Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 4,970
    Biden
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
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  • OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Kamala doesn't get "destroyed" by either, unless you believe that thinking Tupac is still alive is of national concern and puts you "out of touch."
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
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    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Kamala doesn't get "destroyed" by either, unless you believe that thinking Tupac is still alive is of national concern and puts you "out of touch."
    I think he maybe means that Kamala doesn't have the strong support of Biden.  She did finish last in the crop of primary candidates and wasn't chosen by the electorate.  Could lead to some people being disaffected. But no I don't think for a second she would get Destroyed...would it narrow the race? Absolutely
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 4,970
    Biden
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Kamala doesn't get "destroyed" by either, unless you believe that thinking Tupac is still alive is of national concern and puts you "out of touch."
    I think he maybe means that Kamala doesn't have the strong support of Biden.  She did finish last in the crop of primary candidates and wasn't chosen by the electorate.  Could lead to some people being disaffected. But no I don't think for a second she would get Destroyed...would it narrow the race? Absolutely
    I mean that she's a woman of color.  That's all I meant. She's also a bit of an unknown. Yeah, she kind of has a bit of a "cool factor" (particularly compared to the other three codgers), but as you point out, she never really gained a lot of traction in the primaries. And finally, I think it would bug people to have to choose someone that was never meant to be at the top of the ticket.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,426
    Biden
    Bidens are negative for COVID...
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,173
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Uhmm No
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,466
    Biden
    Bidens are negative for COVID...
    Biden is too strong for Covid. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 4,970
    Biden
    Bidens are negative for COVID...
    Relieved...

    My gut reaction was to say "now offer to debate from two separate places."  But he has to be more sensitive to potential symptoms that Trump may get.
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  • jerparker20jerparker20 Posts: 2,461
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
  • KatKat Posts: 4,832
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    He should be very afraid. She knows her stuff.
    Good news that VPJoe and Jill are ok. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 4,970
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh, I think she's going to carve him up at the debate...but I don't think a fairly unknown woman of color getting bumped up to the top of the ticket would fare well in the election.  Thankfully, Joe tested negative.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,426
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,466
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,616
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,522
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    onwis is referring to electability, not debatability. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,522
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
    you think? pence will be calm as a cucumber for sure, but i don't see him being that effective. 
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  • Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
    Another vulnerability for her is her time as California DA where she locked up a lot of people (mostly black) for marijuana charges, and fought to keep nonviolent offenders locked up. Trump has done the opposite, commuting a few thousand sentences of nonviolent offenders (likely for political reasons, but still). Another one is Harris tweeting support of that "Freedom Fund" that was meant to help "protesters" during the George Floyd riots get bail. There may be more to it than that, but Pence will likely point to it as evidence that she's willing to put people in jail for marijuana, yet wants to help rioters and looters. Some fuel for his inevitable "radial left" talking points. 

    Pence has the unenviable task of trying to defend Trump, which his impossible at times. But at this point, everyone knows how shitty Trump is so Pence will just spout some time-filling bullshit before getting back on the offensive. Really, it's Harris that will be "on trail" here, so to speak. So like you said, slight advantage to Pence, but I don't know how much VP debates even matter. Though Harris and Pence will probably come off more competent than Biden and Trump (because they are), so that may register with some voters. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 4,970
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
    Didn't see that coming out of you. 

    I just think she's sharper and quicker than he is.  True, Pence is above the "Trump Bar" but I don't think he has much personality and I think he'll wilt a bit if she gets pointed...her role will be to put him on the spot but don't do anything to get labeled in ways that women tend to get labeled ("nasty" or too emotional).

    As for those issues, they seem like a wash.  I think she'll be better-able to articulate why the "S" word isn't a big issue.  Not to mention that issues are hardly even important.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,466
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
    Didn't see that coming out of you. 

    I just think she's sharper and quicker than he is.  True, Pence is above the "Trump Bar" but I don't think he has much personality and I think he'll wilt a bit if she gets pointed...her role will be to put him on the spot but don't do anything to get labeled in ways that women tend to get labeled ("nasty" or too emotional).

    As for those issues, they seem like a wash.  I think she'll be better-able to articulate why the "S" word isn't a big issue.  Not to mention that issues are hardly even important.
    Yeah I just think she will handle herself real well. She's a prosecutor. I thought she did real well in the debates last year too.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
    Didn't see that coming out of you. 

    I just think she's sharper and quicker than he is.  True, Pence is above the "Trump Bar" but I don't think he has much personality and I think he'll wilt a bit if she gets pointed...her role will be to put him on the spot but don't do anything to get labeled in ways that women tend to get labeled ("nasty" or too emotional).

    As for those issues, they seem like a wash.  I think she'll be better-able to articulate why the "S" word isn't a big issue.  Not to mention that issues are hardly even important.
    Haha.. I'm not a shill.  It's just that Trump is so bad at communicating to anyone other than his base, that I see him as his own worst enemy.  Pence is more of a traditional politician and a professional.  Kamela has some vulnerabilities.  Pence does too though, particularly in his record as governor.  He hasn't exactly been pro minorities on crime and his mismanagement of the HIV outbreak in Indiana is appalling.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,522
    Biden
    i have a feeling harris will be more trump and pence will be more biden in this debate. 
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    Biden
    WH knew Hicks was positive and Trump went to Jersey anyway.....

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    WH knew Hicks was positive and Trump went to Jersey anyway.....

    Gross negligence and incompetence. 
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    Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden drawing some distinctions in Grand Rapids just now. How to be presidential, you might say.
    that was a great speech. he said he was praying for the first family. trump would have never said such a thing.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,466
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    Trump's being rushed to Walter Reed
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    Pretty elaborate hoax.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,520
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
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    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
    Didn't see that coming out of you. 

    I just think she's sharper and quicker than he is.  True, Pence is above the "Trump Bar" but I don't think he has much personality and I think he'll wilt a bit if she gets pointed...her role will be to put him on the spot but don't do anything to get labeled in ways that women tend to get labeled ("nasty" or too emotional).

    As for those issues, they seem like a wash.  I think she'll be better-able to articulate why the "S" word isn't a big issue.  Not to mention that issues are hardly even important.
    Haha.. I'm not a shill.  It's just that Trump is so bad at communicating to anyone other than his base, that I see him as his own worst enemy.  Pence is more of a traditional politician and a professional.  Kamela has some vulnerabilities.  Pence does too though, particularly in his record as governor.  He hasn't exactly been pro minorities on crime and his mismanagement of the HIV outbreak in Indiana is appalling.  
    Although I do agree Harris has a terrible record on pot prosecutions, she is highly skilled at arguing a case. And she should prosecute Pence for covid "crimes" tuesday.

    One of the biggest criticisms against Republicans is they are complicit with alot of dangerous things trump says. Pence is suspect number one.

    She should prosecute Pence for the dangers his complicity is regarding covid. Over and over republicans are getting infected, yet they constantly ridicule mask wearing. Trump mocks Biden for wearing a mask and 2 days later trump is sick in bed lethargic with a low grade fever. And Pence says nothing...again.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,742
    Biden
    Trump's being rushed to Walter Reed

    rushed? do me a favor? rest of us too. link an article when you post like this, will ya?

    you sorta give the impression he's on his deathbed...


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