12-18 months until vaccine, then distribution and inoculation to all seven billion people on earth. I hate to say this, but probably no shows until 2022 at the earliest.
being married to a molecular biologist , i would say pretty much this unless some kind of drug that is not a vaccine is discovered and even with that...
You guys really think it's going to be TWO years before these shows happen?
Been thinking about this for a while. Without a vaccine or effective drugs I don’t see mass gatherings happen
Going by this logic, with everything shut down for the next two years, it won't matter about concerts/sports/ or just about anything in 2022 because of the financial ruin the world will be in.
Will also be impressive to see the entire human race inoculated for the first time in history
...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
12-18 months until vaccine, then distribution and inoculation to all seven billion people on earth. I hate to say this, but probably no shows until 2022 at the earliest.
being married to a molecular biologist , i would say pretty much this unless some kind of drug that is not a vaccine is discovered and even with that...
You guys really think it's going to be TWO years before these shows happen?
what people have to understand is that our way of living in this planet pretty much changed and until all of goes way (when a vaccine is found) huge gathering of people will be very hard to pull off if not IMPOSSIBLE , you just dont know who is infected and who is not unless that person shows synthomps. all shows for 2020(for any big band) are 100% for sure cancelled. In mid-2021 we are all hopefull that by then a vaccine is found and put on mass production , to be 100% honest THAT is the best case scenario!
Usually when a vaccine is found (for any kind of disease) there are a shitload of procedures/approvals that have to be done before it even goes for mass production and these take a very long time (sometimes well over a year) and these are procedures you cant jump ahead or something like that.
12-18 months until vaccine, then distribution and inoculation to all seven billion people on earth. I hate to say this, but probably no shows until 2022 at the earliest.
being married to a molecular biologist , i would say pretty much this unless some kind of drug that is not a vaccine is discovered and even with that...
Is anyone here a molecular biologist?!??
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man, can you imagine all these snake oil preachers who cant have their clergy *** coughs victims*** show up in these warehouse like mega churches til then, OHHH Lordy we should have a special COPS television program dedicated to the likes being arrested while defying local/state/ federal social distancing......now that would be entertainment
12-18 months until vaccine, then distribution and inoculation to all seven billion people on earth. I hate to say this, but probably no shows until 2022 at the earliest.
being married to a molecular biologist , i would say pretty much this unless some kind of drug that is not a vaccine is discovered and even with that...
I definitely think we will see sports and concerts in the fall.
no you wont. unfortunally
Yes we will. Fortunately.
I like the optimism. This is not The Black Death of the 1300's people. Yes, the old and the unhealthy will need to be very cautious...but with 7.7+ billion people on Earth, life (and death) must go on. Are humans really that stupid to think that we should all breed like rabbits, all live to 100 years old, and be able to keep buying all of this plastic worthless crap from China, only to ruin the environment by overpopulating the Earth?
Yes, if this thing was killing ANY human being indiscriminately, we'd have a very very big problem, and of course sports and concerts would have to stop...but that just isn't happening. There are a lot of very sad (and very media publicized) exceptions that keep people afraid, but the overwhelming majority of deaths are older people or people with underlying conditions (many of whom probably didn't even know they had underlying conditions).
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12-18 months until vaccine, then distribution and inoculation to all seven billion people on earth. I hate to say this, but probably no shows until 2022 at the earliest.
being married to a molecular biologist , i would say pretty much this unless some kind of drug that is not a vaccine is discovered and even with that...
You guys really think it's going to be TWO years before these shows happen?
what people have to understand is that our way of living in this planet pretty much changed and until all of goes way (when a vaccine is found) huge gathering of people will be very hard to pull off if not IMPOSSIBLE , you just dont know who is infected and who is not unless that person shows synthomps. all shows for 2020(for any big band) are 100% for sure cancelled. In mid-2021 we are all hopefull that by then a vaccine is found and put on mass production , to be 100% honest THAT is the best case scenario!
Usually when a vaccine is found (for any kind of disease) there are a shitload of procedures/approvals that have to be done before it even goes for mass production and these take a very long time (sometimes well over a year) and these are procedures you cant jump ahead or something like that.
I'm not quite convinced.
Mass gathering's aren't the only way this thing spreads. The whole reason countries are on lockdowns and businesses are closed is to prevent the spread. You can only pay people to stay at home for so long. If a solution isn't found within a few months, I think there's going to be more talk about re-opening the economy regardless. Of which the virus will end up spreading around as soon as businesses reopen and people go back to work. After that it might not matter so much any more?
Another issue will be mutation of the virus. Flu and Colds constantly mutate. It's why we get them over and over again. COVID might do the same thing. The world can't afford to lockdown for months on end every time there's a new outbreak.
If it becomes a constant thing, maybe we'll see temperature scans entering venues. Anyone with a fever can't enter kind of thing?
I definitely think we will see sports and concerts in the fall.
no you wont. unfortunally
Yes we will. Fortunately.
I like the optimism. This is not The Black Death of the 1300's people. Yes, the old and the unhealthy will need to be very cautious...but with 7.7+ billion people on Earth, life (and death) must go on. Are humans really that stupid to think that we should all breed like rabbits, all live to 100 years old, and be able to keep buying all of this plastic worthless crap from China, only to ruin the environment by overpopulating the Earth?
Yes, if this thing was killing ANY human being indiscriminately, we'd have a very very big problem, and of course sports and concerts would have to stop...but that just isn't happening. There are a lot of very sad (and very media publicized) exceptions that keep people afraid, but the overwhelming majority of deaths are older people or people with underlying conditions (many of whom probably didn't even know they had underlying conditions).
Sports and concerts have stopped. Do you really want to take the chance that you'll be one of the exceptions? And there are millions of old and at-risk people -- who cares if they get infected?
12-18 months until vaccine, then distribution and inoculation to all seven billion people on earth. I hate to say this, but probably no shows until 2022 at the earliest.
being married to a molecular biologist , i would say pretty much this unless some kind of drug that is not a vaccine is discovered and even with that...
Is anyone here a molecular biologist?!??
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Stop taking the news and the politcians at their word. It's two entities driven by ratings and votes. There's zero accountability in the news and a politician can never get in trouble for being overly conservative on his projections.
Everywhere you look projections are coming down from the doom and gloom. In my state which is PA we are seeing a dramatic decrease in hospitalizations and looking at no shortages on anything. You think thats a coincidence? The plan is working and its something to be optimistic about.
There will be major events this year. May not be a Pearl Jam concert do to scheduling issues but people will be back at major events such as the NFL in 2020.
Remember in 2016 when the election was going on and everyday was about unarmed shootings by cops all over the country. Then after the election you never heard about it again?
Just remember it's an election year and it's the most powerful seat in the world.
This seems drama in and of itself.
What makes you think that anyone here is taking politicians or news "at their word". If you go by history, previous large outbreaks, and by what the experts are saying, its pretty clear this is a long term issue. It's just going to cycle back up for more outbreaks when people stop extreme measures, until we get some herd immunity with vaccines and possible antibody immunity from those who survived it.
By the way PA is seeing sharper increases. They have now surpassed Illinois, which was in the top 5, in terms of Totay cases. And day by day, PA's new cases are increasing.
Personally, I dont see how the NFL will return with full events for 2020. I hope I am wrong, but my guess is no major sports for the rest of 2020.
I know that Philly was locked down pretty quick, but the state was a few days behind Illinois in mandating a Shelter-in-Place order. Illinois has not plateaued yet, so I dont expect Philly to, either. Chicago has a much larger main city, but PA has 2 major ones.
you people are nuts if you think sports and businesses will be shut down until 2022. not unless you want a worldwide depression. there will have to be solutions to get people back to work even if this thing continues on.
Getting back to work slowly and safely and having mass gatherings are 2 very different things.
I agree with you. Unfortunately, I think capitalism will prevail at some point. The rich and big businesses will be made whole again, and the rest of us will be subjected to tax hikes when this recedes.
I'd be shocked if the band goes to Europe this summer.
I don't think there will be any large events the rest of this year.
I think 2020 only happens if there’s a treatment. It could happen, but betting on it? That I wouldn’t do. On the other hand 2022 seems pessimistic. There will probably be a breakthrough before that.
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Getting back to work slowly and safely and having mass gatherings are 2 very different things.
ill bet there will be full NFL, college football and Euro league soccer stadiums in 2020.
I'll take you up on that bet, what do you want to wager? Shit, I just saw a news piece about how a Walmart store is getting sued because two of their workers caught the virus and died from it. Do you think arenas or stadiums want to open themselves up to potential law suits if someone dies from virus by attending a concert or sporting event without a known vaccine/cure?
you people are nuts if you think sports and businesses will be shut down until 2022. not unless you want a worldwide depression. there will have to be solutions to get people back to work even if this thing continues on.
I don't know about you, but even though I'm stuck to my house I'm still working remotely in the IT industry. It's the services industry that's going to take a beating from this shutdown.
And did you know that Microsoft just cancelled ALL of their live events through the summer of 2021? So while I don't want to wait that long to get back to normal life, how we're living now just might be the new normal for quite some time.
12-18 months until vaccine, then distribution and inoculation to all seven billion people on earth. I hate to say this, but probably no shows until 2022 at the earliest.
being married to a molecular biologist , i would say pretty much this unless some kind of drug that is not a vaccine is discovered and even with that...
you people are nuts if you think sports and businesses will be shut down until 2022. not unless you want a worldwide depression. there will have to be solutions to get people back to work even if this thing continues on.
Getting back to work slowly and safely and having mass gatherings are 2 very different things.
ill bet there will be full NFL, college football and Euro league soccer stadiums in 2020.
I'll take you up on that bet, what do you want to wager? Shit, I just saw a news piece about how a Walmart store is getting sued because two of their workers caught the virus and died from it. Do you think arenas or stadiums want to open themselves up to potential law suits if someone dies from virus by attending a concert or sporting event without a known vaccine/cure?
Just saw a model that has zero deaths in the USA and Pennsylvania by mid June. The next few weeks are going to be terrible but we aren’t at the apex yet. If there are projected zero deaths in summer things will begin again. It may or may not come back if course.
Getting back to work slowly and safely and having mass gatherings are 2 very different things.
ill bet there will be full NFL, college football and Euro league soccer stadiums in 2020.
I'll take you up on that bet, what do you want to wager? Shit, I just saw a news piece about how a Walmart store is getting sued because two of their workers caught the virus and died from it. Do you think arenas or stadiums want to open themselves up to potential law suits if someone dies from virus by attending a concert or sporting event without a known vaccine/cure?
Just saw a model that has zero deaths in the USA and Pennsylvania by mid June. The next few weeks are going to be terrible but we aren’t at the apex yet. If there are projected zero deaths in summer things will begin again. It may or may not come back if course.
But the key factor in the zero-deaths-by-June graph is that it is based on "full social distancing." If that stops, infections and deaths will spike again.
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Will also be impressive to see the entire human race inoculated for the first time in history
Usually when a vaccine is found (for any kind of disease) there are a shitload of procedures/approvals that have to be done before it even goes for mass production and these take a very long time (sometimes well over a year) and these are procedures you cant jump ahead or something like that.
I don't think either. I don't see any sporting events or concerts happening till 2021. Too much of a risk.
Yes, if this thing was killing ANY human being indiscriminately, we'd have a very very big problem, and of course sports and concerts would have to stop...but that just isn't happening. There are a lot of very sad (and very media publicized) exceptions that keep people afraid, but the overwhelming majority of deaths are older people or people with underlying conditions (many of whom probably didn't even know they had underlying conditions).
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Mass gathering's aren't the only way this thing spreads. The whole reason countries are on lockdowns and businesses are closed is to prevent the spread. You can only pay people to stay at home for so long. If a solution isn't found within a few months, I think there's going to be more talk about re-opening the economy regardless. Of which the virus will end up spreading around as soon as businesses reopen and people go back to work. After that it might not matter so much any more?
Another issue will be mutation of the virus. Flu and Colds constantly mutate. It's why we get them over and over again. COVID might do the same thing. The world can't afford to lockdown for months on end every time there's a new outbreak.
If it becomes a constant thing, maybe we'll see temperature scans entering venues. Anyone with a fever can't enter kind of thing?
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2014.....Detroit
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2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
What makes you think that anyone here is taking politicians or news "at their word". If you go by history, previous large outbreaks, and by what the experts are saying, its pretty clear this is a long term issue. It's just going to cycle back up for more outbreaks when people stop extreme measures, until we get some herd immunity with vaccines and possible antibody immunity from those who survived it.
By the way PA is seeing sharper increases. They have now surpassed Illinois, which was in the top 5, in terms of Totay cases. And day by day, PA's new cases are increasing.
Personally, I dont see how the NFL will return with full events for 2020. I hope I am wrong, but my guess is no major sports for the rest of 2020.
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ill bet there will be full NFL, college football and Euro league soccer stadiums in 2020.
I'd be shocked if the band goes to Europe this summer.
I don't think there will be any large events the rest of this year.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
And did you know that Microsoft just cancelled ALL of their live events through the summer of 2021? So while I don't want to wait that long to get back to normal life, how we're living now just might be the new normal for quite some time.
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We may get some sports with no fans in attendance at some point.
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