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Here's the "takeaway" (since that's the latest buzz word) as I see it, from tonight's debate:
In the debate earlier this evening there occurred what I see as a defining moment as to where we are at regarding the highest political level in the U.S. That moment happened when two old men running for the highest office in our country started to argue about their golfing handicaps. Right out of my mouth came the words, "Are you shitting me?" That moment was both embarrassing and disgraceful.
Now, granted, anyone with half a brain (and, amazingly, there apparently are a hell of a lot of people with less than that) will understand why Joe Biden is the better choice of candidates for president of the United States. He may be old, he may be tired, but he is not a bald-faced liar, he's not a convicted felon, and he still believes in democracy. But that said, we as a nation are at an extremely low point in our history. Maybe not the lowest ever, but when we reach a low of this magnitude, it can only mean trouble. It's unsettling to me to think about how serious the situation is. It's simply that bad.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Here's the "takeaway" (since that's the latest buzz word) as I see it, from tonight's debate:
In the debate earlier this evening there occurred what I see as a defining moment as to where we are at regarding the highest political level in the U.S. That moment happened when two old men running for the highest office in our country started to argue about their golfing handicaps. Right out of my mouth came the words, "Are you shitting me?" That moment was both embarrassing and disgraceful.
Now, granted, anyone with half a brain (and, amazingly, there apparently are a hell of a lot of people with less than that) will understand why Joe Biden is the better choice of candidates for president of the United States. He may be old, he may be tired, but he is not a bald-faced liar, he's not a convicted felon, and he still believes in democracy. But that said, we as a nation are at an extremely low point in our history. Maybe not the lowest ever, but when we reach a low of this magnitude, it can only mean trouble. It's unsettling to me to think about how serious the situation is. It's simply that bad.
I watched five minutes and had to turn it off. Biden sounds like an old feeble man. Is he the smarter of the two? Yes. Does he look like he can lead the country? No.
This is why Kennedy beat Nixon all those years ago. Perception.
Here's the "takeaway" (since that's the latest buzz word) as I see it, from tonight's debate:
In the debate earlier this evening there occurred what I see as a defining moment as to where we are at regarding the highest political level in the U.S. That moment happened when two old men running for the highest office in our country started to argue about their golfing handicaps. Right out of my mouth came the words, "Are you shitting me?" That moment was both embarrassing and disgraceful.
Now, granted, anyone with half a brain (and, amazingly, there apparently are a hell of a lot of people with less than that) will understand why Joe Biden is the better choice of candidates for president of the United States. He may be old, he may be tired, but he is not a bald-faced liar, he's not a convicted felon, and he still believes in democracy. But that said, we as a nation are at an extremely low point in our history. Maybe not the lowest ever, but when we reach a low of this magnitude, it can only mean trouble. It's unsettling to me to think about how serious the situation is. It's simply that bad.
I watched five minutes and had to turn it off. Biden sounds like an old feeble man. Is he the smarter of the two? Yes. Does he look like he can lead the country? No.
This is why Kennedy beat Nixon all those years ago. Perception.
Did it look like Trump can lead this country? I mean, I think we can all acknowledge Joe is old, but Trump is a criminally convicted lying moron with no plan for this country. The fact Republicans are taking laps because Trump was Trump is pathetic. No Democrat is taking laps because Biden was Biden and showed his age. It's ridiculous that anyone outside the red hats would celebrate that performance last night. Jesus Christ, what a disaster indeed.
We need a floor vote at the Democratic National Convention with several potential candidates being nominated. I'd take the following, if only because they have integrity and can communicate the policies of a dem administration. Anyone of the below would destroy POOTWH in a debate but he'd run scared and refuse to debate. Not likely to see a floor fight for the nomination either. UGH.
Gina Raimondo Gavin Newsome Pete Buttigieg Kamala Harris Josh Shapiro
I'm surprised you are leaving Gretchen Whitmer off of this list. I would say it's between Newsome and Whitmer, personally. I really like Wes Boyd, gov of MD, but he's a little young so maybe not quite his time.
I think we need to think of this as the gift it is. We are lucky this debate came so early. The polls will drop for Biden, as we saw in the post debate poll. That will ramp up the pressure on Joe to retire, which he probably should.
It would be late but I guarantee you the dems would rally big time behind Newsome. I cannot imagine how that debate would have gone last night if it would have been Trump/Newsome.
I was at a concert so I didn't see the debate but I was surprised at how the dems were immediately freaking out.
Biden missed a lot of attack lines. It was fucking Gen Kelly (tRump's fucking chief of staff) that said tRump made the "losers" comment to. That would have been a powerful response to tRump saying Biden made it up...it was tRump's own guy.
In the end Biden didn't give a good performance and tRump lied about fucking everything. Especially about Jan 6th
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Isn’t it a tad late in the game to look for a new candidate? And it would make the dems seem desperate
Yes, and appropriately so. Desperation is needed.
I vote for Whitmer for nominee.
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It used to be the at the conventions were the actual nominating bodies and going into it, you didn't know who the candidate would be. They were not just celebrations. It's probably been 60 years since we have had a true floor vote in a convention, so this would be fascinating. The tough part today is the infrastructure, but if the Biden campaign team generally stayed in place, with the infrastructure, it could be done.
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Biden is on the ballot in every state.
to switch that now? 5 months before the election and only a couple before state deadlines for ballot inclusion?
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We need a floor vote at the Democratic National Convention with several potential candidates being nominated. I'd take the following, if only because they have integrity and can communicate the policies of a dem administration. Anyone of the below would destroy POOTWH in a debate but he'd run scared and refuse to debate. Not likely to see a floor fight for the nomination either. UGH.
Gina Raimondo Gavin Newsome Pete Buttigieg Kamala Harris Josh Shapiro
I'm surprised you are leaving Gretchen Whitmer off of this list. I would say it's between Newsome and Whitmer, personally. I really like Wes Boyd, gov of MD, but he's a little young so maybe not quite his time.
I think we need to think of this as the gift it is. We are lucky this debate came so early. The polls will drop for Biden, as we saw in the post debate poll. That will ramp up the pressure on Joe to retire, which he probably should.
The only path for a new candidate would be a serious health issue or Joe decided to retire gracefully.
Although the below is a fine list, not sure how Harris getting pushed aside wouldn’t be a second major attack by MAGA
Gina Raimondo , no name recognition
Gavin Newsome, YES
Pete Buttigieg, In Canada maybe but this country is far from ready to elect him
Kamala Harris
Josh Shapiro, excellent politician, but given his ethnicity, and especially in this red green insanity within the Democratic Party, unfortunately not a chance.
edit, forgot Whitmer, but similar to Pete and Josh, not in racist America.
Here's the "takeaway" (since that's the latest buzz word) as I see it, from tonight's debate:
In the debate earlier this evening there occurred what I see as a defining moment as to where we are at regarding the highest political level in the U.S. That moment happened when two old men running for the highest office in our country started to argue about their golfing handicaps. Right out of my mouth came the words, "Are you shitting me?" That moment was both embarrassing and disgraceful.
Now, granted, anyone with half a brain (and, amazingly, there apparently are a hell of a lot of people with less than that) will understand why Joe Biden is the better choice of candidates for president of the United States. He may be old, he may be tired, but he is not a bald-faced liar, he's not a convicted felon, and he still believes in democracy. But that said, we as a nation are at an extremely low point in our history. Maybe not the lowest ever, but when we reach a low of this magnitude, it can only mean trouble. It's unsettling to me to think about how serious the situation is. It's simply that bad.
We need a floor vote at the Democratic National Convention with several potential candidates being nominated. I'd take the following, if only because they have integrity and can communicate the policies of a dem administration. Anyone of the below would destroy POOTWH in a debate but he'd run scared and refuse to debate. Not likely to see a floor fight for the nomination either. UGH.
Gina Raimondo Gavin Newsome Pete Buttigieg Kamala Harris Josh Shapiro
I'm surprised you are leaving Gretchen Whitmer off of this list. I would say it's between Newsome and Whitmer, personally. I really like Wes Boyd, gov of MD, but he's a little young so maybe not quite his time.
I think we need to think of this as the gift it is. We are lucky this debate came so early. The polls will drop for Biden, as we saw in the post debate poll. That will ramp up the pressure on Joe to retire, which he probably should.
I thought of Gretchen and then thought of her history with Michigan and how it’d be too easy for repubs to paint her in a bad light. Something about all those red hat open carry people with rifles slung over their shoulders carrying on about communism or some such nonsense. Bottom line, add her to the list along with a few others I’ve probably missed. Nominate a fucking stool or chair at this point. But an actual floor race at the convention would be fascinating.
Here's the "takeaway" (since that's the latest buzz word) as I see it, from tonight's debate:
In the debate earlier this evening there occurred what I see as a defining moment as to where we are at regarding the highest political level in the U.S. That moment happened when two old men running for the highest office in our country started to argue about their golfing handicaps. Right out of my mouth came the words, "Are you shitting me?" That moment was both embarrassing and disgraceful.
Now, granted, anyone with half a brain (and, amazingly, there apparently are a hell of a lot of people with less than that) will understand why Joe Biden is the better choice of candidates for president of the United States. He may be old, he may be tired, but he is not a bald-faced liar, he's not a convicted felon, and he still believes in democracy. But that said, we as a nation are at an extremely low point in our history. Maybe not the lowest ever, but when we reach a low of this magnitude, it can only mean trouble. It's unsettling to me to think about how serious the situation is. It's simply that bad.
I watched five minutes and had to turn it off. Biden sounds like an old feeble man. Is he the smarter of the two? Yes. Does he look like he can lead the country? No.
This is why Kennedy beat Nixon all those years ago. Perception.
Did it look like Trump can lead this country? I mean, I think we can all acknowledge Joe is old, but Trump is a criminally convicted lying moron with no plan for this country. The fact Republicans are taking laps because Trump was Trump is pathetic. No Democrat is taking laps because Biden was Biden and showed his age. It's ridiculous that anyone outside the red hats would celebrate that performance last night. Jesus Christ, what a disaster indeed.
Yes, it did look like he can lead. Through the lens of anyone out there who can possibly be undecided or wading into the Trump pool... Trump looked a lot stronger and forceful than Biden. It also helped that the format was to turn the microphone off, so Trump never appeared to look like a cruel bully. Objectively, that was Trump's best debate performance to-date. Trump bombastically says he will end Ukraine. You kind of almost believe him going up against a punching bag/tomato can opponent.
on the other hand, Biden is inspiring zero people to go to the polls. The only motivation is to keep trump out. It is a strong motivation and will get a lot of votes... but this thing is going to come down to 1,000s of people in a handful of states. Biden is a sunk ship in this. They have been saying he is too old and frail, and that was given full life for 90 minutes last night and that is going to be on everyone's mind all Summer.
This actually may turn out as a good thing because it was so severe, that it might force change to the ticket, and this is the time to do it. 2 Months before the convention. Get someone younger and with some vigor, but not someone too idealistic.
to switch that now? 5 months before the election and only a couple before state deadlines for ballot inclusion?
not possible. so just stop.
Biden is not officially nominated. I thought Alabama and Ohio were the only two states that had deadlines before teh convention, and they were trying to amend that.
We need a floor vote at the Democratic National Convention with several potential candidates being nominated. I'd take the following, if only because they have integrity and can communicate the policies of a dem administration. Anyone of the below would destroy POOTWH in a debate but he'd run scared and refuse to debate. Not likely to see a floor fight for the nomination either. UGH.
Gina Raimondo Gavin Newsome Pete Buttigieg Kamala Harris Josh Shapiro
I'm surprised you are leaving Gretchen Whitmer off of this list. I would say it's between Newsome and Whitmer, personally. I really like Wes Boyd, gov of MD, but he's a little young so maybe not quite his time.
I think we need to think of this as the gift it is. We are lucky this debate came so early. The polls will drop for Biden, as we saw in the post debate poll. That will ramp up the pressure on Joe to retire, which he probably should.
The only path for a new candidate would be a serious health issue or Joe decided to retire gracefully.
Although the below is a fine list, not sure how Harris getting pushed aside wouldn’t be a second major attack by MAGA
Gina Raimondo , no name recognition
Gavin Newsome, YES
Pete Buttigieg, In Canada maybe but this country is far from ready to elect him
Kamala Harris
Josh Shapiro, excellent politician, but given his ethnicity, and especially in this red green insanity within the Democratic Party, unfortunately not a chance.
edit, forgot Whitmer, but similar to Pete and Josh, not in racist America.
The premise is Joe withdraws. He can't be pushed aside because I believe Joe has won enough regular delegates to secure the nomination. But we would have to check that against the super delegate count.
We need a floor vote at the Democratic National Convention with several potential candidates being nominated. I'd take the following, if only because they have integrity and can communicate the policies of a dem administration. Anyone of the below would destroy POOTWH in a debate but he'd run scared and refuse to debate. Not likely to see a floor fight for the nomination either. UGH.
Gina Raimondo Gavin Newsome Pete Buttigieg Kamala Harris Josh Shapiro
I'm surprised you are leaving Gretchen Whitmer off of this list. I would say it's between Newsome and Whitmer, personally. I really like Wes Boyd, gov of MD, but he's a little young so maybe not quite his time.
I think we need to think of this as the gift it is. We are lucky this debate came so early. The polls will drop for Biden, as we saw in the post debate poll. That will ramp up the pressure on Joe to retire, which he probably should.
The only path for a new candidate would be a serious health issue or Joe decided to retire gracefully.
Although the below is a fine list, not sure how Harris getting pushed aside wouldn’t be a second major attack by MAGA
Gina Raimondo , no name recognition
Gavin Newsome, YES
Pete Buttigieg, In Canada maybe but this country is far from ready to elect him
Kamala Harris
Josh Shapiro, excellent politician, but given his ethnicity, and especially in this red green insanity within the Democratic Party, unfortunately not a chance.
edit, forgot Whitmer, but similar to Pete and Josh, not in racist America.
Shapiro would be a great candidate but he's literally been governor for 18 months - I think he needs more time. And honestly he hasn't accomplished all that much beyond fixing I-95.
For some reason people really hate Kamala - I think she'd be fine as a candidate though (although she was pretty lousy as a POTUS candidate in 2020). I was longing for Gretchen Whitmer to be the candidate driving through Michigan on our recent trip. But yeah, super sexist nation, moreso than racist.
Newsom & Buttigieg would be great.
by the way... Anyone who thinks Trump did well last night is just as delusional as he is. He absolutely did not pick up any swing voters or "double haters."
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Here's the "takeaway" (since that's the latest buzz word) as I see it, from tonight's debate:
In the debate earlier this evening there occurred what I see as a defining moment as to where we are at regarding the highest political level in the U.S. That moment happened when two old men running for the highest office in our country started to argue about their golfing handicaps. Right out of my mouth came the words, "Are you shitting me?" That moment was both embarrassing and disgraceful.
Now, granted, anyone with half a brain (and, amazingly, there apparently are a hell of a lot of people with less than that) will understand why Joe Biden is the better choice of candidates for president of the United States. He may be old, he may be tired, but he is not a bald-faced liar, he's not a convicted felon, and he still believes in democracy. But that said, we as a nation are at an extremely low point in our history. Maybe not the lowest ever, but when we reach a low of this magnitude, it can only mean trouble. It's unsettling to me to think about how serious the situation is. It's simply that bad.
I watched five minutes and had to turn it off. Biden sounds like an old feeble man. Is he the smarter of the two? Yes. Does he look like he can lead the country? No.
This is why Kennedy beat Nixon all those years ago. Perception.
Did it look like Trump can lead this country? I mean, I think we can all acknowledge Joe is old, but Trump is a criminally convicted lying moron with no plan for this country. The fact Republicans are taking laps because Trump was Trump is pathetic. No Democrat is taking laps because Biden was Biden and showed his age. It's ridiculous that anyone outside the red hats would celebrate that performance last night. Jesus Christ, what a disaster indeed.
No democrat is taking laps cause Biden was awful, even worse then the lowest expectations. He was that bad.
And we already know the MAGA are ok with trump being trump, so they would be happy with that debate. Cause the lies don't matter to them and he certainly seemed like the more coherent person on stage if you aren't concerned with the lies.
To be fair, Trump, for him, was measured. So while I am certainly never voting for Trump, he exceeded the low expectations I had for him but not acting like a completely deranged moron...just a moron. And Biden was worse than my low expectations cause he had no fire whatsoever and had MULTIPLE moments of forgetting what he was saying and standing in silence. It was a disaster for Biden.
But, if somehow he can turn it around and the Sept debates happen, he can re-write the narrative. If I were Trump's camp, I'd cancel all future debates.
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Biden needs to step down from 2024 before he dooms us all.
This is why Kennedy beat Nixon all those years ago. Perception.
I think we need to think of this as the gift it is. We are lucky this debate came so early. The polls will drop for Biden, as we saw in the post debate poll. That will ramp up the pressure on Joe to retire, which he probably should.
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I was at a concert so I didn't see the debate but I was surprised at how the dems were immediately freaking out.
Biden missed a lot of attack lines. It was fucking Gen Kelly (tRump's fucking chief of staff) that said tRump made the "losers" comment to. That would have been a powerful response to tRump saying Biden made it up...it was tRump's own guy.
In the end Biden didn't give a good performance and tRump lied about fucking everything. Especially about Jan 6th
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I vote for Whitmer for nominee.
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Gavin Newsome, YES
Pete Buttigieg, In Canada maybe but this country is far from ready to elect him
Kamala Harris
Josh Shapiro, excellent politician, but given his ethnicity, and especially in this red green insanity within the Democratic Party, unfortunately not a chance.
edit, forgot Whitmer, but similar to Pete and Josh, not in racist America.
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Through the lens of anyone out there who can possibly be undecided or wading into the Trump pool... Trump looked a lot stronger and forceful than Biden. It also helped that the format was to turn the microphone off, so Trump never appeared to look like a cruel bully. Objectively, that was Trump's best debate performance to-date. Trump bombastically says he will end Ukraine. You kind of almost believe him going up against a punching bag/tomato can opponent.
on the other hand, Biden is inspiring zero people to go to the polls. The only motivation is to keep trump out. It is a strong motivation and will get a lot of votes... but this thing is going to come down to 1,000s of people in a handful of states. Biden is a sunk ship in this. They have been saying he is too old and frail, and that was given full life for 90 minutes last night and that is going to be on everyone's mind all Summer.
This actually may turn out as a good thing because it was so severe, that it might force change to the ticket, and this is the time to do it. 2 Months before the convention. Get someone younger and with some vigor, but not someone too idealistic.
For some reason people really hate Kamala - I think she'd be fine as a candidate though (although she was pretty lousy as a POTUS candidate in 2020). I was longing for Gretchen Whitmer to be the candidate driving through Michigan on our recent trip. But yeah, super sexist nation, moreso than racist.
Newsom & Buttigieg would be great.
by the way... Anyone who thinks Trump did well last night is just as delusional as he is. He absolutely did not pick up any swing voters or "double haters."
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And we already know the MAGA are ok with trump being trump, so they would be happy with that debate. Cause the lies don't matter to them and he certainly seemed like the more coherent person on stage if you aren't concerned with the lies.
To be fair, Trump, for him, was measured. So while I am certainly never voting for Trump, he exceeded the low expectations I had for him but not acting like a completely deranged moron...just a moron. And Biden was worse than my low expectations cause he had no fire whatsoever and had MULTIPLE moments of forgetting what he was saying and standing in silence. It was a disaster for Biden.
But, if somehow he can turn it around and the Sept debates happen, he can re-write the narrative. If I were Trump's camp, I'd cancel all future debates.