Correct. Its time to cancel the NA and European tour. Redraw next year, all seats, HOPEFULLY. This is the only logical move IMO.
No thanks. I am perfectly content with my tickets/seat locations and have absolutely no issues with holding on to my tickets, as I have every intention of still attending these (spring NA for me) shows whenever they are rescheduled. Regardless if it's 2021 or 2022 they will be rescheduled. Why would they completely cancel out and redraw? How would that be fair to those who were selected in the initial drawing and chose to hold on to their tickets and wait for the make up date?
Correct. Its time to cancel the NA and European tour. Redraw next year, all seats, HOPEFULLY. This is the only logical move IMO.
Said a person who already has tickets never.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
If it is safe to sit in a seat with people on all sides, line up for concessions, line up for the restroom, line up for security for entering the building, take transit to venues, then it is safe for GA. And if not, not. Some people may decide they want to sell their GA, which is fine. There will be plenty of buyers.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
I have tickets to a few shows including MSG. GA is over for a while if ever. This will be redrawn whether I like it or not.
No, there is just not going to be any shows until it has been deemed safe to do so. Whenever that may be. If anything, maybe see some changes made to GA like having it become a seated area with rows and seat numbers to help keep "somewhat" of a distance between you and others in the area. But really its not very different to how close you are to your neighbors in Reserved seating. We will eventually get back to a point of normalcy, where people go back to attending sporting events, concerts, and festivals.
If it is safe to sit in a seat with people on all sides, line up for concessions, line up for the restroom, line up for security for entering the building, take transit to venues, then it is safe for GA. And if not, not. Some people may decide they want to sell their GA, which is fine. There will be plenty of buyers.
I dont see it happening in 2020. And I dont see them holding our money that long, thus cancel.
I don't think anyone is arguing the fact that we may not see any normalcy in 2020. I for one think that we don't see any major gatherings for the remainder of the year (although I hope that I am wrong. It will really suck if we don't get ANY sports for the remainder of 2020) and although these events, i.e. sports, concerts, festivals may not pick back up until 2021, there is still no need to completely cancel. For those who don't feel comfortable with attending anymore, or are financially unable to, etc... you have an option to have your tickets refunded and not attend. Everybody else can continue to patiently wait for these shows and events to be rescheduled and hold on to their tickets. They gave every body an option as to what they would like to do. It may not be in 2020, but at some point we will get back to living our lives pre pandemic.
"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies and statistics" -Mark Twain
The one number that seems to be trustworthy has to do with Coronavirus deaths--although it has been acknowledged that, if you die of a heart attack (for example) and test positive for Coronavirus (even without symptoms present), it is being counted as a Coronavirus death. The problem arises when trying to determine the denominator--in this instance the number of people who have the virus. That number is far higher than the number of "reported cases". There are plenty of folks who have had (in January/February) the virus and thought it was nothing more than the flu or a cold....there are many more (one model has 50% of the population having already been exposed) people who were asymptomatic carriers. The most annoying graph that is shown is the sharp rise in the number of cases---it is a direct result of more tests being performed.
I am in no way saying that we should not be concerned and continue practicing social distancing (the ridiculously low California death numbers - at this point- have to be attributed at some level to the community actions). I also cannot state with certainty that this is nothing more than a bad flu---the numbers cannot be trusted at this point. They can be bent to support whatever result you want to run up your flagpole.
Basing our positions as to whether concerts, sports, life will begin tomorrow or in 2022 on statistical "proof" (lies) is a fool's errand. With that said....I am still holding onto my Oakland and LA tickets for the rescheduled date....and I am so willing to bury my head in the sand to the information being provided to me that I went ahead and got Ohana tickets...and a hotel room.
Sorry for the ramble but "the only thing to fear is fear itself" and I believe that the numbers that are being reported are done for shock and to force compliance for the segment of the population that would say "f*** it" if they were not made to feel that it would likely affect them. We will be okay--we will make it through this as a world, country, state, community, family and (way down the list) Pearl Jam fans.
"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies and statistics" -Mark Twain
The one number that seems to be trustworthy has to do with Coronavirus deaths--although it has been acknowledged that, if you die of a heart attack (for example) and test positive for Coronavirus (even without symptoms present), it is being counted as a Coronavirus death. The problem arises when trying to determine the denominator--in this instance the number of people who have the virus. That number is far higher than the number of "reported cases". There are plenty of folks who have had (in January/February) the virus and thought it was nothing more than the flu or a cold....there are many more (one model has 50% of the population having already been exposed) people who were asymptomatic carriers. The most annoying graph that is shown is the sharp rise in the number of cases---it is a direct result of more tests being performed.
I am in no way saying that we should not be concerned and continue practicing social distancing (the ridiculously low California death numbers - at this point- have to be attributed at some level to the community actions). I also cannot state with certainty that this is nothing more than a bad flu---the numbers cannot be trusted at this point. They can be bent to support whatever result you want to run up your flagpole.
Basing our positions as to whether concerts, sports, life will begin tomorrow or in 2022 on statistical "proof" (lies) is a fool's errand. With that said....I am still holding onto my Oakland and LA tickets for the rescheduled date....and I am so willing to bury my head in the sand to the information being provided to me that I went ahead and got Ohana tickets...and a hotel room.
Sorry for the ramble but "the only thing to fear is fear itself" and I believe that the numbers that are being reported are done for shock and to force compliance for the segment of the population that would say "f*** it" if they were not made to feel that it would likely affect them. We will be okay--we will make it through this as a world, country, state, community, family and (way down the list) Pearl Jam fans.
We will make it through this, except for the tens of thousands who don't
1996.....Toronto 2005.....Hamilton 2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton 2013.....London, Buffalo 2014.....Detroit 2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1 2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2 2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto 2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2 2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2 2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies and statistics" -Mark Twain
The one number that seems to be trustworthy has to do with Coronavirus deaths--although it has been acknowledged that, if you die of a heart attack (for example) and test positive for Coronavirus (even without symptoms present), it is being counted as a Coronavirus death. The problem arises when trying to determine the denominator--in this instance the number of people who have the virus. That number is far higher than the number of "reported cases". There are plenty of folks who have had (in January/February) the virus and thought it was nothing more than the flu or a cold....there are many more (one model has 50% of the population having already been exposed) people who were asymptomatic carriers. The most annoying graph that is shown is the sharp rise in the number of cases---it is a direct result of more tests being performed.
I am in no way saying that we should not be concerned and continue practicing social distancing (the ridiculously low California death numbers - at this point- have to be attributed at some level to the community actions). I also cannot state with certainty that this is nothing more than a bad flu---the numbers cannot be trusted at this point. They can be bent to support whatever result you want to run up your flagpole.
Basing our positions as to whether concerts, sports, life will begin tomorrow or in 2022 on statistical "proof" (lies) is a fool's errand. With that said....I am still holding onto my Oakland and LA tickets for the rescheduled date....and I am so willing to bury my head in the sand to the information being provided to me that I went ahead and got Ohana tickets...and a hotel room.
Sorry for the ramble but "the only thing to fear is fear itself" and I believe that the numbers that are being reported are done for shock and to force compliance for the segment of the population that would say "f*** it" if they were not made to feel that it would likely affect them. We will be okay--we will make it through this as a world, country, state, community, family and (way down the list) Pearl Jam fans.
Healthy people in their 20s, 30s and 40s don't die from a bad flu. this is different.
i've said it before but we won't get back to mass gatherings until we start to test everyone and track. like s. korea and germany. i've still heard nothing about any type of system that is being set up. i predict trump will attempt to re-open the country by mid may and most red states will do it and 3 or 4 weeks later we'll see another massive spike.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Vaccination is the only way to get most folks confidence back to gather in peace and that’s a ways away! 2020 is done for me not setting foot anywhere that has a gathering of more that 10 people..
Vaccination is the only way to get most folks confidence back to gather in peace and that’s a ways away! 2020 is done for me not setting foot anywhere that has a gathering of more that 10 people..
Disagree with the most folks comment. I know there are a lot of people that feel that way, you included but I would say that you would be in the minority for sure.
can't read that without prescribing. what is his premise on why not until thanksgiving? a lot of sporting events have been postponed until September/October. I would think those have more information than we are getting and suspect they will be able to go in september/october.
It is almost like we are in unchartered waters here and no one really knows what the fuck is going to happen in the next week let along the next month or the next season or even the next year. It is all speculation at this point.
Saying that you can be on the side that thinks this thing lasts until there is a vaccine or you can be on the side that is hopeful that we can move on from this sooner rather than later. You can find an article that is going to support whatever belief/hope you are siding on. Until time passes and this virus goes in the direction that it has decided to go we are just sitting here waiting...
Vaccination is the only way to get most folks confidence back to gather in peace and that’s a ways away! 2020 is done for me not setting foot anywhere that has a gathering of more that 10 people..
Disagree with the most folks comment. I know there are a lot of people that feel that way, you included but I would say that you would be in the minority for sure.
I think that's true, but customer sentiment is likely a minor factor in the decision whether and when to resume large gatherings. You could surely find 20,000 people in a large city willing to risk infection to see a big performer, but if science says that some of those people will get seriously ill and die, the government/venue won't allow it to proceed.
Vaccination is the only way to get most folks confidence back to gather in peace and that’s a ways away! 2020 is done for me not setting foot anywhere that has a gathering of more that 10 people..
Disagree with the most folks comment. I know there are a lot of people that feel that way, you included but I would say that you would be in the minority for sure.
I think that's true, but customer sentiment is likely a minor factor in the decision whether and when to resume large gatherings. You could surely find 20,000 people in a large city willing to risk infection to see a big performer, but if science says that some of those people will get seriously ill and die, the government/venue won't allow it to proceed.
Absolutely.
We are listening to these health experts right now and doing as they say with the social distancing. I am 100% on board with this and hope it is doing what it is intended to do. It seems like it is working. What I do not get though is that if these same health experts come out and say that we are good to go to concerts again with no vaccine some people are not going to listen to them? How can we trust them to tells us to stay at home but not trust them to say we can be in crowds again. Not speaking to you just in general.
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Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
postpone, keep the seats while offering 100% full refund if the new dates don’t work out.
Dr. Jeffrey Smith, Santa Clara County (home of 49ers) executive officer, does not expect “any sports games until at least Thanksgiving, and we’d be lucky to have them by Thanksgiving.”
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-08/california-coronavirus-trends
They do not have to have a GA section if they tour this fall. Nothing has been announced so seating configurations can change very easily.
-Mark Twain
The one number that seems to be trustworthy has to do with Coronavirus deaths--although it has been acknowledged that, if you die of a heart attack (for example) and test positive for Coronavirus (even without symptoms present), it is being counted as a Coronavirus death. The problem arises when trying to determine the denominator--in this instance the number of people who have the virus. That number is far higher than the number of "reported cases". There are plenty of folks who have had (in January/February) the virus and thought it was nothing more than the flu or a cold....there are many more (one model has 50% of the population having already been exposed) people who were asymptomatic carriers. The most annoying graph that is shown is the sharp rise in the number of cases---it is a direct result of more tests being performed.
I am in no way saying that we should not be concerned and continue practicing social distancing (the ridiculously low California death numbers - at this point- have to be attributed at some level to the community actions). I also cannot state with certainty that this is nothing more than a bad flu---the numbers cannot be trusted at this point. They can be bent to support whatever result you want to run up your flagpole.
Basing our positions as to whether concerts, sports, life will begin tomorrow or in 2022 on statistical "proof" (lies) is a fool's errand. With that said....I am still holding onto my Oakland and LA tickets for the rescheduled date....and I am so willing to bury my head in the sand to the information being provided to me that I went ahead and got Ohana tickets...and a hotel room.
Sorry for the ramble but "the only thing to fear is fear itself" and I believe that the numbers that are being reported are done for shock and to force compliance for the segment of the population that would say "f*** it" if they were not made to feel that it would likely affect them. We will be okay--we will make it through this as a world, country, state, community, family and (way down the list) Pearl Jam fans.
2005.....Hamilton
2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
2013.....London, Buffalo
2014.....Detroit
2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
guess I should have refreshed before posting
i've said it before but we won't get back to mass gatherings until we start to test everyone and track. like s. korea and germany. i've still heard nothing about any type of system that is being set up. i predict trump will attempt to re-open the country by mid may and most red states will do it and 3 or 4 weeks later we'll see another massive spike.
can't read that without prescribing. what is his premise on why not until thanksgiving? a lot of sporting events have been postponed until September/October. I would think those have more information than we are getting and suspect they will be able to go in september/october.
Saying that you can be on the side that thinks this thing lasts until there is a vaccine or you can be on the side that is hopeful that we can move on from this sooner rather than later. You can find an article that is going to support whatever belief/hope you are siding on. Until time passes and this virus goes in the direction that it has decided to go we are just sitting here waiting...
https://pearljam.com/news/pearl-jam-announces-fall-2013-north-american-tour-dates
We are listening to these health experts right now and doing as they say with the social distancing. I am 100% on board with this and hope it is doing what it is intended to do. It seems like it is working. What I do not get though is that if these same health experts come out and say that we are good to go to concerts again with no vaccine some people are not going to listen to them? How can we trust them to tells us to stay at home but not trust them to say we can be in crowds again. Not speaking to you just in general.