Wondering why tour hasn't been canceled ?

RS65573

I dont see it happening in 2020. And I dont see them holding our money that long, thus cancel.

RS65573

You want to argue about it, argue with Fauci. https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-americans-should-never-shake-hands-again-coronavirus-influenza-1496772

pjsteelerfan

RS65573 said:

You want to argue about it, argue with Fauci. https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-americans-should-never-shake-hands-again-coronavirus-influenza-1496772

The new normal 

Ray J. T.

RS65573 said:

I dont see it happening in 2020. And I dont see them holding our money that long, thus cancel.

 I don't think anyone is arguing the fact that we may not see any normalcy in 2020. I for one think that we don't see any major gatherings for the remainder of the year (although I hope that I am wrong. It will really suck if we don't get ANY sports for the remainder of 2020) and although these events, i.e. sports, concerts, festivals may not pick back up until 2021, there is still no need to completely cancel. For those who don't feel comfortable with attending anymore, or are financially unable to, etc... you have an option to have your tickets refunded and not attend. Everybody else can continue to patiently wait for these shows and events to be rescheduled and hold on to their tickets. They gave every body an option as to what they would like to do. It may not be in 2020, but at some point we will get back to living our lives pre pandemic. 

ComeToTX

pjhawks said:

ComeToTX said:

Getting back to work slowly and safely and having mass gatherings are 2 very different things. 

ill bet there will be full NFL, college football and Euro league soccer stadiums in 2020.

How much?

Dr. Jeffrey Smith, Santa Clara County (home of 49ers) executive officer, does not expect “any sports games until at least Thanksgiving, and we’d be lucky to have them by Thanksgiving.” 
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-08/california-coronavirus-trends

PeterED

RS65573 said:

PeterED said:

RS65573 said:

Correct. Its time to cancel the NA and European tour. Redraw next year, all seats, HOPEFULLY. This is the only logical move IMO.

Absolutely no need to do this.

postpone, keep the seats while offering 100% full refund if the new dates don’t work out.

And use GA seating in this fall on the east coast? That is not going to happen. 

Well, you’re adding things to your argument as you go. My response was to your point about a full cancellation as opposed to a postponement.

They do not have to have a GA section if they tour this fall. Nothing has been announced so seating configurations can change very easily.

huntersthompson

"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies and statistics"
-Mark Twain

The one number that seems to be trustworthy has to do with Coronavirus deaths--although it has been acknowledged that, if you die of a heart attack (for example) and test positive for Coronavirus (even without symptoms present), it is being counted as a Coronavirus death.  The problem arises when trying to determine the denominator--in this instance the number of people who have the virus.  That number is far higher than the number of "reported cases".  There are plenty of folks who have had (in January/February) the virus and thought it was nothing more than the flu or a cold....there are many more (one model has 50% of the population having already been exposed) people who were asymptomatic carriers.  The most annoying graph that is shown is the sharp rise in the number of cases---it is a direct result of more tests being performed.

I am in no way saying that we should not be concerned and continue practicing social distancing (the ridiculously low California death numbers - at this point- have to be attributed at some level to the community actions).  I also cannot state with certainty that this is nothing more than a bad flu---the numbers cannot be trusted at this point.  They can be bent to support whatever result you want to run up your flagpole.  

Basing our positions as to whether concerts, sports, life will begin tomorrow or in 2022 on statistical "proof" (lies) is a fool's errand.  With that said....I am still holding onto my Oakland and LA tickets for the rescheduled date....and I am so willing to bury my head in the sand to the information being provided to me that I went ahead and got Ohana tickets...and a hotel room.  

Sorry for the ramble but "the only thing to fear is fear itself" and I believe that the numbers that are being reported are done for shock and to force compliance for the segment of the population that would say "f*** it" if they were not made to feel that it would likely affect them.  We will be okay--we will make it through this as a world, country, state, community, family and (way down the list) Pearl Jam fans.  

Kearn5y

London has just been canceled

SHZA

huntersthompson said:

"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies and statistics"
-Mark Twain

The one number that seems to be trustworthy has to do with Coronavirus deaths--although it has been acknowledged that, if you die of a heart attack (for example) and test positive for Coronavirus (even without symptoms present), it is being counted as a Coronavirus death.  The problem arises when trying to determine the denominator--in this instance the number of people who have the virus.  That number is far higher than the number of "reported cases".  There are plenty of folks who have had (in January/February) the virus and thought it was nothing more than the flu or a cold....there are many more (one model has 50% of the population having already been exposed) people who were asymptomatic carriers.  The most annoying graph that is shown is the sharp rise in the number of cases---it is a direct result of more tests being performed.

I am in no way saying that we should not be concerned and continue practicing social distancing (the ridiculously low California death numbers - at this point- have to be attributed at some level to the community actions).  I also cannot state with certainty that this is nothing more than a bad flu---the numbers cannot be trusted at this point.  They can be bent to support whatever result you want to run up your flagpole.  

Basing our positions as to whether concerts, sports, life will begin tomorrow or in 2022 on statistical "proof" (lies) is a fool's errand.  With that said....I am still holding onto my Oakland and LA tickets for the rescheduled date....and I am so willing to bury my head in the sand to the information being provided to me that I went ahead and got Ohana tickets...and a hotel room.  

Sorry for the ramble but "the only thing to fear is fear itself" and I believe that the numbers that are being reported are done for shock and to force compliance for the segment of the population that would say "f*** it" if they were not made to feel that it would likely affect them.  We will be okay--we will make it through this as a world, country, state, community, family and (way down the list) Pearl Jam fans.  

We will make it through this, except for the tens of thousands who don't

D-Rod

Kearn5y said:

London has just been canceled

Full tour update coming on Friday 

Bentleyspop

Kearn5y said:

London has just been canceled

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/1247957590849589250?s=19

gettingright

Hyde Park officially cancelled via PJ I.G. Said they update rest of Europe Friday.

guess I should have refreshed before posting

ComeToTX

huntersthompson said:

"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies and statistics"
-Mark Twain

The one number that seems to be trustworthy has to do with Coronavirus deaths--although it has been acknowledged that, if you die of a heart attack (for example) and test positive for Coronavirus (even without symptoms present), it is being counted as a Coronavirus death.  The problem arises when trying to determine the denominator--in this instance the number of people who have the virus.  That number is far higher than the number of "reported cases".  There are plenty of folks who have had (in January/February) the virus and thought it was nothing more than the flu or a cold....there are many more (one model has 50% of the population having already been exposed) people who were asymptomatic carriers.  The most annoying graph that is shown is the sharp rise in the number of cases---it is a direct result of more tests being performed.

I am in no way saying that we should not be concerned and continue practicing social distancing (the ridiculously low California death numbers - at this point- have to be attributed at some level to the community actions).  I also cannot state with certainty that this is nothing more than a bad flu---the numbers cannot be trusted at this point.  They can be bent to support whatever result you want to run up your flagpole.  

Basing our positions as to whether concerts, sports, life will begin tomorrow or in 2022 on statistical "proof" (lies) is a fool's errand.  With that said....I am still holding onto my Oakland and LA tickets for the rescheduled date....and I am so willing to bury my head in the sand to the information being provided to me that I went ahead and got Ohana tickets...and a hotel room.  

Sorry for the ramble but "the only thing to fear is fear itself" and I believe that the numbers that are being reported are done for shock and to force compliance for the segment of the population that would say "f*** it" if they were not made to feel that it would likely affect them.  We will be okay--we will make it through this as a world, country, state, community, family and (way down the list) Pearl Jam fans.  

Healthy people in their 20s, 30s and 40s don't die from a bad flu.  this is different.

i've said it before but we won't get back to mass gatherings until we start to test everyone and track.  like s. korea and germany.  i've still heard nothing about any type of system that is being set up.  i predict trump will attempt to re-open the country by mid may and most red states will do it and 3 or 4 weeks later we'll see another massive spike.

josevolution

Vaccination is the only way to get most folks confidence back to gather in peace and that’s a ways away! 2020 is done for me not setting foot anywhere that has a gathering of more that 10 people..

PJNB

josevolution said:

Vaccination is the only way to get most folks confidence back to gather in peace and that’s a ways away! 2020 is done for me not setting foot anywhere that has a gathering of more that 10 people..

Disagree with the most folks comment. I know there are a lot of people that feel that way, you included but I would say that you would be in the minority for sure. 

pjhawks

ComeToTX said:

pjhawks said:

ComeToTX said:

Getting back to work slowly and safely and having mass gatherings are 2 very different things. 

ill bet there will be full NFL, college football and Euro league soccer stadiums in 2020.

How much?

Dr. Jeffrey Smith, Santa Clara County (home of 49ers) executive officer, does not expect “any sports games until at least Thanksgiving, and we’d be lucky to have them by Thanksgiving.” 
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-08/california-coronavirus-trends

can't read that without prescribing. what is his premise on why not until thanksgiving?  a lot of sporting events have been postponed until September/October. I would think those have more information than we are getting and suspect they will be able to go in september/october.

PJNB

It is almost like we are in unchartered waters here and no one really knows what the fuck is going to happen in the next week let along the next month or the next season or even the next year. It is all speculation at this point.

Saying that you can be on the side that thinks this thing lasts until there is a vaccine or you can be on the side that is hopeful that we can move on from this sooner rather than later. You can find an article that is going to support whatever belief/hope you are siding on. Until time passes and this virus goes in the direction that it has decided to go we are just sitting here waiting...

afgpj

The 2013 Fall leg of the tour was announced in July, so we just need to wait and see.
https://pearljam.com/news/pearl-jam-announces-fall-2013-north-american-tour-dates

SHZA

PJNB said:

josevolution said:

Vaccination is the only way to get most folks confidence back to gather in peace and that’s a ways away! 2020 is done for me not setting foot anywhere that has a gathering of more that 10 people..

Disagree with the most folks comment. I know there are a lot of people that feel that way, you included but I would say that you would be in the minority for sure. 

I think that's true, but customer sentiment is likely a minor factor in the decision whether and when to resume large gatherings. You could surely find 20,000 people in a large city willing to risk infection to see a big performer, but if science says that some of those people will get seriously ill and die, the government/venue won't allow it to proceed.

PJNB

SHZA said:

PJNB said:

josevolution said:

Vaccination is the only way to get most folks confidence back to gather in peace and that’s a ways away! 2020 is done for me not setting foot anywhere that has a gathering of more that 10 people..

Disagree with the most folks comment. I know there are a lot of people that feel that way, you included but I would say that you would be in the minority for sure. 

I think that's true, but customer sentiment is likely a minor factor in the decision whether and when to resume large gatherings. You could surely find 20,000 people in a large city willing to risk infection to see a big performer, but if science says that some of those people will get seriously ill and die, the government/venue won't allow it to proceed.

Absolutely.

We are listening to these health experts right now and doing as they say with the social distancing. I am 100% on board with this and hope it is doing what it is intended to do. It seems like it is working. What I do not get though is that if these same health experts come out and say that we are good to go to concerts again with no vaccine some people are not going to listen to them? How can we trust them to tells us to stay at home but not trust them to say we can be in crowds again. Not speaking to you just in general.