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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Pete is 006 from GoldenEye. 

    Skip him. Go straight to AOC.

    - For all americans without healthcare, Alexandria?

    - No Pete, for me.

    *drops Pete on a satellite dish*
    I feel like Yang could be a compromise candidate.  A little more progressive and more willing to try new things, but also pretty centrist for the most part
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,607
    I'm sitting this one out
    georgia will not finish count today.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,415
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    OnWis97 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    JimmyV said:
    Republicans got more out of the Trump presidency than they ever dreamed, but now his usefulness has run out. Yesterday's garbage. 
    This.     And the smile on Mitch's face showed they are a lot smarter about this stuff than the Dems who held on to a completely unpopular family for way too long and potentially cost themselves the last 4 years in doing so. (Do any Hillary lovers think for a moment if they had just let Biden run as is the protocol 4 years ago, they never would have had to deal with Trump? - like this election was decided based on him, last election was decided based on her).

    As long as the Senate holds GOP, while Trump probably did in fact help win back some House seats, they really have no more use for him, and other than here and there he won't be able to do that in the future.

    So, are you folks all ready for President Cheney in 4 years?  (*I don't believe this. I just wanted to get you guys worked up about something different/old. Oh, and it's Liz not the old guy. We've had enough of those - oh, wait.)
    i personally find it so funny how you always hear republicans brag about them being smarter than democrats in this situation and that situation. if biden had run in 2016, he would have lost. the only reason he's winning now is because independents are energized to get that idiot out of the white house. 

    the house and senate are almost always a very close 50/50 split, so one side saying "we're so much better at this than you" is absolute nonsense. 

    if republicans are so much better at it, why did obama have 8 years in the white house with complete control of all branches for a quarter of that? why is trump going to be a one term president if they are so good at it? nothing here is shocking. republicans generally keep the same seats that they always do, same with dems. some get flipped here and there, but the most of it stays pretty status quo. 

    biden isn't dynamic or likeable in any special way. he's just not trump. that's why he wins. 

    which concerns me for 2024, but that's a way off. i don't see kamala getting the vote out unless she somehow becomes super likable in the next 3 years. the best she can hope for is getting the moderates on both sides but she won't win over the left or the right. 

    it will be nice, if biden does win, to have 4 years of calm and not some lunatic burning down his own house. 
    I think Biden might have won.  You might not realized just how hated Hillary was and for how long.  She lost a few key states by a small number of votes.  Biden, while not the most inspiring candidate, didn't have the history of being hated. Plus he was attached to a popular president.  That got George HW Bush a term in office.

    Honestly, I think Trump did much better this time. I think there was more fear of what he could in 2016 than what we know he is now.  He's gained in most demographics.  I think Biden would have won those close states Hillary lost. The fact that Trump was a miserable, contentious, self-obsessed numbskull was offset because Hillary was Hillary.

    you're right. when 2016 happened, i was shell shocked. i had literally no clue that hillary was hated. and i still can't figure out why, if everyone knew she was universally hated, the dem voters put her up. i only started hearing about this "worst candidate ever" after she lost and everyone was a monday morning quarterback. 

    if she was so hated, and everyone knew, why did everyone think it was a foregone conclusion she'd win?
    I have no idea, aside from "Trump's just such an idiot." I was nervous from day 1 about her and the hate factor.  I thought it was a terrible move by the party to push her through.*  My point stands; we'll never know, but I think Trump's narrow margin flips on the streetlight of Obama's coattails and not being Hillary. We'll never know.

    I also have no idea how sarcastic you're being, being from Canada and all. She was hated from day 1 of Bill becoming a household name. I'm not exactly sure why (partly that people wanted the first lady to be June Cleaver). Eventually, she provided reasons as she became Sec. of State.  Conservatives had an irrational hatred as early as 1991, though, and it bled into moderates and apolitical folks. 

    So, what if Biden loses to Trump in 2016 and Hillary runs now.  Where would we be?  I think we'd be waiting on five states to finish up so we could see how big Trump's margin is. 

    *To whatever degree the party did that.  Some people think it was rigged, others don't.


    no sarcasm. i legitimately had no clue she was hated until after the election and everyone who said she was a shoe in all of a sudden were "well duh, you put up the most hated/flawed candidate in the history of elections, what did you think would happen?". 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,415
    Biden
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Pete is 006 from GoldenEye. 

    Skip him. Go straight to AOC.

    - For all americans without healthcare, Alexandria?

    - No Pete, for me.

    *drops Pete on a satellite dish*
    that's sure fire way to make the country 80% red in a heartbeat. 
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    -EV  8/14/93




  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,607
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    How can people survive living in this farce. It's "parody from the 80s"-stupid. How can people vote republican...


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,607
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    This must be what people in the 40s experienced following the fall of the third reich on twitter. 


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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,607
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out

    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    remember when deez nuts ran? they got more votes than kanye.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,071
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    remember when deez nuts ran? they got more votes than kanye.
    Best name for a rapper ever! 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,607
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    Trump is on

    "illegal votes"
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,607
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out



    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,317
    Biden
    MSNBC cut away from him after the first lie. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,789
    Biden
    biden now up 1% in erie county pa....
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    I'm sitting this one out

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,539
    Off the rails. Completely off the rails.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,789
    Biden
    4k gap in ga.. ..
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,607
    I'm sitting this one out

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,789
    Biden
    dimitrispearljam said:


    stop. that garbage gets counted real time AS it comes in.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,607
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out


    I feel so embarrassed watching this. His kids or wife or soemone should stop him from doing this...
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,539
    Votes are still being cast, I suppose. “We’re going to win very easily.” Time for his cabinet to resign or invoke the 25th. He’s off the rails.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,785
    mickeyrat said:
    4k gap in ga.. ..


    3635, less than 0.1% in GA. So close.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,539
    Putin on the ritz is yanking those strings hard, yo!
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,071
    Spiritual_Chaos said:



    Fucking CNN why give him any airtime they are complicit in any violence following this kind of crap! His deplorables will act out on crap like this fuck him! 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    mickeyrat said:
    4k gap in ga.. ..
    Less than, it may happen. Go Stacey Abrams!!
  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,742
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    ABC news just cut him right off and wouldn't air the end of his speech. That's not cool. I suppose, SC, don't tune in and then complain they're airing it, though?

    Edit: I would have liked to have learned more of what his plan of attack is. He did say he'd take it to the Supreme Court more or less. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,607
    I'm sitting this one out
    dignin said:
    mickeyrat said:
    4k gap in ga.. ..
    Less than, it may happen. Go Stacey Abrams!!

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,539
    The press needs to stake out every repub member of Congress and Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat’s Cabinet and ask them if they believe ballots are illegal and whether they think the election is being stolen. Stake out their homes and hound those fuckers. Where is Moscow Mitchy Baby? Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy Graham? Mittens? Have they no shame? Do they really want to see the nation burn? For that POS?

    How about the trumpers on here? You okay with Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat’s rhetoric?
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,071
    tish said:
    ABC news just cut him right off and wouldn't air the end of his speech. That's not cool. I suppose, SC, don't tune in and then complain they're airing it, though?

    Edit: I would have liked to have learned more of what his plan of attack is. He did say he'd take it to the Supreme Court more or less. 
    That’s just it he can’t attack it’s more of a dog whistle to his cult believe me I see it every day here in red Suffolk county.. he shouldn’t be giving any airtime at all IMO 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,539
    Santorum is a POS.
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  • kce8kce8 Posts: 1,636
    Someone should finally explain the voting system to him. He's truly believing the BS coming out of his mouth. 

    So sad. If he were my father I would really do anything to stop him from showing off like that. What a shame on him. It almost looks like he's being let into the open knife. If he wasn't such a terrible guy you could almost feel sorry for him.

    Such a shame for the country.
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