Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,292
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    Parksy said:
    No disrespect intended at all...  To the Americans here...  you have an election upcoming between a convicted felon who is a life long hard core doosh bag, evil moron......    and an old man who looked completely lost in a field during a G7 meeting and who also looked like a confused mannequin at a Juneteenth ceremony.  

    Not good. 

    Is it too late to change the candidates at this point? For either side.  If it's not, what is considered like the deadline for any change to be made?  
    Neither candidate is getting swapped out. 
    If one of the two of them died tomorrow, that candidate's party would win.

    Interesting take, for sure.  But do you think Kamala Harris would beat Trump?  I highly doubt it, but that would be OK with me.  I would be OK if Dave Matthews or Chris Rock or Micky Mouse and a can of re-fried beans beat Trump.
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,761
    Biden
    mickeyrat said:
    Parksy said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    No disrespect intended at all...  To the Americans here...  you have an election upcoming between a convicted felon who is a life long hard core doosh bag, evil moron......    and an old man who looked completely lost in a field during a G7 meeting and who also looked like a confused mannequin at a Juneteenth ceremony.  

    Not good. 

    Is it too late to change the candidates at this point? For either side.  If it's not, what is considered like the deadline for any change to be made?  
    Evil versus appearance. About sums it up. Should be an easy call but you know, Hunter’s laptop.
    I agree about the 'should be an easy call'  ... however...  after the shit storm that has been Trump, it's become apparent to me that if we...  and by 'we' i mean those who support Biden, democrats, are left leaning, are woke... whatever you wanna call it...  if we want to defeat him we have to be not just a little better... but a lot better. 

    I would go so far as to suggest that Democrat politicians should honestly be making a handful of social concessions to make sure the doosh doesn't get into power.  That's just my opinion. 

    The worry here for me at least loosely following the likes of Biden and Harris are that they are sticking to pandering to the left.  So to me... they're not really giving anything edible to a would be Trump voter. (fact check me on that... I don't follow American politics THAT much) Beyond that... Biden is now fully... and I do mean fully giving Trump folks the ammunition they need to justify a vote against Biden.  They try so desperately to find a card to play against Biden that they go full lies, fear, and propaganda. Most people buy into it.  With Biden physically showing that he is borderline senile, they don't even need propaganda.

    If I'm a democrat... Biden needs to go and soon. Take the opportunities now to make that change. Health, age, his son... whatever you want. Bow out with grace, let someone else take the at-bat.   I feel the same in Canada.  Liberals are on a losing path... and I think the best thing right now is the have Trudeau step down and let someone else represent.   (Problem with Canada is we don't have age and health to point to... Trudeau is just that awful at his job.) 

    what source are you using for the time spent following IS politics?
    Social media and their campaigns. The only policy stuff I've seen lately is the stuff about the border. 

    might suggest additional news orgs with no financial benefit in the process. googling the specific laws he pushed and their results(infrastructure,  chips act, etc). sources like AP , Reuters, BBC.
    there are news organizations with no financial benefits?  LOL   (said in gest)   

    That in mind...  and this is kinda where i was going... If I'm a democrat or Harris or Biden's camps....  I would stop all attacking of Trump. To me it's a waste of time falling on deaf ears.  I would constantly advertise my bills, accomplishments, and what would be done moving forward to benefit all americans. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,342
    Biden
    Parksy said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Parksy said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    No disrespect intended at all...  To the Americans here...  you have an election upcoming between a convicted felon who is a life long hard core doosh bag, evil moron......    and an old man who looked completely lost in a field during a G7 meeting and who also looked like a confused mannequin at a Juneteenth ceremony.  

    Not good. 

    Is it too late to change the candidates at this point? For either side.  If it's not, what is considered like the deadline for any change to be made?  
    Evil versus appearance. About sums it up. Should be an easy call but you know, Hunter’s laptop.
    I agree about the 'should be an easy call'  ... however...  after the shit storm that has been Trump, it's become apparent to me that if we...  and by 'we' i mean those who support Biden, democrats, are left leaning, are woke... whatever you wanna call it...  if we want to defeat him we have to be not just a little better... but a lot better. 

    I would go so far as to suggest that Democrat politicians should honestly be making a handful of social concessions to make sure the doosh doesn't get into power.  That's just my opinion. 

    The worry here for me at least loosely following the likes of Biden and Harris are that they are sticking to pandering to the left.  So to me... they're not really giving anything edible to a would be Trump voter. (fact check me on that... I don't follow American politics THAT much) Beyond that... Biden is now fully... and I do mean fully giving Trump folks the ammunition they need to justify a vote against Biden.  They try so desperately to find a card to play against Biden that they go full lies, fear, and propaganda. Most people buy into it.  With Biden physically showing that he is borderline senile, they don't even need propaganda.

    If I'm a democrat... Biden needs to go and soon. Take the opportunities now to make that change. Health, age, his son... whatever you want. Bow out with grace, let someone else take the at-bat.   I feel the same in Canada.  Liberals are on a losing path... and I think the best thing right now is the have Trudeau step down and let someone else represent.   (Problem with Canada is we don't have age and health to point to... Trudeau is just that awful at his job.) 

    what source are you using for the time spent following IS politics?
    Social media and their campaigns. The only policy stuff I've seen lately is the stuff about the border. 

    might suggest additional news orgs with no financial benefit in the process. googling the specific laws he pushed and their results(infrastructure,  chips act, etc). sources like AP , Reuters, BBC.
    there are news organizations with no financial benefits?  LOL   (said in gest)   

    That in mind...  and this is kinda where i was going... If I'm a democrat or Harris or Biden's camps....  I would stop all attacking of Trump. To me it's a waste of time falling on deaf ears.  I would constantly advertise my bills, accomplishments, and what would be done moving forward to benefit all americans. 
    the ears that need to hear the attacking are the indies, and they are listening. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,292
    Biden
    Umm, well, it's true, right?  :lol:   

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,327
    We’re so doomed.

    Back at I Love DC Gifts, Khalid Ismail said the best-selling item is a cherry blossom sweatshirt that says “Good Vibes.” Even in June — months after the city’s famously fleeting flowers have come and gone and daily temperatures approach 90 degrees — the sweatshirt dominates. Ismail said he’s never seen anything bewitch customers so fervently, although Trump merch is a close second: T-shirts with his mug shot and visors with fake orange hair flowing out the top.

    “We have no horse in the race, politically. Like, we don’t care, but man — people love him,” Ismail said. “Anything Trump-themed, anything with his name on it ... people are buying it.”

    Luke Wilbur has noticed the same. Wilbur, 56, used to own Washington DC Gift Shop on Pennsylvania Ave. The pandemic forced him to close, and now he runs DCgiftShop.com. Although he tries to stock an equal amount of Republican and Democrat items, Wilbur sells significantly more of the former.

    Wilbur’s not convinced that means much for the outcome of the presidential election. Only that “conservatives purchase more products by far,” he said.

    Plus, “when Trump has rallies, they’re all wearing the hats,” Wilbur said. “He’s a marketer ... I mean, Trump was selling water.”

    Some souvenir purchasing behavior is seasonal. Across the street from the U.S. Treasury Building at White House Gifts, anything with eagles sells out around the Fourth of July. Christmas tree ornaments are hot year-round. So is anything with the presidential seal or the likeness of the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/06/15/dc-souvenir-shops-teens-gifts/

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    Biden
    Have we "lost our country'?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,327
    mrussel1 said:
    Have we "lost our country'?
    I’m afraid so.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,292
    Biden
    Here's an excellent question:

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,327
    Project 2025 defense posture:

    Implement nuclear modernization and expansion. The United States manifestly needs to modernize, adapt, and expand its nuclear arsenal. Russia maintains and is actively brandishing a very large nuclear arsenal, but China is also undertaking a historic nuclear breakout.

    1. Expand and modernize the U.S. nuclear force so that it has the size, sophistication, and tailoring to deter Russia and China simultaneously.

    2. Develop a nuclear arsenal with the size, sophistication, and tailoring— including new capabilities at the theater level—to ensure that there is no circumstance in which America is exposed to serious nuclear coercion.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,292
    Biden
    I get the angst!  I hate it when bowling alleys conspire against me!  Argh!
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,342
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,327
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,342
    Biden
    I like that at least our government is trying to be prepared, but it seems so far fetched. I mean, MAGAts aren't organized enough to have their own army. Most of them are too fucking soft to do anything but ram their giant trucks into a trans kids' lemonade stand. 

    You saw Jan 6. that was chaos of idiots. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,327
    I like that at least our government is trying to be prepared, but it seems so far fetched. I mean, MAGAts aren't organized enough to have their own army. Most of them are too fucking soft to do anything but ram their giant trucks into a trans kids' lemonade stand. 

    You saw Jan 6. that was chaos of idiots. 
    Don’t underestimate the militia movement and particularly the white Christian nationalists of same. 1/6 was a dry run and they care about their martyred imprisoned freedom fighters. More likely that we’ll see random acts of violence committed by lone wolf actors and subsequent retaliation by the government or opposition. What may begin as peaceful protests will be seized upon by shit stirrers and dissocial media to fan the flames of mayhem. Instead of one Kyle Rottenhouse, there will be legions. Instead of one car driving into Heather Hyers at counter demonstrations, there will be multiple. Just wait until thousands of people are turned away from the polls because repub secretaries of state purged voter rolls. Or POOTWH starts delivering on his campaign promises.

    Those chaos of idiots had vehicles full of weapons just over the border from DC.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    Biden
    I like that at least our government is trying to be prepared, but it seems so far fetched. I mean, MAGAts aren't organized enough to have their own army. Most of them are too fucking soft to do anything but ram their giant trucks into a trans kids' lemonade stand. 

    You saw Jan 6. that was chaos of idiots. 
    It's heavily weighted towards old fucks. Look at the rallies 
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    Sometimes I think it’s the ones who don’t attend the rallies we need to watch out for.  I think there’s people willing, ready, able, and looking forward to civil war.  Of course I have no facts to back up my feelings.  All I know is Jim jones, David koresh, they were all quiet, till they weren’t.  And what caused the final reactions?  The government.  
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,256
    Biden
    Sometimes I think it’s the ones who don’t attend the rallies we need to watch out for.  I think there’s people willing, ready, able, and looking forward to civil war.  Of course I have no facts to back up my feelings.  All I know is Jim jones, David koresh, they were all quiet, till they weren’t.  And what caused the final reactions?  The government.  

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    Biden
    Sometimes I think it’s the ones who don’t attend the rallies we need to watch out for.  I think there’s people willing, ready, able, and looking forward to civil war.  Of course I have no facts to back up my feelings.  All I know is Jim jones, David koresh, they were all quiet, till they weren’t.  And what caused the final reactions?  The government.  
    There are, but these are small pockets of people
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,342
    Biden
    for the life of me, I will never understand how people can be so fucking stupid to believe that "donald trump gets it". He gets NOTHING that normal people have to struggle with. NOTHING. 

    And Donald Trump’s wife is an immigrant. He knows the process. He gets it. He’s fallen in love with somebody from a different country as well. So he knows better than anybody that our families should be treated the same as everyone else.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/19/us/undocumented-spouses-biden-immigration-policy-cec/index.html
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,627
    Biden
    for the life of me, I will never understand how people can be so fucking stupid to believe that "donald trump gets it". He gets NOTHING that normal people have to struggle with. NOTHING. 

    And Donald Trump’s wife is an immigrant. He knows the process. He gets it. He’s fallen in love with somebody from a different country as well. So he knows better than anybody that our families should be treated the same as everyone else.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/19/us/undocumented-spouses-biden-immigration-policy-cec/index.html
    There was a piece in the L.A. Times last week reporting on Trump's fundraising in Beverly Hills and Orange County.* They quoted two different attendees who said that, when Trump was president, there were no wars. (One said "no world wars.") Neither one seemed to remember that, notwithstanding other wars that were happening in the world between 2017 and 2021, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire duration of Trump's term-- a war that, not incidentally, ended in Biden's first year as president. (And the same people who pretend this war wasn't happening when Trump was president likely simultaneously blame Biden for "botching" the withdrawal of U.S. forces.)

    One of these people also said that "everything was going fine" when Trump was president. He seems to have forgotten that, during the last year of Trump's presidency, hundreds of thousands of Americans (and millions around the world) died due to a once-in-a-century pandemic. Everything was definitely not "going fine." Again, these same people likely rail against the "lockdowns" and other affronts to their "freedom" like masks, conveniently forgetting that Trump was the president when those restrictions were put in place.

    There are a lot of people who inhabit an alternate reality, and they are blissfully unaware of the cognitive dissonance between what they believe to be true and what is demonstrably true. On the one hand, I think, "It must be nice." You know, ignorance is bliss. On the other hand, I feel bad for them because it has to be difficult to go through life believing in lies and seeing conspiracies everywhere.

    *Of course, when Biden held a fundraiser a week later with rich Hollywood types, Trump's people attacked Biden for being "out of touch" while conveniently ignoring that Trump had just spent a couple of days in the same state hobnobbing with a bunch of rich people to drum up campaign donations.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,327
    BF25394 said:
    for the life of me, I will never understand how people can be so fucking stupid to believe that "donald trump gets it". He gets NOTHING that normal people have to struggle with. NOTHING. 

    And Donald Trump’s wife is an immigrant. He knows the process. He gets it. He’s fallen in love with somebody from a different country as well. So he knows better than anybody that our families should be treated the same as everyone else.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/19/us/undocumented-spouses-biden-immigration-policy-cec/index.html
    There was a piece in the L.A. Times last week reporting on Trump's fundraising in Beverly Hills and Orange County.* They quoted two different attendees who said that, when Trump was president, there were no wars. (One said "no world wars.") Neither one seemed to remember that, notwithstanding other wars that were happening in the world between 2017 and 2021, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire duration of Trump's term-- a war that, not incidentally, ended in Biden's first year as president. (And the same people who pretend this war wasn't happening when Trump was president likely simultaneously blame Biden for "botching" the withdrawal of U.S. forces.)

    One of these people also said that "everything was going fine" when Trump was president. He seems to have forgotten that, during the last year of Trump's presidency, hundreds of thousands of Americans (and millions around the world) died due to a once-in-a-century pandemic. Everything was definitely not "going fine." Again, these same people likely rail against the "lockdowns" and other affronts to their "freedom" like masks, conveniently forgetting that Trump was the president when those restrictions were put in place.

    There are a lot of people who inhabit an alternate reality, and they are blissfully unaware of the cognitive dissonance between what they believe to be true and what is demonstrably true. On the one hand, I think, "It must be nice." You know, ignorance is bliss. On the other hand, I feel bad for them because it has to be difficult to go through life believing in lies and seeing conspiracies everywhere.

    *Of course, when Biden held a fundraiser a week later with rich Hollywood types, Trump's people attacked Biden for being "out of touch" while conveniently ignoring that Trump had just spent a couple of days in the same state hobnobbing with a bunch of rich people to drum up campaign donations.
    I think you meant “drum up money for his legal fees.” There is a difference between the two candidates. Slight but it’s there.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    Biden
    BF25394 said:
    for the life of me, I will never understand how people can be so fucking stupid to believe that "donald trump gets it". He gets NOTHING that normal people have to struggle with. NOTHING. 

    And Donald Trump’s wife is an immigrant. He knows the process. He gets it. He’s fallen in love with somebody from a different country as well. So he knows better than anybody that our families should be treated the same as everyone else.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/19/us/undocumented-spouses-biden-immigration-policy-cec/index.html
    There was a piece in the L.A. Times last week reporting on Trump's fundraising in Beverly Hills and Orange County.* They quoted two different attendees who said that, when Trump was president, there were no wars. (One said "no world wars.") Neither one seemed to remember that, notwithstanding other wars that were happening in the world between 2017 and 2021, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire duration of Trump's term-- a war that, not incidentally, ended in Biden's first year as president. (And the same people who pretend this war wasn't happening when Trump was president likely simultaneously blame Biden for "botching" the withdrawal of U.S. forces.)

    One of these people also said that "everything was going fine" when Trump was president. He seems to have forgotten that, during the last year of Trump's presidency, hundreds of thousands of Americans (and millions around the world) died due to a once-in-a-century pandemic. Everything was definitely not "going fine." Again, these same people likely rail against the "lockdowns" and other affronts to their "freedom" like masks, conveniently forgetting that Trump was the president when those restrictions were put in place.

    There are a lot of people who inhabit an alternate reality, and they are blissfully unaware of the cognitive dissonance between what they believe to be true and what is demonstrably true. On the one hand, I think, "It must be nice." You know, ignorance is bliss. On the other hand, I feel bad for them because it has to be difficult to go through life believing in lies and seeing conspiracies everywhere.

    *Of course, when Biden held a fundraiser a week later with rich Hollywood types, Trump's people attacked Biden for being "out of touch" while conveniently ignoring that Trump had just spent a couple of days in the same state hobnobbing with a bunch of rich people to drum up campaign donations.
    Throw out the pandemic from this conversation, and what you see is the reality that is created in right wing media.  How these people live day to day doesn't change from Trump to Biden.  What changed was the tone of the news and what they are fed.  I read Fox News online every day and you can see how they shape the news and what they feed to consumers.  For example, they will bury good economic news in the Fox business section where no one is reading.  They will highlight a random murder in NY as representative of society today.  
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,627
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    BF25394 said:
    for the life of me, I will never understand how people can be so fucking stupid to believe that "donald trump gets it". He gets NOTHING that normal people have to struggle with. NOTHING. 

    And Donald Trump’s wife is an immigrant. He knows the process. He gets it. He’s fallen in love with somebody from a different country as well. So he knows better than anybody that our families should be treated the same as everyone else.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/19/us/undocumented-spouses-biden-immigration-policy-cec/index.html
    There was a piece in the L.A. Times last week reporting on Trump's fundraising in Beverly Hills and Orange County.* They quoted two different attendees who said that, when Trump was president, there were no wars. (One said "no world wars.") Neither one seemed to remember that, notwithstanding other wars that were happening in the world between 2017 and 2021, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire duration of Trump's term-- a war that, not incidentally, ended in Biden's first year as president. (And the same people who pretend this war wasn't happening when Trump was president likely simultaneously blame Biden for "botching" the withdrawal of U.S. forces.)

    One of these people also said that "everything was going fine" when Trump was president. He seems to have forgotten that, during the last year of Trump's presidency, hundreds of thousands of Americans (and millions around the world) died due to a once-in-a-century pandemic. Everything was definitely not "going fine." Again, these same people likely rail against the "lockdowns" and other affronts to their "freedom" like masks, conveniently forgetting that Trump was the president when those restrictions were put in place.

    There are a lot of people who inhabit an alternate reality, and they are blissfully unaware of the cognitive dissonance between what they believe to be true and what is demonstrably true. On the one hand, I think, "It must be nice." You know, ignorance is bliss. On the other hand, I feel bad for them because it has to be difficult to go through life believing in lies and seeing conspiracies everywhere.

    *Of course, when Biden held a fundraiser a week later with rich Hollywood types, Trump's people attacked Biden for being "out of touch" while conveniently ignoring that Trump had just spent a couple of days in the same state hobnobbing with a bunch of rich people to drum up campaign donations.
    Throw out the pandemic from this conversation, and what you see is the reality that is created in right wing media.  How these people live day to day doesn't change from Trump to Biden.  What changed was the tone of the news and what they are fed.  I read Fox News online every day and you can see how they shape the news and what they feed to consumers.  For example, they will bury good economic news in the Fox business section where no one is reading.  They will highlight a random murder in NY as representative of society today.  
    Why leave the pandemic out of the conversation? If the question is, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?," it's useful to remember that, four years ago, shit was bad. And that happened on Trump's watch.

    It reminds me of Giuliani in 2016 glossing over the September 11 attacks when comparing the records of George W. Bush and Barack Obama with respect to terrorist attacks in the U.S. during their terms. You don't get to just say Bush kept us safe "other than 9/11." It's like "Other than your husband's murder, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?" (To be clear, I'm not saying Bush was to blame for the attacks, nor am I saying that Trump was to blame for the pandemic-- but these things happened on their respective watches and we shouldn't pretend otherwise.)
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,327
    Polls may not mean much. From Letter From An American:

    In a celebration of Juneteenth on June 10, 2024, Vice President Kamala Harris noted: “Across our nation, we witness a full-on attack on hard-fought, hard-won freedoms and rights, including the freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body; the freedom to be who you are and love who you love openly and with pride; the freedom from fear of bigotry and hate; the freedom to learn and acknowledge our nation’s true and full history; and the freedom that unlocks all others: the freedom to vote.”
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    Biden
    BF25394 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BF25394 said:
    for the life of me, I will never understand how people can be so fucking stupid to believe that "donald trump gets it". He gets NOTHING that normal people have to struggle with. NOTHING. 

    And Donald Trump’s wife is an immigrant. He knows the process. He gets it. He’s fallen in love with somebody from a different country as well. So he knows better than anybody that our families should be treated the same as everyone else.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/19/us/undocumented-spouses-biden-immigration-policy-cec/index.html
    There was a piece in the L.A. Times last week reporting on Trump's fundraising in Beverly Hills and Orange County.* They quoted two different attendees who said that, when Trump was president, there were no wars. (One said "no world wars.") Neither one seemed to remember that, notwithstanding other wars that were happening in the world between 2017 and 2021, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire duration of Trump's term-- a war that, not incidentally, ended in Biden's first year as president. (And the same people who pretend this war wasn't happening when Trump was president likely simultaneously blame Biden for "botching" the withdrawal of U.S. forces.)

    One of these people also said that "everything was going fine" when Trump was president. He seems to have forgotten that, during the last year of Trump's presidency, hundreds of thousands of Americans (and millions around the world) died due to a once-in-a-century pandemic. Everything was definitely not "going fine." Again, these same people likely rail against the "lockdowns" and other affronts to their "freedom" like masks, conveniently forgetting that Trump was the president when those restrictions were put in place.

    There are a lot of people who inhabit an alternate reality, and they are blissfully unaware of the cognitive dissonance between what they believe to be true and what is demonstrably true. On the one hand, I think, "It must be nice." You know, ignorance is bliss. On the other hand, I feel bad for them because it has to be difficult to go through life believing in lies and seeing conspiracies everywhere.

    *Of course, when Biden held a fundraiser a week later with rich Hollywood types, Trump's people attacked Biden for being "out of touch" while conveniently ignoring that Trump had just spent a couple of days in the same state hobnobbing with a bunch of rich people to drum up campaign donations.
    Throw out the pandemic from this conversation, and what you see is the reality that is created in right wing media.  How these people live day to day doesn't change from Trump to Biden.  What changed was the tone of the news and what they are fed.  I read Fox News online every day and you can see how they shape the news and what they feed to consumers.  For example, they will bury good economic news in the Fox business section where no one is reading.  They will highlight a random murder in NY as representative of society today.  
    Why leave the pandemic out of the conversation? If the question is, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?," it's useful to remember that, four years ago, shit was bad. And that happened on Trump's watch.

    It reminds me of Giuliani in 2016 glossing over the September 11 attacks when comparing the records of George W. Bush and Barack Obama with respect to terrorist attacks in the U.S. during their terms. You don't get to just say Bush kept us safe "other than 9/11." It's like "Other than your husband's murder, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?" (To be clear, I'm not saying Bush was to blame for the attacks, nor am I saying that Trump was to blame for the pandemic-- but these things happened on their respective watches and we shouldn't pretend otherwise.)
    I wasn't seeking to answer the question of whether you're better off now or then.  I was furthering your other point about the alternate reality that right wing creates.  I say "throw out the Pandemic" because that isn't an alternate reality, we all experienced that.  
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,627
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    BF25394 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BF25394 said:
    for the life of me, I will never understand how people can be so fucking stupid to believe that "donald trump gets it". He gets NOTHING that normal people have to struggle with. NOTHING. 

    And Donald Trump’s wife is an immigrant. He knows the process. He gets it. He’s fallen in love with somebody from a different country as well. So he knows better than anybody that our families should be treated the same as everyone else.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/19/us/undocumented-spouses-biden-immigration-policy-cec/index.html
    There was a piece in the L.A. Times last week reporting on Trump's fundraising in Beverly Hills and Orange County.* They quoted two different attendees who said that, when Trump was president, there were no wars. (One said "no world wars.") Neither one seemed to remember that, notwithstanding other wars that were happening in the world between 2017 and 2021, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire duration of Trump's term-- a war that, not incidentally, ended in Biden's first year as president. (And the same people who pretend this war wasn't happening when Trump was president likely simultaneously blame Biden for "botching" the withdrawal of U.S. forces.)

    One of these people also said that "everything was going fine" when Trump was president. He seems to have forgotten that, during the last year of Trump's presidency, hundreds of thousands of Americans (and millions around the world) died due to a once-in-a-century pandemic. Everything was definitely not "going fine." Again, these same people likely rail against the "lockdowns" and other affronts to their "freedom" like masks, conveniently forgetting that Trump was the president when those restrictions were put in place.

    There are a lot of people who inhabit an alternate reality, and they are blissfully unaware of the cognitive dissonance between what they believe to be true and what is demonstrably true. On the one hand, I think, "It must be nice." You know, ignorance is bliss. On the other hand, I feel bad for them because it has to be difficult to go through life believing in lies and seeing conspiracies everywhere.

    *Of course, when Biden held a fundraiser a week later with rich Hollywood types, Trump's people attacked Biden for being "out of touch" while conveniently ignoring that Trump had just spent a couple of days in the same state hobnobbing with a bunch of rich people to drum up campaign donations.
    Throw out the pandemic from this conversation, and what you see is the reality that is created in right wing media.  How these people live day to day doesn't change from Trump to Biden.  What changed was the tone of the news and what they are fed.  I read Fox News online every day and you can see how they shape the news and what they feed to consumers.  For example, they will bury good economic news in the Fox business section where no one is reading.  They will highlight a random murder in NY as representative of society today.  
    Why leave the pandemic out of the conversation? If the question is, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?," it's useful to remember that, four years ago, shit was bad. And that happened on Trump's watch.

    It reminds me of Giuliani in 2016 glossing over the September 11 attacks when comparing the records of George W. Bush and Barack Obama with respect to terrorist attacks in the U.S. during their terms. You don't get to just say Bush kept us safe "other than 9/11." It's like "Other than your husband's murder, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?" (To be clear, I'm not saying Bush was to blame for the attacks, nor am I saying that Trump was to blame for the pandemic-- but these things happened on their respective watches and we shouldn't pretend otherwise.)
    I wasn't seeking to answer the question of whether you're better off now or then.  I was furthering your other point about the alternate reality that right wing creates.  I say "throw out the Pandemic" because that isn't an alternate reality, we all experienced that.  
    Ah, gotcha. But my point was that the idea that "everything was going fine" during the Trump years is also an alternate reality. I would argue that there were a lot of ways that everything was not going fine, and I can imagine a Trump fan arguing some of those, but the hundreds of thousands of dead Americans and the economic and social dislocation due to the pandemic were pretty much inarguably "not fine."
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,327
    We need a floor vote at the Democratic National Convention with several potential candidates being nominated. I'd take the following, if only because they have integrity and can communicate the policies of a dem administration. Anyone of the below would destroy POOTWH in a debate but he'd run scared and refuse to debate. Not likely to see a floor fight for the nomination either. UGH.

    Gina Raimondo
    Gavin Newsome
    Pete Buttigieg
    Kamala Harris
    Josh Shapiro
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,342
    Biden
    Gavin/Pete would be a sure fire winner. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,292
    Biden
    Is anyone else here feeling as doomed as I do after this evening's debacle?  (Yeah, that's right, I said "doomed" and I feel it and mean it.)

    Fuuuuuck GIFs  Tenor

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    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

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    -Neil Young













  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,051
    brianlux said:
    Is anyone else here feeling as doomed as I do after this evening's debacle?  (Yeah, that's right, I said "doomed" and I feel it and mean it.)

    Fuuuuuck GIFs  Tenor

    Nah, I'm feelin' pretty good!
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