we have, are and seem to trending toward.so do go on about polls if it floats you, but do us a favor and offer the breakdown of the aforementioned questions as well, ok?
Polling was not far off at all in 2020 and 2016.
Look, I think Biden will ultimately win again too. However a lot of my belief in that was that at least one of these damn trials would actually take place. Now it seems very likely they will not, except for the weakest one in NY.
The other problem is, despite things objectively improving everywhere you look, people are not realizing it and/or are not giving Biden credit for it. This speaks to an issue the dems have had forever, which is messaging.
Then you have these dopes on the far left who seem to be willing to throw away our country's future over what's happening in Gaza.
This is a real problem. I just can't understand the confidence some of you guys have right now.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
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Dementia Joe now can't even read his cue cards. FJB!
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Does it bother you when Dementia Don veers from his teleprompter and calls Dementia Joe "Obama"? Or when Dementia Don veers from his teleprompter and calls Nikki Haley "Nancy Pelosi"?Out of My Mind and Time said:Dementia Joe now can't even read his cue cards. FJB!
How about this? https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4Bovn4yeYJ/
Or does "Doctor Eli David" not tweet about that?
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BidenThe Juggler said:
Well let me rephrase then: if Biden was leading this time like he was last time, would you still say you need to ask those questions though?mickeyrat said:The Juggler said:
Were you asking these questions four years ago when Biden was leading just about all of them?mickeyrat said:always question these fucking things.who was polled. what was asked. HOW was it asked.ummm I really dont recall basing my thoughts on the candidate and campaign based on polling after the rampant failures of same during 2016 . And if I was. welp this is where I am nowthe time since 18, 20, 22 have proved polls mean shit, have meant shit.I'm not fretting an election. Am in wait and see what happens and to be as informed from a variety of sources as I can be. About all of it. The cases, the election and whatever else.will have to find a way to live with whatever comes anyway, so really what is the motherfucking point in the first place? Wasted energy, no?Do what I can do and move through what comes the best I can. And hope for better than we have, are and seem to trending toward.so do go on about polls if it floats you, but do us a favor and offer the breakdown of the aforementioned questions as well, ok?
Polling was not far off at all in 2020 and 2016.
Look, I think Biden will ultimately win again too. However a lot of my belief in that was that at least one of these damn trials would actually take place. Now it seems very likely they will not, except for the weakest one in NY.
The other problem is, despite things objectively improving everywhere you look, people are not realizing it and/or are not giving Biden credit for it. This speaks to an issue the dems have had forever, which is messaging.
Then you have these dopes on the far left who seem to be willing to throw away our country's future over what's happening in Gaza.
This is a real problem. I just can't understand the confidence some of you guys have right now.yes, I want to know who is polled, what the fuck is asked , how the fuck they ask it. These things are easily manipulated based on incoming perception vs what and how a thing is asked.Back to Obama, it was found when asked if you approve of Obama by a certain political demographic then Fuck no, hang the motherfucker. But ask individual neutral questions surrounding policy then these same motherfuckers were FOR those things the Obama team was advocating for.Let me ask you, because its not confidence I have per se but a willingness to accept what is and will be and move through that the best I can, but how much time are you spending reading, digesting this shit that might be better spent on things you have even a modicum of control over?side note, I define acceptance as the acknowledgement of reality as it is and not condoning or approving or whatever. Simply saying yes the thing is the thing._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Biden
I get your first point in bold...however when its EVERY SINGLE POLL, after he lead them all four years ago, you need to take that into consideration.mickeyrat said:The Juggler said:
Well let me rephrase then: if Biden was leading this time like he was last time, would you still say you need to ask those questions though?mickeyrat said:The Juggler said:
Were you asking these questions four years ago when Biden was leading just about all of them?mickeyrat said:always question these fucking things.who was polled. what was asked. HOW was it asked.ummm I really dont recall basing my thoughts on the candidate and campaign based on polling after the rampant failures of same during 2016 . And if I was. welp this is where I am nowthe time since 18, 20, 22 have proved polls mean shit, have meant shit.I'm not fretting an election. Am in wait and see what happens and to be as informed from a variety of sources as I can be. About all of it. The cases, the election and whatever else.will have to find a way to live with whatever comes anyway, so really what is the motherfucking point in the first place? Wasted energy, no?Do what I can do and move through what comes the best I can. And hope for better than we have, are and seem to trending toward.so do go on about polls if it floats you, but do us a favor and offer the breakdown of the aforementioned questions as well, ok?
Polling was not far off at all in 2020 and 2016.
Look, I think Biden will ultimately win again too. However a lot of my belief in that was that at least one of these damn trials would actually take place. Now it seems very likely they will not, except for the weakest one in NY.
The other problem is, despite things objectively improving everywhere you look, people are not realizing it and/or are not giving Biden credit for it. This speaks to an issue the dems have had forever, which is messaging.
Then you have these dopes on the far left who seem to be willing to throw away our country's future over what's happening in Gaza.
This is a real problem. I just can't understand the confidence some of you guys have right now.yes, I want to know who is polled, what the fuck is asked , how the fuck they ask it. These things are easily manipulated based on incoming perception vs what and how a thing is asked.Back to Obama, it was found when asked if you approve of Obama by a certain political demographic then Fuck no, hang the motherfucker. But ask individual neutral questions surrounding policy then these same motherfuckers were FOR those things the Obama team was advocating for.Let me ask you, because its not confidence I have per se but a willingness to accept what is and will be and move through that the best I can, but how much time are you spending reading, digesting this shit that might be better spent on things you have even a modicum of control over?side note, I define acceptance as the acknowledgement of reality as it is and not condoning or approving or whatever. Simply saying yes the thing is the thing.
To your second point in bold: Not nearly as much as I would be if the results were better. It's too depressing. lol
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