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    i love how all of these conservatives in the media are asking biden to suspend his campaign. as if trump would ever, ever, ever consider doing so if it were biden in the hospital.

    fuck that. trump is on the ropes now. his campaign is in trouble. DO NOT LET UP, JOE!!
    Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden suspended all negative advertising on all platforms. Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat campaign? Not so much. Fuck them.
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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,936
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    brianlux said:
    PJNB said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    October 2, 2020 (Friday)
    Letter From an American
    Heather Cox Richardson

    Today’s media was consumed with news of the spread of coronavirus to the president and First Lady, as well as concern over the degree to which it has spread to other people associated with the White House. A number of those who attended the Rose Garden announcement of Trump’s nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court have tested positive. That number includes the Trumps, Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC), Senator Mike Lee (R-UT), and Fr. John Jenkins, president of Notre Dame. Also infected are Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the Republican National Committee, and at least three journalists who have attended White House events in the past week.

    And tonight, presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway reported that she, too, has tested positive.

    As I write this, just before midnight, Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien has just announced he, too, has tested positive for the coronavirus.

    Five minutes after midnight (sorry for breaking the midnight rule again), we learned that 11 staffers from the Cleveland debate also tested positive.

    We will not learn of infections among the Secret Service.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has tested negative, as have Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden.

    This evening, medical professionals transferred the president to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center “out of an abundance of caution.” He walked from the helicopter under his own power, and posted a short video to his Twitter account assuring viewers that he is doing “very well.” He remains in charge; power has not transferred to Vice President Mike Pence.

    Aside from the personal implications of the spread of this illness—and let’s remember that there are 46,459 other Americans who have contracted the coronavirus in the last day-- this major news story has huge implications for the upcoming election. It also illustrates how the administration’s secrecy and lies take away our ability to make informed decisions about our own lives, as well as about the nation.

    The Trump entourage has refused to wear masks, social distance, or follow the advice of public health experts for reducing the spread of the virus. Now it appears that White House officials deliberately withheld information about their condition, directly endangering other people who acted on the presumption that the Trump people weren’t infected. The Washington Post reported that Secret Service agents, who risk their lives to protect the president, are angry and frustrated: “He’s never cared about us.” The 30-50 Republican donors who met with Trump Thursday night at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, are “freaking out,” one report noted. Tickets had cost up to $250,000, and Trump met privately with about 19 people for 45 minutes. Trump knew his adviser Hope Hicks had tested positive when he left for the club, but he went anyway. He did not wear a mask.

    Reporter Chris Wallace of the Fox News Channel, who moderated Tuesday’s debate and so was one of those the Trumps' entourage endangered, revealed today that Trump arrived too late on Tuesday for a COVID-19 test, as the venue required. Instead, there was an “honor system.” Organizers assumed the people associated with the campaigns would not come unless they had tested negative. Trump’s people arrived wearing masks, which they had to have to enter the auditorium, but then removed them shortly after sitting down, and refused to put them back on. During the debate, Trump mocked Biden for his habit of wearing a mask.  

    The campaign did not tell the Biden camp that Hicks, who attended the debate, had tested positive for coronavirus the day after the event. The Biden organization learned it from the newspapers. The White House did not even tell former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who spent four days in close quarters with Hicks and Trump, helping the president prepare for the debate. He, too, learned the news from the media.

    This crisis shows how the administration’s refusal to share information and its insistence on its own version of reality creates confusion that leaves Americans vulnerable and anxious. Its history of secrecy and lies means that few people actually trust anything its spokespeople say. It was striking how many people did not believe the Trumps were actually sick when the news broke; we are so accustomed to Trump’s lies that many people thought he was simply looking for a way out of future debates.

    The constant lies—about coronavirus and virtually everything else—destabilize the nation because we cannot know what the truth really is. And if we don’t know what is actually happening, we cannot make good decisions. Today the editorial board of the Washington Post warned that the White House simply must let us know the truth about the president’s health so that we know who is actually running national security, the economy, and the election on our behalf.
     
    That plea did not appear to make much of an impression on the White House: it did not bother to tell Pelosi, who is third in line for the presidency, that Trump was being helicoptered to Walter Reed Hospital.

    And so we are facing a pandemic spreading through the upper ranks of the government just before an election with little faith that we will learn the truth about what is happening. That, just as much as the infections in the administration, is a crisis.

    To its credit, the Biden campaign has identified this crisis and is doing its best to restore our sense of a shared reality, based in our history and our better principles. Rather than expressing outrage that the Trump camp exposed him and his wife and guests to coronavirus, Biden offered his best wishes for Trump and the First Lady, as did his running mate Kamala Harris. Biden’s campaign pulled all its negative ads out of respect for the president’s illness (the Trump campaign refused to follow suit).  

    Biden spoke in Michigan today, assuring the audience that “We can get this pandemic under control so we can get our economy working again for everyone.” But, he emphasized, “this cannot be a partisan moment. It must be an American moment. We have to come together as a nation.” He promised to get rid of the toxic partisanship that is keeping us all off balance. “I’m running as a Democrat,” he said, “but I will… govern as an American president. Whether you voted for me or against me, I will represent you... and those who see each other as fellow Americans who just don’t live in red states or blue states but who live in and love the United States of America. That’s who we are.”

    To an increasingly weary country, he offered hope that we really can heal the nation’s ills. “There’s never been a single solitary thing America’s been unable to do. Think of this. Not once. Not a single thing we’ve not been able to overcome when we’ve done it together. So let’s get the heck up. Remember who in God’s name we are. This is the United States of America,” he said. “There’s nothing beyond our capacity.”

    Heather Cox Richardson is so amazing.  My wife turned me on to her FB page and we both read it regularly. 
    Cox Richardson really nailed it here. 
    Any Trump fans who still follow him after this debacle has to be either a compete idiot or just plane out of their freakin' mind.
    Agreed. Could you imagine if Biden was hospitalized this late in the game? His presidential run or at least chances would be over. 

    I dread the thought!  I hope Biden wasn't exposed at the debate.
    Based on the timing of this (and all the subsequent bullshit that is surrounding it) I think he may have knowingly tried to expose Biden to it with this exact thought in mind.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 41,017
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    PJNB said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    October 2, 2020 (Friday)
    Letter From an American
    Heather Cox Richardson

    Today’s media was consumed with news of the spread of coronavirus to the president and First Lady, as well as concern over the degree to which it has spread to other people associated with the White House. A number of those who attended the Rose Garden announcement of Trump’s nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court have tested positive. That number includes the Trumps, Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC), Senator Mike Lee (R-UT), and Fr. John Jenkins, president of Notre Dame. Also infected are Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the Republican National Committee, and at least three journalists who have attended White House events in the past week.

    And tonight, presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway reported that she, too, has tested positive.

    As I write this, just before midnight, Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien has just announced he, too, has tested positive for the coronavirus.

    Five minutes after midnight (sorry for breaking the midnight rule again), we learned that 11 staffers from the Cleveland debate also tested positive.

    We will not learn of infections among the Secret Service.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has tested negative, as have Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden.

    This evening, medical professionals transferred the president to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center “out of an abundance of caution.” He walked from the helicopter under his own power, and posted a short video to his Twitter account assuring viewers that he is doing “very well.” He remains in charge; power has not transferred to Vice President Mike Pence.

    Aside from the personal implications of the spread of this illness—and let’s remember that there are 46,459 other Americans who have contracted the coronavirus in the last day-- this major news story has huge implications for the upcoming election. It also illustrates how the administration’s secrecy and lies take away our ability to make informed decisions about our own lives, as well as about the nation.

    The Trump entourage has refused to wear masks, social distance, or follow the advice of public health experts for reducing the spread of the virus. Now it appears that White House officials deliberately withheld information about their condition, directly endangering other people who acted on the presumption that the Trump people weren’t infected. The Washington Post reported that Secret Service agents, who risk their lives to protect the president, are angry and frustrated: “He’s never cared about us.” The 30-50 Republican donors who met with Trump Thursday night at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, are “freaking out,” one report noted. Tickets had cost up to $250,000, and Trump met privately with about 19 people for 45 minutes. Trump knew his adviser Hope Hicks had tested positive when he left for the club, but he went anyway. He did not wear a mask.

    Reporter Chris Wallace of the Fox News Channel, who moderated Tuesday’s debate and so was one of those the Trumps' entourage endangered, revealed today that Trump arrived too late on Tuesday for a COVID-19 test, as the venue required. Instead, there was an “honor system.” Organizers assumed the people associated with the campaigns would not come unless they had tested negative. Trump’s people arrived wearing masks, which they had to have to enter the auditorium, but then removed them shortly after sitting down, and refused to put them back on. During the debate, Trump mocked Biden for his habit of wearing a mask.  

    The campaign did not tell the Biden camp that Hicks, who attended the debate, had tested positive for coronavirus the day after the event. The Biden organization learned it from the newspapers. The White House did not even tell former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who spent four days in close quarters with Hicks and Trump, helping the president prepare for the debate. He, too, learned the news from the media.

    This crisis shows how the administration’s refusal to share information and its insistence on its own version of reality creates confusion that leaves Americans vulnerable and anxious. Its history of secrecy and lies means that few people actually trust anything its spokespeople say. It was striking how many people did not believe the Trumps were actually sick when the news broke; we are so accustomed to Trump’s lies that many people thought he was simply looking for a way out of future debates.

    The constant lies—about coronavirus and virtually everything else—destabilize the nation because we cannot know what the truth really is. And if we don’t know what is actually happening, we cannot make good decisions. Today the editorial board of the Washington Post warned that the White House simply must let us know the truth about the president’s health so that we know who is actually running national security, the economy, and the election on our behalf.
     
    That plea did not appear to make much of an impression on the White House: it did not bother to tell Pelosi, who is third in line for the presidency, that Trump was being helicoptered to Walter Reed Hospital.

    And so we are facing a pandemic spreading through the upper ranks of the government just before an election with little faith that we will learn the truth about what is happening. That, just as much as the infections in the administration, is a crisis.

    To its credit, the Biden campaign has identified this crisis and is doing its best to restore our sense of a shared reality, based in our history and our better principles. Rather than expressing outrage that the Trump camp exposed him and his wife and guests to coronavirus, Biden offered his best wishes for Trump and the First Lady, as did his running mate Kamala Harris. Biden’s campaign pulled all its negative ads out of respect for the president’s illness (the Trump campaign refused to follow suit).  

    Biden spoke in Michigan today, assuring the audience that “We can get this pandemic under control so we can get our economy working again for everyone.” But, he emphasized, “this cannot be a partisan moment. It must be an American moment. We have to come together as a nation.” He promised to get rid of the toxic partisanship that is keeping us all off balance. “I’m running as a Democrat,” he said, “but I will… govern as an American president. Whether you voted for me or against me, I will represent you... and those who see each other as fellow Americans who just don’t live in red states or blue states but who live in and love the United States of America. That’s who we are.”

    To an increasingly weary country, he offered hope that we really can heal the nation’s ills. “There’s never been a single solitary thing America’s been unable to do. Think of this. Not once. Not a single thing we’ve not been able to overcome when we’ve done it together. So let’s get the heck up. Remember who in God’s name we are. This is the United States of America,” he said. “There’s nothing beyond our capacity.”

    Heather Cox Richardson is so amazing.  My wife turned me on to her FB page and we both read it regularly. 
    Cox Richardson really nailed it here. 
    Any Trump fans who still follow him after this debacle has to be either a compete idiot or just plane out of their freakin' mind.
    Agreed. Could you imagine if Biden was hospitalized this late in the game? His presidential run or at least chances would be over. 

    I dread the thought!  I hope Biden wasn't exposed at the debate.
    Based on the timing of this (and all the subsequent bullshit that is surrounding it) I think he may have knowingly tried to expose Biden to it with this exact thought in mind.

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    jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    PJNB said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    October 2, 2020 (Friday)
    Letter From an American
    Heather Cox Richardson

    Today’s media was consumed with news of the spread of coronavirus to the president and First Lady, as well as concern over the degree to which it has spread to other people associated with the White House. A number of those who attended the Rose Garden announcement of Trump’s nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court have tested positive. That number includes the Trumps, Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC), Senator Mike Lee (R-UT), and Fr. John Jenkins, president of Notre Dame. Also infected are Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the Republican National Committee, and at least three journalists who have attended White House events in the past week.

    And tonight, presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway reported that she, too, has tested positive.

    As I write this, just before midnight, Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien has just announced he, too, has tested positive for the coronavirus.

    Five minutes after midnight (sorry for breaking the midnight rule again), we learned that 11 staffers from the Cleveland debate also tested positive.

    We will not learn of infections among the Secret Service.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has tested negative, as have Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden.

    This evening, medical professionals transferred the president to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center “out of an abundance of caution.” He walked from the helicopter under his own power, and posted a short video to his Twitter account assuring viewers that he is doing “very well.” He remains in charge; power has not transferred to Vice President Mike Pence.

    Aside from the personal implications of the spread of this illness—and let’s remember that there are 46,459 other Americans who have contracted the coronavirus in the last day-- this major news story has huge implications for the upcoming election. It also illustrates how the administration’s secrecy and lies take away our ability to make informed decisions about our own lives, as well as about the nation.

    The Trump entourage has refused to wear masks, social distance, or follow the advice of public health experts for reducing the spread of the virus. Now it appears that White House officials deliberately withheld information about their condition, directly endangering other people who acted on the presumption that the Trump people weren’t infected. The Washington Post reported that Secret Service agents, who risk their lives to protect the president, are angry and frustrated: “He’s never cared about us.” The 30-50 Republican donors who met with Trump Thursday night at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, are “freaking out,” one report noted. Tickets had cost up to $250,000, and Trump met privately with about 19 people for 45 minutes. Trump knew his adviser Hope Hicks had tested positive when he left for the club, but he went anyway. He did not wear a mask.

    Reporter Chris Wallace of the Fox News Channel, who moderated Tuesday’s debate and so was one of those the Trumps' entourage endangered, revealed today that Trump arrived too late on Tuesday for a COVID-19 test, as the venue required. Instead, there was an “honor system.” Organizers assumed the people associated with the campaigns would not come unless they had tested negative. Trump’s people arrived wearing masks, which they had to have to enter the auditorium, but then removed them shortly after sitting down, and refused to put them back on. During the debate, Trump mocked Biden for his habit of wearing a mask.  

    The campaign did not tell the Biden camp that Hicks, who attended the debate, had tested positive for coronavirus the day after the event. The Biden organization learned it from the newspapers. The White House did not even tell former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who spent four days in close quarters with Hicks and Trump, helping the president prepare for the debate. He, too, learned the news from the media.

    This crisis shows how the administration’s refusal to share information and its insistence on its own version of reality creates confusion that leaves Americans vulnerable and anxious. Its history of secrecy and lies means that few people actually trust anything its spokespeople say. It was striking how many people did not believe the Trumps were actually sick when the news broke; we are so accustomed to Trump’s lies that many people thought he was simply looking for a way out of future debates.

    The constant lies—about coronavirus and virtually everything else—destabilize the nation because we cannot know what the truth really is. And if we don’t know what is actually happening, we cannot make good decisions. Today the editorial board of the Washington Post warned that the White House simply must let us know the truth about the president’s health so that we know who is actually running national security, the economy, and the election on our behalf.
     
    That plea did not appear to make much of an impression on the White House: it did not bother to tell Pelosi, who is third in line for the presidency, that Trump was being helicoptered to Walter Reed Hospital.

    And so we are facing a pandemic spreading through the upper ranks of the government just before an election with little faith that we will learn the truth about what is happening. That, just as much as the infections in the administration, is a crisis.

    To its credit, the Biden campaign has identified this crisis and is doing its best to restore our sense of a shared reality, based in our history and our better principles. Rather than expressing outrage that the Trump camp exposed him and his wife and guests to coronavirus, Biden offered his best wishes for Trump and the First Lady, as did his running mate Kamala Harris. Biden’s campaign pulled all its negative ads out of respect for the president’s illness (the Trump campaign refused to follow suit).  

    Biden spoke in Michigan today, assuring the audience that “We can get this pandemic under control so we can get our economy working again for everyone.” But, he emphasized, “this cannot be a partisan moment. It must be an American moment. We have to come together as a nation.” He promised to get rid of the toxic partisanship that is keeping us all off balance. “I’m running as a Democrat,” he said, “but I will… govern as an American president. Whether you voted for me or against me, I will represent you... and those who see each other as fellow Americans who just don’t live in red states or blue states but who live in and love the United States of America. That’s who we are.”

    To an increasingly weary country, he offered hope that we really can heal the nation’s ills. “There’s never been a single solitary thing America’s been unable to do. Think of this. Not once. Not a single thing we’ve not been able to overcome when we’ve done it together. So let’s get the heck up. Remember who in God’s name we are. This is the United States of America,” he said. “There’s nothing beyond our capacity.”

    Heather Cox Richardson is so amazing.  My wife turned me on to her FB page and we both read it regularly. 
    Cox Richardson really nailed it here. 
    Any Trump fans who still follow him after this debacle has to be either a compete idiot or just plane out of their freakin' mind.
    Agreed. Could you imagine if Biden was hospitalized this late in the game? His presidential run or at least chances would be over. 

    I dread the thought!  I hope Biden wasn't exposed at the debate.
    Based on the timing of this (and all the subsequent bullshit that is surrounding it) I think he may have knowingly tried to expose Biden to it with this exact thought in mind.
    I wouldn't doubt it. Trump is a bio weapon and the biggest national security threat the country is facing. 
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,936
    Biden
    jeffbr said:
    brianlux said:
    PJNB said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    October 2, 2020 (Friday)
    Letter From an American
    Heather Cox Richardson

    Today’s media was consumed with news of the spread of coronavirus to the president and First Lady, as well as concern over the degree to which it has spread to other people associated with the White House. A number of those who attended the Rose Garden announcement of Trump’s nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court have tested positive. That number includes the Trumps, Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC), Senator Mike Lee (R-UT), and Fr. John Jenkins, president of Notre Dame. Also infected are Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the Republican National Committee, and at least three journalists who have attended White House events in the past week.

    And tonight, presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway reported that she, too, has tested positive.

    As I write this, just before midnight, Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien has just announced he, too, has tested positive for the coronavirus.

    Five minutes after midnight (sorry for breaking the midnight rule again), we learned that 11 staffers from the Cleveland debate also tested positive.

    We will not learn of infections among the Secret Service.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has tested negative, as have Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden.

    This evening, medical professionals transferred the president to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center “out of an abundance of caution.” He walked from the helicopter under his own power, and posted a short video to his Twitter account assuring viewers that he is doing “very well.” He remains in charge; power has not transferred to Vice President Mike Pence.

    Aside from the personal implications of the spread of this illness—and let’s remember that there are 46,459 other Americans who have contracted the coronavirus in the last day-- this major news story has huge implications for the upcoming election. It also illustrates how the administration’s secrecy and lies take away our ability to make informed decisions about our own lives, as well as about the nation.

    The Trump entourage has refused to wear masks, social distance, or follow the advice of public health experts for reducing the spread of the virus. Now it appears that White House officials deliberately withheld information about their condition, directly endangering other people who acted on the presumption that the Trump people weren’t infected. The Washington Post reported that Secret Service agents, who risk their lives to protect the president, are angry and frustrated: “He’s never cared about us.” The 30-50 Republican donors who met with Trump Thursday night at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, are “freaking out,” one report noted. Tickets had cost up to $250,000, and Trump met privately with about 19 people for 45 minutes. Trump knew his adviser Hope Hicks had tested positive when he left for the club, but he went anyway. He did not wear a mask.

    Reporter Chris Wallace of the Fox News Channel, who moderated Tuesday’s debate and so was one of those the Trumps' entourage endangered, revealed today that Trump arrived too late on Tuesday for a COVID-19 test, as the venue required. Instead, there was an “honor system.” Organizers assumed the people associated with the campaigns would not come unless they had tested negative. Trump’s people arrived wearing masks, which they had to have to enter the auditorium, but then removed them shortly after sitting down, and refused to put them back on. During the debate, Trump mocked Biden for his habit of wearing a mask.  

    The campaign did not tell the Biden camp that Hicks, who attended the debate, had tested positive for coronavirus the day after the event. The Biden organization learned it from the newspapers. The White House did not even tell former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who spent four days in close quarters with Hicks and Trump, helping the president prepare for the debate. He, too, learned the news from the media.

    This crisis shows how the administration’s refusal to share information and its insistence on its own version of reality creates confusion that leaves Americans vulnerable and anxious. Its history of secrecy and lies means that few people actually trust anything its spokespeople say. It was striking how many people did not believe the Trumps were actually sick when the news broke; we are so accustomed to Trump’s lies that many people thought he was simply looking for a way out of future debates.

    The constant lies—about coronavirus and virtually everything else—destabilize the nation because we cannot know what the truth really is. And if we don’t know what is actually happening, we cannot make good decisions. Today the editorial board of the Washington Post warned that the White House simply must let us know the truth about the president’s health so that we know who is actually running national security, the economy, and the election on our behalf.
     
    That plea did not appear to make much of an impression on the White House: it did not bother to tell Pelosi, who is third in line for the presidency, that Trump was being helicoptered to Walter Reed Hospital.

    And so we are facing a pandemic spreading through the upper ranks of the government just before an election with little faith that we will learn the truth about what is happening. That, just as much as the infections in the administration, is a crisis.

    To its credit, the Biden campaign has identified this crisis and is doing its best to restore our sense of a shared reality, based in our history and our better principles. Rather than expressing outrage that the Trump camp exposed him and his wife and guests to coronavirus, Biden offered his best wishes for Trump and the First Lady, as did his running mate Kamala Harris. Biden’s campaign pulled all its negative ads out of respect for the president’s illness (the Trump campaign refused to follow suit).  

    Biden spoke in Michigan today, assuring the audience that “We can get this pandemic under control so we can get our economy working again for everyone.” But, he emphasized, “this cannot be a partisan moment. It must be an American moment. We have to come together as a nation.” He promised to get rid of the toxic partisanship that is keeping us all off balance. “I’m running as a Democrat,” he said, “but I will… govern as an American president. Whether you voted for me or against me, I will represent you... and those who see each other as fellow Americans who just don’t live in red states or blue states but who live in and love the United States of America. That’s who we are.”

    To an increasingly weary country, he offered hope that we really can heal the nation’s ills. “There’s never been a single solitary thing America’s been unable to do. Think of this. Not once. Not a single thing we’ve not been able to overcome when we’ve done it together. So let’s get the heck up. Remember who in God’s name we are. This is the United States of America,” he said. “There’s nothing beyond our capacity.”

    Heather Cox Richardson is so amazing.  My wife turned me on to her FB page and we both read it regularly. 
    Cox Richardson really nailed it here. 
    Any Trump fans who still follow him after this debacle has to be either a compete idiot or just plane out of their freakin' mind.
    Agreed. Could you imagine if Biden was hospitalized this late in the game? His presidential run or at least chances would be over. 

    I dread the thought!  I hope Biden wasn't exposed at the debate.
    Based on the timing of this (and all the subsequent bullshit that is surrounding it) I think he may have knowingly tried to expose Biden to it with this exact thought in mind.
    I wouldn't doubt it. Trump is a bio weapon and the biggest national security threat the country is facing. 
    Or has ever faced.
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,315
    Biden
    i love how all of these conservatives in the media are asking biden to suspend his campaign. as if trump would ever, ever, ever consider doing so if it were biden in the hospital.

    fuck that. trump is on the ropes now. his campaign is in trouble. DO NOT LET UP, JOE!!
    Exactly screw them & him! He mocked HRC when she was ill in 16 calling her weak & all kinds of garbage I’m sick of the hypocrite GOP and their base! 
    the chickens are coming home to roost. if there was ever a time for dems to play hardball, it is right fucking now.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,315
    Biden
    if you are biden, the next time you see trump in person, do you confront him over this?

    based on verified timelines, trump knew he was sick at the debate and knowingly exposed biden.

    if i am biden, i am confronting him over it. this has crossed political lines and is now personal. 

    trump is the worst SOB in american political history.

    the gop turned on nixon and have stayed with trump since day 1. they owe nixon an apology.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 41,017
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    Biden
    if you are biden, the next time you see trump in person, do you confront him over this?

    based on verified timelines, trump knew he was sick at the debate and knowingly exposed biden.

    if i am biden, i am confronting him over it. this has crossed political lines and is now personal. 

    trump is the worst SOB in american political history.

    the gop turned on nixon and have stayed with trump since day 1. they owe nixon an apology.

    Yes!  He's so unbelievably bad he goes beyond bad.  The absolute worst and anybody with half a brain knows it.
    (Damn, how is it there are so many people out there with less than half a brain!?)
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,409
    If Republican senators have taken ill with covid, won't that make it that much harder to get a Supreme Court Justice approved before the election?
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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,936
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    Zod said:
    If Republican senators have taken ill with covid, won't that make it that much harder to get a Supreme Court Justice approved before the election?
    :lol: You're too funny! If these crooked fucks want to do it before the election, they will somehow, someway find a way to do just that. In the last 4 years, they have proven time and again there is no low they are unwilling to stoop to.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 41,017
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    Zod said:
    If Republican senators have taken ill with covid, won't that make it that much harder to get a Supreme Court Justice approved before the election?

    Probably depends on how sick they get.
    There are so many aspects of this thing that are getting whirley.   Sometimes it seems like a house of cards teetering on the brink.
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    Let’s bask in the Trumplessness.
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,242
    if you are biden, the next time you see trump in person, do you confront him over this?

    based on verified timelines, trump knew he was sick at the debate and knowingly exposed biden.

    if i am biden, i am confronting him over it. this has crossed political lines and is now personal. 

    trump is the worst SOB in american political history.

    the gop turned on nixon and have stayed with trump since day 1. they owe nixon an apology.

    “You knew many in your inner circle were sick. You showed up. Your family did not wear masks. You and your family did not take the Ohio covid tests that you agreed to take, so we could all see the results. You purposefully avoided testing at the debate site to hide your situation from us. You did not tell me people close to you were sick and that you could have been contagious.

    At what point Donald, do you apologize for your selfish behavior? At what point do you apologize to my family, my staff, to Chris Wallace, to the Debate commission, all of whom you decided to put in harms way and you did not have the courage to tell any of us.’


    Problem is, trump will be a sympathetic figure, and attacking a sitting president who was just hospitalized is a slippery slope.
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    if you are biden, the next time you see trump in person, do you confront him over this?

    based on verified timelines, trump knew he was sick at the debate and knowingly exposed biden.

    if i am biden, i am confronting him over it. this has crossed political lines and is now personal. 

    trump is the worst SOB in american political history.

    the gop turned on nixon and have stayed with trump since day 1. they owe nixon an apology.

    “You knew many in your inner circle were sick. You showed up. Your family did not wear masks. You and your family did not take the Ohio covid tests that you agreed to take, so we could all see the results. You purposefully avoided testing at the debate site to hide your situation from us. You did not tell me people close to you were sick and that you could have been contagious.

    At what point Donald, do you apologize for your selfish behavior? At what point do you apologize to my family, my staff, to Chris Wallace, to the Debate commission, all of whom you decided to put in harms way and you did not have the courage to tell any of us.’


    Problem is, trump will be a sympathetic figure, and attacking a sitting president who was just hospitalized is a slippery slope.
    Sympathetic? Foolish, dumb, stupid and negligent, as well as incompetent. Grossly so. Too bad the deplorables will never realize it. 
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,846
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    Let’s bask in the Trumplessness.
    We didn’t elect a man; we elected a family.  Kush and Ivanka got this.
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,844
    if you are biden, the next time you see trump in person, do you confront him over this?

    based on verified timelines, trump knew he was sick at the debate and knowingly exposed biden.

    if i am biden, i am confronting him over it. this has crossed political lines and is now personal. 

    trump is the worst SOB in american political history.

    the gop turned on nixon and have stayed with trump since day 1. they owe nixon an apology.

    It's interesting but not surprising that Trump is a fan of Nixon.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,315
    Biden
    if you are biden, the next time you see trump in person, do you confront him over this?

    based on verified timelines, trump knew he was sick at the debate and knowingly exposed biden.

    if i am biden, i am confronting him over it. this has crossed political lines and is now personal. 

    trump is the worst SOB in american political history.

    the gop turned on nixon and have stayed with trump since day 1. they owe nixon an apology.

    “You knew many in your inner circle were sick. You showed up. Your family did not wear masks. You and your family did not take the Ohio covid tests that you agreed to take, so we could all see the results. You purposefully avoided testing at the debate site to hide your situation from us. You did not tell me people close to you were sick and that you could have been contagious.

    At what point Donald, do you apologize for your selfish behavior? At what point do you apologize to my family, my staff, to Chris Wallace, to the Debate commission, all of whom you decided to put in harms way and you did not have the courage to tell any of us.’


    Problem is, trump will be a sympathetic figure, and attacking a sitting president who was just hospitalized is a slippery slope.
    no it is not a slippery slope. trump would be attacking biden and calling for him to leave the race if it were biden in the hospital right now. 

    at this point there is blood in the water. if biden does not pounce he will look weak to the people that he needs to support him to win. 

    this is 30 days from an election. the time for milquetoast BS is over. campaign like the future of the country depends on it. because it does.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,852
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    As soon as Trump recovers,  the Biden team will eviscerate him for the way it was handled.  It's his behavior as the president for 3 1/2 years encapsulated in 72 hours. 
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Do you think Biden will win this as handily as Reagan did?  That's what needs to happen.  What a blow that would be to his ego???
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,356
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    Do you think Biden will win this as handily as Reagan did?  That's what needs to happen.  What a blow that would be to his ego???
    That would be ideal, but probably be closer than it should. It would also be a nice blow to his racist base (aka my neighbors). Then they'd have to crawl back in a hole again. They'd probably just start worshipping him instead. He could be the new Joel Osteen.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,846
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    Do you think Biden will win this as handily as Reagan did?  That's what needs to happen.  What a blow that would be to his ego???
    I don’t think anyone will ever win like that again.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,536
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    mrussel1 said:
    As soon as Trump recovers,  the Biden team will eviscerate him for the way it was handled.  It's his behavior as the president for 3 1/2 years encapsulated in 72 hours. 
    Yup. 100%.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,536
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    The next debate is a townhall. How is that even possible with a guy who supposedly had covid within the previous two weeks?
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,404
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    The next debate is a townhall. How is that even possible with a guy who supposedly had covid within the previous two weeks?
    Good question. Maybe they push it back a week? I was actually looking forward to the town hall & hope that it isn’t scrapped.
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    OnWis97 said:
    Do you think Biden will win this as handily as Reagan did?  That's what needs to happen.  What a blow that would be to his ego???
    I don’t think anyone will ever win like that again.
    Just wait until Ivanka Darlink runs.
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
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    The next debate is a townhall. How is that even possible with a guy who supposedly had covid within the previous two weeks?
    Easy because Trump is Superman and destroyed covid in record time
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,536
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    Didn't realize Biden was doing a townhall on NBC tonight. Great move, and great prep for next week whether Trump shows or not .
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,536
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    Biden’s camp:  request several times in the last few w weeks that there be two 30 minute breaks during tonight’s debate, one after the first 30 mins and the second after the next 30 mins.

    trump camp refuses.

    trump camp: requests both trump and Biden undergo drug tests.

    biden camp refuses.

    trump camp: requests that trump and Biden have a quick check for electronic aids such as ear pieces before the start of the event.

    Biden camp refuses.

    This is going to be very entertaining.  Biden would make an excellent Walmart greeter, jury is still out about prez.

    @RoleModelsinBlood31 hey buddy. About a week later now. How do you think last week went for your side?

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