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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    I think what’s yet to be seen is are these new voters or just people voting early/differently?   All these breathless - more people already voted than voted for either candidate in 2016 may not actually mean anything other than lines will be much shorter on Election Day.

    Im not saying turnout won’t be higher.  But, extrapolating early voting to the ultimate number is foolish.  There’s no precedent or model that would help anyone accurately predict that.

    It’s great people are voting. And it sounds like despite concerns, covid really hasn’t created a problem in person.  So, that’s good too.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,455
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    EdsonNascimento said:
    I think what’s yet to be seen is are these new voters or just people voting early/differently?   All these breathless - more people already voted than voted for either candidate in 2016 may not actually mean anything other than lines will be much shorter on Election Day.

    Im not saying turnout won’t be higher.  But, extrapolating early voting to the ultimate number is foolish.  There’s no precedent or model that would help anyone accurately predict that.

    It’s great people are voting. And it sounds like despite concerns, covid really hasn’t created a problem in person.  So, that’s good too.
    i've been wondering this too. there's absolutely no way to tell if this means voting will smash records after all is tallied up. it could just mean people are expecting longer lines on nov 3 and are choosing to vote early. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,169
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    Early voting isn't new though...so if current tallies exceed prior figures that would suggest an increase in turnout.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Early voting isn't new though...so if current tallies exceed prior figures that would suggest an increase in turnout.
    i'm sure there's an increase....just saying the way it's being framed is out of context with the pandemic and potential voter intimidation as mitigating factors. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,073
    If this doesn’t make your skin crawl and your hair stand up, there’s something seriously wrong with you.

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  • dignin
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    I think what’s yet to be seen is are these new voters or just people voting early/differently?   All these breathless - more people already voted than voted for either candidate in 2016 may not actually mean anything other than lines will be much shorter on Election Day.

    Im not saying turnout won’t be higher.  But, extrapolating early voting to the ultimate number is foolish.  There’s no precedent or model that would help anyone accurately predict that.

    It’s great people are voting. And it sounds like despite concerns, covid really hasn’t created a problem in person.  So, that’s good too.
    i've been wondering this too. there's absolutely no way to tell if this means voting will smash records after all is tallied up. it could just mean people are expecting longer lines on nov 3 and are choosing to vote early. 
    Predicted record voter turnout is based on polling of enthusiasm. Can't find the article about it, but I think I posted a 538 link in the 538 thread.
  • josevolution
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    If this doesn’t make your skin crawl and your hair stand up, there’s something seriously wrong with you.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/25/deep-down-terrified-little-boy-bob-woodward-mary-trump-john-bolton-anthony-scaramucci-on-donald-trump
    The enabler GOP are to blame! 
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  • Lerxst1992
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    I think what’s yet to be seen is are these new voters or just people voting early/differently?   All these breathless - more people already voted than voted for either candidate in 2016 may not actually mean anything other than lines will be much shorter on Election Day.

    Im not saying turnout won’t be higher.  But, extrapolating early voting to the ultimate number is foolish.  There’s no precedent or model that would help anyone accurately predict that.

    It’s great people are voting. And it sounds like despite concerns, covid really hasn’t created a problem in person.  So, that’s good too.
    i've been wondering this too. there's absolutely no way to tell if this means voting will smash records after all is tallied up. it could just mean people are expecting longer lines on nov 3 and are choosing to vote early. 

    Shorter lines on Election Day can increase turn out a lot, especially in cities that spend less on election resources and have fewer polling places with long lines in the past (Detroit, Milwaukee, Philly, etc). Workers in years past leaving their jobs hungry at 5pm drive by the polling place and see very long lines drive straight home and do not vote.

    Also working from home could help increase turnout, less time commuting = more time to vote.
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    I think what’s yet to be seen is are these new voters or just people voting early/differently?   All these breathless - more people already voted than voted for either candidate in 2016 may not actually mean anything other than lines will be much shorter on Election Day.

    Im not saying turnout won’t be higher.  But, extrapolating early voting to the ultimate number is foolish.  There’s no precedent or model that would help anyone accurately predict that.

    It’s great people are voting. And it sounds like despite concerns, covid really hasn’t created a problem in person.  So, that’s good too.
    i've been wondering this too. there's absolutely no way to tell if this means voting will smash records after all is tallied up. it could just mean people are expecting longer lines on nov 3 and are choosing to vote early. 

    Shorter lines on Election Day can increase turn out a lot, especially in cities that spend less on election resources and have fewer polling places with long lines in the past (Detroit, Milwaukee, Philly, etc). Workers in years past leaving their jobs hungry at 5pm drive by the polling place and see very long lines drive straight home and do not vote.

    Also working from home could help increase turnout, less time commuting = more time to vote.
    Interesting points.  I believe COVID is the sole reason for the huge rise in early voting, but if semi-likely voters become aware of minimal crowds, maybe that gets som extras out.
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  • mrussel1
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    Voting in 18 spiked dramatically.  That,  plus the early voting numbers is part of the hypothesis. 
  • JimmyV
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    Voting for Biden this morning felt good.
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  • static111
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    Good news in Texas, Dallas Morning news Poll shows Biden leading Texas 48 to 45...let’s hope this lasts up to Election Day.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    cutz said:




    Of course. They told us they were going to do this and they did it right out in the open. Full transparency. We’ve become a banana republic. We’d be better run by Borat.
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  • mcgruff10
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    static111 said:
    Good news in Texas, Dallas Morning news Poll shows Biden leading Texas 48 to 45...let’s hope this lasts up to Election Day.
    I can’t believe that.  Texas?!?! Wow 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • static111
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    mcgruff10 said:
    static111 said:
    Good news in Texas, Dallas Morning news Poll shows Biden leading Texas 48 to 45...let’s hope this lasts up to Election Day.
    I can’t believe that.  Texas?!?! Wow 
    There is one caveat and that is that the poll was taken the day before Biden said something about transitioning from fossil fuels.  I am not as worried as some people about the fossil fuels comment.   I think most people, even those in the energy sector realize that global warming and pollution are actual issues that need solving.
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  • EdsonNascimento
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    static111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    static111 said:
    Good news in Texas, Dallas Morning news Poll shows Biden leading Texas 48 to 45...let’s hope this lasts up to Election Day.
    I can’t believe that.  Texas?!?! Wow 
    There is one caveat and that is that the poll was taken the day before Biden said something about transitioning from fossil fuels.  I am not as worried as some people about the fossil fuels comment.   I think most people, even those in the energy sector realize that global warming and pollution are actual issues that need solving.
    As I’ve said before - I know Biden is going to win.

    but you really think a 45-50 yo who’s only experience is working in the oil industry and his/her family care what our energy looks like in 20 years?   Lol. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    static111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    static111 said:
    Good news in Texas, Dallas Morning news Poll shows Biden leading Texas 48 to 45...let’s hope this lasts up to Election Day.
    I can’t believe that.  Texas?!?! Wow 
    There is one caveat and that is that the poll was taken the day before Biden said something about transitioning from fossil fuels.  I am not as worried as some people about the fossil fuels comment.   I think most people, even those in the energy sector realize that global warming and pollution are actual issues that need solving.
    It’s also within the MOE and the poll asked about gun ownership and amongst those, sleepy Woke joe basement Biden was down bigly, like 56% to 37%. Doesn’t everyone in Tejas own 3 guns?
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  • static111
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    static111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    static111 said:
    Good news in Texas, Dallas Morning news Poll shows Biden leading Texas 48 to 45...let’s hope this lasts up to Election Day.
    I can’t believe that.  Texas?!?! Wow 
    There is one caveat and that is that the poll was taken the day before Biden said something about transitioning from fossil fuels.  I am not as worried as some people about the fossil fuels comment.   I think most people, even those in the energy sector realize that global warming and pollution are actual issues that need solving.
    It’s also within the MOE and the poll asked about gun ownership and amongst those, sleepy Woke joe basement Biden was down bigly, like 56% to 37%. Doesn’t everyone in Tejas own 3 guns?
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  • MayDay10
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    EdsonNascimento said:
    static111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    static111 said:
    Good news in Texas, Dallas Morning news Poll shows Biden leading Texas 48 to 45...let’s hope this lasts up to Election Day.
    I can’t believe that.  Texas?!?! Wow 
    There is one caveat and that is that the poll was taken the day before Biden said something about transitioning from fossil fuels.  I am not as worried as some people about the fossil fuels comment.   I think most people, even those in the energy sector realize that global warming and pollution are actual issues that need solving.
    As I’ve said before - I know Biden is going to win.

    but you really think a 45-50 yo who’s only experience is working in the oil industry and his/her family care what our energy looks like in 20 years?   Lol. 
    To be fair, are those the people whose hearts are broken and they need to throw out their Biden apparel because of that comment?

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