Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

Ledbetterman10

Biden

Well @mrussel1, my Texas prediction didn't come to fruition. Though Biden did do pretty well (52% to 46%). It makes you wonder if Texas could ever go blue. I always hear how some parts of Texas are trending that way. But if a moderate democrat like Biden (who's almost a conservative compared to some segments of his party) couldn't win over a fake-ass Republicans like Trump, I don't know if it'll ever happen. 

Gern Blansten

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

Well @mrussel1, my Texas prediction didn't come to fruition. Though Biden did do pretty well (52% to 46%). It makes you wonder if Texas could ever go blue. I always hear how some parts of Texas are trending that way. But if a moderate democrat like Biden (who's almost a conservative compared to some segments of his party) couldn't win over a fake-ass Republicans like Trump, I don't know if it'll ever happen. 

Substitute another republican for tRump though and it might be a done deal.  

static111

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

cblock4life said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

honestly. regardless of who wins. i'm done with america. fuck america. i can't believe so many people still support this piece of shit after the last four years. it's unimaginable to most people that don't live in your country. see you in 4 years. at best. 

I feel exactly like this but unfortunately I live here. Even if it ends up Biden the amount of votes for trump still makes me sick. And you care, you actually care and understand more than most. Almost 50% of us are fucking assholes so you’re justified and permitted your feelings and frustration. If more Americans were like you these conversations wouldn’t even be happening. 

Calling everyone who doesn't vote with you a fucking asshole is about as Trumpy as it gets

i haven't met one trump voter, in person or online, that doesn't fit that description. 

i was hesitant about generalizing after he beat hillary. even often scolded people here when they did so. figured people were just tossing their vote in the wishing well. but after this 4 years? sorry, they no longer get the benefit of the doubt. 

I've seen some of that, but I've seen way more of that from the anti-Trump crowd; that if you voted for Trump, you're morally bankrupt, an asshole, a racist, an idiot, etc. That's not to say I haven't seen pushback from Trump-lovers, like "How can you vote for Biden?" But not being called names for it like I've seen from the Trump-haters. 

But Biden isn't a big asshole that is impossible to vote for if you are decent human being, and care about others and the planet. 

So I don't see what is odd about it.

Whatever. It's not worth rehashing the "people who vote for Trump and what that says about them" stuff.

For the most part I can’t divorce a vote for Trump from a vote for t personality of Trump.  Nor can I look at coal rolling Trump flag flying rednecks yelling about minorities as if they aren’t assholes...I’m not living in that alternative universe. I’m not a Dem I’m not a Biden supporter.  I voted Biden because Trump is a complete asshole. For anyone to see that behavior and think it’s ok implies they are ok with people being complete assholes and by and large t he y are voting for their values.   If one values assholes it is hard to make a case against one being an asshole themselves.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

static111 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bootlegger10 said:

Not a fan of votes being counted into Wednesday and Thursday.  You want to mail it in then mail it ten days in advance.  Or drop it off.  This just creates doubt amongst some of the electorate when you have swings after Election Day.

Why are you more worried about "doubts" amongs idiots, than about if every citizens vote gets counted in an election?

I never said anything about people not being able to vote.  There is PLENTY of time to vote well in advance.  I say cutoff the mail in votes 8 days or so in advance to allow time to arrive so we don't have a million votes counted on Wed/Thurs but perhaps only 30,000 vote left to count afterwards.  I had 30 days to vote in person.  It doesn't take much time to mail in or drive by and drop off a ballot.  

The votes that are being counted have been sitting there for weeks for the most part. Republican legislatures would not allow a rules change to let the votes be counted as they come in. What you propose would take for republicans to work together and change counting rules so we could get accurate tallys more quickly.  They won’t do this because it sets them up for what we have today, crying fraud when votes are being counted.

and his supporters are so stupid to believe it. 

CM189191

https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1323997643261898754?s=20

static111

Biden

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

tbergs said:

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

cblock4life said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

honestly. regardless of who wins. i'm done with america. fuck america. i can't believe so many people still support this piece of shit after the last four years. it's unimaginable to most people that don't live in your country. see you in 4 years. at best. 

I feel exactly like this but unfortunately I live here. Even if it ends up Biden the amount of votes for trump still makes me sick. And you care, you actually care and understand more than most. Almost 50% of us are fucking assholes so you’re justified and permitted your feelings and frustration. If more Americans were like you these conversations wouldn’t even be happening. 

Calling everyone who doesn't vote with you a fucking asshole is about as Trumpy as it gets

i haven't met one trump voter, in person or online, that doesn't fit that description. 

i was hesitant about generalizing after he beat hillary. even often scolded people here when they did so. figured people were just tossing their vote in the wishing well. but after this 4 years? sorry, they no longer get the benefit of the doubt. 

Do you watch Justified?

Excellent show and best role for Olyphant ever.

Really? I need to watch that.  Loved Deadwood.  What service/station is it on?

Easily one of the best shows of all time. His nemesis Boyd Crowder is one of the best tv villains of all time.  

Teh wife and I are finishing up Succession now (also hilariously dark), so we'll need something new.  Thanks for the tip. 

Oh yeah it’s on Netflix

mrussel1

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

Well @mrussel1, my Texas prediction didn't come to fruition. Though Biden did do pretty well (52% to 46%). It makes you wonder if Texas could ever go blue. I always hear how some parts of Texas are trending that way. But if a moderate democrat like Biden (who's almost a conservative compared to some segments of his party) couldn't win over a fake-ass Republicans like Trump, I don't know if it'll ever happen. 

If the R party continues to construct itself in the image of Trump, then it will go Blue at some point.  If it re-centers itself and becomes less reactionary and anti-science, then it will not go blue.  At the end of the day, Biden did well in Texas, much better than anyone would have expected at the beginning of the election cycle.  I'll still buy you rounds at our next mutual PJ show.

bootlegger10

Biden

static111 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bootlegger10 said:

Not a fan of votes being counted into Wednesday and Thursday.  You want to mail it in then mail it ten days in advance.  Or drop it off.  This just creates doubt amongst some of the electorate when you have swings after Election Day.

Why are you more worried about "doubts" amongs idiots, than about if every citizens vote gets counted in an election?

I never said anything about people not being able to vote.  There is PLENTY of time to vote well in advance.  I say cutoff the mail in votes 8 days or so in advance to allow time to arrive so we don't have a million votes counted on Wed/Thurs but perhaps only 30,000 vote left to count afterwards.  I had 30 days to vote in person.  It doesn't take much time to mail in or drive by and drop off a ballot.  

The votes that are being counted have been sitting there for weeks for the most part. Republican legislatures would not allow a rules change to let the votes be counted as they come in. What you propose would take for republicans to work together and change counting rules so we could get accurate tallys more quickly.  They won’t do this because it sets them up for what we have today, crying fraud when votes are being counted.

End of day, I am for a system that counts 95%+ of the votes on election day.  So these states need to count the votes like Florida does so they can be reported on election day.  That's all I am suggesting.  Not limiting peoples' ability to vote.  I don't think there is anything wrong with some sort of rule saying that if you want to mail in your vote you must have it postmarked by whatever date, or dropped off by whatever date and if not, vote in person. 

tbergs

Biden

mrussel1 said:

tbergs said:

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

cblock4life said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

honestly. regardless of who wins. i'm done with america. fuck america. i can't believe so many people still support this piece of shit after the last four years. it's unimaginable to most people that don't live in your country. see you in 4 years. at best. 

I feel exactly like this but unfortunately I live here. Even if it ends up Biden the amount of votes for trump still makes me sick. And you care, you actually care and understand more than most. Almost 50% of us are fucking assholes so you’re justified and permitted your feelings and frustration. If more Americans were like you these conversations wouldn’t even be happening. 

Calling everyone who doesn't vote with you a fucking asshole is about as Trumpy as it gets

i haven't met one trump voter, in person or online, that doesn't fit that description. 

i was hesitant about generalizing after he beat hillary. even often scolded people here when they did so. figured people were just tossing their vote in the wishing well. but after this 4 years? sorry, they no longer get the benefit of the doubt. 

Do you watch Justified?

Excellent show and best role for Olyphant ever.

Really? I need to watch that.  Loved Deadwood.  What service/station is it on?

It's an FX series. Used to be available on Prime, but I see it isn't there anymore. Takes a few episodes to hit it's stride, but there are some great characters on that show. Very similar to Ozark.

EdsonNascimento

Not the worst outcome in the world.  Biden with a GOP Senate majority and a narrower House that a moderate bipartisan caucus can wield more power in. 

And, actually, Biden will not mind that at all.  Pressure's off. He can use McConnell as the excuse why he doesn't implement the crazys' hoped for plan.  And, so I'm now taking bets how long it takes for Dems to call for Pelosi to invoke 25th Amendment b/c Biden doesn't take on McConnell.  I say 6 months.

Basically any hope for a major domestic policy shift is gone with no change in the Senate.   Stability. Basically the markets are telling you this positive news today.

I do wonder what happens with the positive Middle East news.  If Biden (or really whoever his Sec'y of State) brings Palestine back to the table, that will evaporate quicker than it seemed to come together.   I assume Biden will continue to draw down troops around the world as Trump had already been doing.

Trump legacy has been cemented for years by this election. No change to Supreme Court. No new States (which both seemed unlikely with a few Moderate Dems anyway).  No major Tax Code change.  All bye, bye.   

I still expect spending to continue unabated as Trump didn't really change that either. I mean he did a $3 Trillion Cares Act and was prepared to do another $2. So, what's another $1 on top of that? If Dems want to bail out NY, lol. Fine by me (it's stupid, but eh).  At some point, there will be a reckoning.  Each party keeps planning for it to be the other party's problem.

So, while everyone will focus on whatever they want here, I will end with 2 questions - given this most likely reality of GOP Senate hold and Dem President:

1) What of significance do you think will actually change? 
2)  Given they will be able to slip some smaller initiatives in, what do you hope they will (and realistically get through) choose to?

Gern Blansten

Biden

EdsonNascimento said:

Not the worst outcome in the world.  Biden with a GOP Senate majority and a narrower House that a moderate bipartisan caucus can wield more power in. 

And, actually, Biden will not mind that at all.  Pressure's off. He can use McConnell as the excuse why he doesn't implement the crazys' hoped for plan.  And, so I'm now taking bets how long it takes for Dems to call for Pelosi to invoke 25th Amendment b/c Biden doesn't take on McConnell.  I say 6 months.

Basically any hope for a major domestic policy shift is gone with no change in the Senate.   Stability. Basically the markets are telling you this positive news today.

I do wonder what happens with the positive Middle East news.  If Biden (or really whoever his Sec'y of State) brings Palestine back to the table, that will evaporate quicker than it seemed to come together.   I assume Biden will continue to draw down troops around the world as Trump had already been doing.

Trump legacy has been cemented for years by this election. No change to Supreme Court. No new States (which both seemed unlikely with a few Moderate Dems anyway).  No major Tax Code change.  All bye, bye.   

I still expect spending to continue unabated as Trump didn't really change that either. I mean he did a $3 Trillion Cares Act and was prepared to do another $2. So, what's another $1 on top of that? If Dems want to bail out NY, lol. Fine by me (it's stupid, but eh).  At some point, there will be a reckoning.  Each party keeps planning for it to be the other party's problem.

So, while everyone will focus on whatever they want here, I will end with 2 questions - given this most likely reality of GOP Senate hold and Dem President:

1) What of significance do you think will actually change? 
2)  Given they will be able to slip some smaller initiatives in, what do you hope they will (and realistically get through) choose to?

You lost me at 25A in six months....childish

Ledbetterman10

Biden

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Well @mrussel1, my Texas prediction didn't come to fruition. Though Biden did do pretty well (52% to 46%). It makes you wonder if Texas could ever go blue. I always hear how some parts of Texas are trending that way. But if a moderate democrat like Biden (who's almost a conservative compared to some segments of his party) couldn't win over a fake-ass Republicans like Trump, I don't know if it'll ever happen. 

Substitute another republican for tRump though and it might be a done deal.  

See I think it may be the opposite; that a real Republican (like a Romney/McCain-type) wouldn't be in much danger, but someone like Trump (both outrageous personally, and a fake conservative) was. Unless you're arguing that there's something about Trump outrageousness that Texas likes. But I think both Hillary (42%) and Biden (46%) did okay in Texas because Trump sucks. Not because of some shift to blue in the state. 

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

you think democrats will try to have their own president removed?

MayDay10

Biden

yeah, no way that is even possible.  haha

Ledbetterman10

Biden

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Well @mrussel1, my Texas prediction didn't come to fruition. Though Biden did do pretty well (52% to 46%). It makes you wonder if Texas could ever go blue. I always hear how some parts of Texas are trending that way. But if a moderate democrat like Biden (who's almost a conservative compared to some segments of his party) couldn't win over a fake-ass Republicans like Trump, I don't know if it'll ever happen. 

If the R party continues to construct itself in the image of Trump, then it will go Blue at some point.  If it re-centers itself and becomes less reactionary and anti-science, then it will not go blue.  At the end of the day, Biden did well in Texas, much better than anyone would have expected at the beginning of the election cycle.  I'll still buy you rounds at our next mutual PJ show.

Sounds good. 

I think it'll be the latter, and they try to distance themselves from Trump. I think most reasonable Republicans will....if they're smart. 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

cblock4life said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

honestly. regardless of who wins. i'm done with america. fuck america. i can't believe so many people still support this piece of shit after the last four years. it's unimaginable to most people that don't live in your country. see you in 4 years. at best. 

I feel exactly like this but unfortunately I live here. Even if it ends up Biden the amount of votes for trump still makes me sick. And you care, you actually care and understand more than most. Almost 50% of us are fucking assholes so you’re justified and permitted your feelings and frustration. If more Americans were like you these conversations wouldn’t even be happening. 

Calling everyone who doesn't vote with you a fucking asshole is about as Trumpy as it gets

i haven't met one trump voter, in person or online, that doesn't fit that description. 

i was hesitant about generalizing after he beat hillary. even often scolded people here when they did so. figured people were just tossing their vote in the wishing well. but after this 4 years? sorry, they no longer get the benefit of the doubt. 

Do you watch Justified?

i don't run into assholes all day. most people i know are good, decent people. i am only talking about one type with one specific trait. and i specifically said trump supporters i know. i don't know many. but all of them share many of the same traits i find despicable in a human. 

If you're the type to post "I'm done with America. Fuck America." what sort of political discussions do you expect to be having?

it was posted in frustration about what i thought was going to happen and what didn't happen. i considered deleting/editing it, but left it up so i could own it. and i do. 

i'm sure you know i'm usually very reasonable. but last night a pipe burst. 

Yeah, that's true. You usually are. Try not to let this stuff get to you especially when the indications are (at least currently) that Trump is going to lose.

i know he's probably going to lose. but for me that wasn't enough. I was really hoping that the US had finally come to its senses. it looks like it got worse. not that i want the country run by 100% democrats. just reasonable republicans is all i ask for. but reasonable republicans in office seem like the minority now. 

and there may have been some crown royal involved when i posted that. 

Ha ha...whiskey posting during an election is risky business. Frankly, I don't know what the answer is on the Republican front either. You just take it election by election and hope the winds change.

To me, one of the answers is staying vigilant about keeping the power of that branch limited so it matters less if someone like Trump gets in. If it comes up, resist the urge to empower Biden to circumvent Congress - that seat could belong to someone like Josh Hawley in 4 years.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

EdsonNascimento said:

Not the worst outcome in the world.  Biden with a GOP Senate majority and a narrower House that a moderate bipartisan caucus can wield more power in. 

And, actually, Biden will not mind that at all.  Pressure's off. He can use McConnell as the excuse why he doesn't implement the crazys' hoped for plan.  And, so I'm now taking bets how long it takes for Dems to call for Pelosi to invoke 25th Amendment b/c Biden doesn't take on McConnell.  I say 6 months.

Basically any hope for a major domestic policy shift is gone with no change in the Senate.   Stability. Basically the markets are telling you this positive news today.

I do wonder what happens with the positive Middle East news.  If Biden (or really whoever his Sec'y of State) brings Palestine back to the table, that will evaporate quicker than it seemed to come together.   I assume Biden will continue to draw down troops around the world as Trump had already been doing.

Trump legacy has been cemented for years by this election. No change to Supreme Court. No new States (which both seemed unlikely with a few Moderate Dems anyway).  No major Tax Code change.  All bye, bye.   

I still expect spending to continue unabated as Trump didn't really change that either. I mean he did a $3 Trillion Cares Act and was prepared to do another $2. So, what's another $1 on top of that? If Dems want to bail out NY, lol. Fine by me (it's stupid, but eh).  At some point, there will be a reckoning.  Each party keeps planning for it to be the other party's problem.

So, while everyone will focus on whatever they want here, I will end with 2 questions - given this most likely reality of GOP Senate hold and Dem President:

1) What of significance do you think will actually change? 
2)  Given they will be able to slip some smaller initiatives in, what do you hope they will (and realistically get through) choose to?

This more or less sums up how I feel minus the 25th push

EdsonNascimento

pjl44 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Not the worst outcome in the world.  Biden with a GOP Senate majority and a narrower House that a moderate bipartisan caucus can wield more power in. 

And, actually, Biden will not mind that at all.  Pressure's off. He can use McConnell as the excuse why he doesn't implement the crazys' hoped for plan.  And, so I'm now taking bets how long it takes for Dems to call for Pelosi to invoke 25th Amendment b/c Biden doesn't take on McConnell.  I say 6 months.

Basically any hope for a major domestic policy shift is gone with no change in the Senate.   Stability. Basically the markets are telling you this positive news today.

I do wonder what happens with the positive Middle East news.  If Biden (or really whoever his Sec'y of State) brings Palestine back to the table, that will evaporate quicker than it seemed to come together.   I assume Biden will continue to draw down troops around the world as Trump had already been doing.

Trump legacy has been cemented for years by this election. No change to Supreme Court. No new States (which both seemed unlikely with a few Moderate Dems anyway).  No major Tax Code change.  All bye, bye.   

I still expect spending to continue unabated as Trump didn't really change that either. I mean he did a $3 Trillion Cares Act and was prepared to do another $2. So, what's another $1 on top of that? If Dems want to bail out NY, lol. Fine by me (it's stupid, but eh).  At some point, there will be a reckoning.  Each party keeps planning for it to be the other party's problem.

So, while everyone will focus on whatever they want here, I will end with 2 questions - given this most likely reality of GOP Senate hold and Dem President:

1) What of significance do you think will actually change? 
2)  Given they will be able to slip some smaller initiatives in, what do you hope they will (and realistically get through) choose to?

This more or less sums up how I feel minus the 25th push

I think it's funny 2 posters have commented on what I thought was clearly a throw away joke. Lighten up. You "won."  No more Trump (other than on MSNBC when they hire him).

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

EdsonNascimento said:

pjl44 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Not the worst outcome in the world.  Biden with a GOP Senate majority and a narrower House that a moderate bipartisan caucus can wield more power in. 

And, actually, Biden will not mind that at all.  Pressure's off. He can use McConnell as the excuse why he doesn't implement the crazys' hoped for plan.  And, so I'm now taking bets how long it takes for Dems to call for Pelosi to invoke 25th Amendment b/c Biden doesn't take on McConnell.  I say 6 months.

Basically any hope for a major domestic policy shift is gone with no change in the Senate.   Stability. Basically the markets are telling you this positive news today.

I do wonder what happens with the positive Middle East news.  If Biden (or really whoever his Sec'y of State) brings Palestine back to the table, that will evaporate quicker than it seemed to come together.   I assume Biden will continue to draw down troops around the world as Trump had already been doing.

Trump legacy has been cemented for years by this election. No change to Supreme Court. No new States (which both seemed unlikely with a few Moderate Dems anyway).  No major Tax Code change.  All bye, bye.   

I still expect spending to continue unabated as Trump didn't really change that either. I mean he did a $3 Trillion Cares Act and was prepared to do another $2. So, what's another $1 on top of that? If Dems want to bail out NY, lol. Fine by me (it's stupid, but eh).  At some point, there will be a reckoning.  Each party keeps planning for it to be the other party's problem.

So, while everyone will focus on whatever they want here, I will end with 2 questions - given this most likely reality of GOP Senate hold and Dem President:

1) What of significance do you think will actually change? 
2)  Given they will be able to slip some smaller initiatives in, what do you hope they will (and realistically get through) choose to?

This more or less sums up how I feel minus the 25th push

I think it's funny 2 posters have commented on what I thought was clearly a throw away joke. Lighten up. You "won."  No more Trump (other than on MSNBC when they hire him).

i think you should know by now that nothing is "clearly a joke" when politics is iinvolved. 

edit: and if McConnell is still majority leader, no, we didn't "win". more like a tie. 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

bootlegger10 said:

static111 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bootlegger10 said:

Not a fan of votes being counted into Wednesday and Thursday.  You want to mail it in then mail it ten days in advance.  Or drop it off.  This just creates doubt amongst some of the electorate when you have swings after Election Day.

Why are you more worried about "doubts" amongs idiots, than about if every citizens vote gets counted in an election?

I never said anything about people not being able to vote.  There is PLENTY of time to vote well in advance.  I say cutoff the mail in votes 8 days or so in advance to allow time to arrive so we don't have a million votes counted on Wed/Thurs but perhaps only 30,000 vote left to count afterwards.  I had 30 days to vote in person.  It doesn't take much time to mail in or drive by and drop off a ballot.  

The votes that are being counted have been sitting there for weeks for the most part. Republican legislatures would not allow a rules change to let the votes be counted as they come in. What you propose would take for republicans to work together and change counting rules so we could get accurate tallys more quickly.  They won’t do this because it sets them up for what we have today, crying fraud when votes are being counted.

End of day, I am for a system that counts 95%+ of the votes on election day.  So these states need to count the votes like Florida does so they can be reported on election day.  That's all I am suggesting.  Not limiting peoples' ability to vote.  I don't think there is anything wrong with some sort of rule saying that if you want to mail in your vote you must have it postmarked by whatever date, or dropped off by whatever date and if not, vote in person. 

Florida started counting weeks ago. That's the difference.