Wondering why tour hasn't been canceled ?

chrisbourassa

Don't get me wrong, I want to see the band just as much as anyone. I have tickets to 2 shows.
I'm wondering though, isn't time to give people their money back in this time of great financial distress? It's clear that it will take a very long time before we can even gather in large crowds. I'm not sure if this is an option but it would be a great if they could refund everyone for now but you get to keep your seat if you choose to do so. Then, recharge credit cards once shows are a go... Thoughts?
Also, does anyone know, who is holding the funds from all ticket sales right now? I'm assuming it's Ticketmaster? I haven't done the math but, they'd be holding on to millions of dollars...  

1ThoughtKnown

I went for a 2 hour walk today and pondered this a little bit. I think they will have to make a decision on the summer tour by the end of April. 

That decision will be that the tour is postponed. We have tickets to 3 shows and two of them are festivals (London and Imola). Hoping we can get refunds out of those promoters but who knows 

I see your point though... some fans could really use that money being unexpectedly out of work. Perhaps that might cause them to make the decision earlier. 

bootlegger10

You can get a refund any time right?

chrisbourassa

As far as I know, yes you can. But, I'm wondering, who's holding the funds in the mean time? Just doesn't seem right if this is going to take as long as I think it will. I am considering getting a refund for one of my two shows even though I don't want to do it. :(

kaw753

I am guessing they need the festivals to cancel, otherwise they are in breach of contract. The festivals likely need the governments to declare that they cannot be held, otherwise their insurance might not pay out. Really, what is the rush in cancelling at this point? Everyone assumes the festivals are not happening, so why cancel early if there is a tiny chance they actually happen?

However, I assume the band has no intention of doing anything before September.

jefft

I'm holding on to my tickets for as long as they need to feel safe to tour again.  

JOEJOEJOE

Ticketmaster (or whatever ticketing company is used) holds all the money until after the show.  They then give it to the promoter. 

unforgiven

I'm in Australia and was supposed to go see Live, Bush and STP yesterday but those shows were postponed. On Friday they announced that the shows will now go ahead in March 2021. A long time to hang onto people's money!

tino_11

kaw753 said:

I am guessing they need the festivals to cancel, otherwise they are in breach of contract. The festivals likely need the governments to declare that they cannot be held, otherwise their insurance might not pay out. Really, what is the rush in cancelling at this point? Everyone assumes the festivals are not happening, so why cancel early if there is a tiny chance they actually happen?

However, I assume the band has no intention of doing anything before September.

I agree with the point above that they'll need the festivals to cancel before they can confirm the whole tour won't be going ahead. 

I'm also hoping that they are using this time to arrange new dates so they can announce a postponement rather than a cancellation. 

WMAmorican

While on an individual level, where people have to worry about paying the rent or other bills, it may matter, but it doesn't matter at all from a macro perspective "who's holding the money"...the Federal Reserve dropped interest rates to essentially zero as soon as this shit storm hit, so whether it's TM or PJ (or Jar Jar Binks) with your cash, they're not making any money by holding it.

Now it certainly might help some people to have their money back, if they're so in need they're willing to forfeit their great seats to the PJ show, then let them have it back, but I think the rest of us will at least wait and see when the shows are re-scheduled (as they most certainly will be) and most likely just gladly go then. 

xjoshfromworkx

I only have tickets to 1 show, my wife and I are content holding onto those seats and letting that money sit in limbo right now. It's not killing us, but we're also fortunate enough to be working still during this. If we had multiple shows purchased, we may be singing a different tune, so I can see where people are coming from that are in that boat.

Hopefully we all hear good news sooner than later of when rescheduled dates are so people have a better game plan.

RatherStarved

The theory that they have to wait for festivals to cancel first, and festivals are waiting for governments, is probably correct.  

CM189191

Toronto was supposed to be 03/18
Letter from the band announcing postponement came on 03/09

Frankfurt is supposed to be 06/23
Think we won't hear for certain until 06/14?

Poncier

CM189191 said:

Toronto was supposed to be 03/18
Letter from the band announcing postponement came on 03/09

Frankfurt is supposed to be 06/23
Think we won't hear for certain until 06/14?

I'd assume it would be sooner than that as Europe is in the midst of things now and it was just ramping up in NA in early March, thus the decision coming when it did. I would guess they (and everyone else) are waiting to see if there is a tremendous improvement and return to normalcy in Europe in the next month or so before making a final decision.

RS65573

I personally would like my money back. Too many shows, too much money to hold indefinitely. Of course I have no choice but to hold my MSG seats.

NSL

I would like my money back for the Arizona shows but I bought my tickets on F2F so i'm stuck waiting.  Ticketmaster is still holding onto my money for Tool and FF shows as well with no option to refund.  Ticketmaster likely can't afford to refund everyone right now I bet

disilluzion

Austria is closed through June. I think PJ has a concert there in July though? So we'll have to wait until July announcements come out, I would imagine. I'm no expert though.

vedpunk

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but COVID-19 cases are starting to flatten out in Europe so there is still a chance that the European tour will happen at the end of June/July.

JPPJ84

vedpunk said:

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but COVID-19 cases are starting to flatten out in Europe so there is still a chance that the European tour will happen at the end of June/July.

Highly unlikely with fans traveling through so many countries with closed borders, mandatory quarantines etc.

vedpunk

JPPJ84 said:

vedpunk said:

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but COVID-19 cases are starting to flatten out in Europe so there is still a chance that the European tour will happen at the end of June/July.

Highly unlikely with fans traveling through so many countries with closed borders, mandatory quarantines etc.

Today, yes.  In 3 months, maybe not.

xjoshfromworkx

JPPJ84 said:

vedpunk said:

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but COVID-19 cases are starting to flatten out in Europe so there is still a chance that the European tour will happen at the end of June/July.

Highly unlikely with fans traveling through so many countries with closed borders, mandatory quarantines etc.

That, mixed in with I don't think people will be so willing to just jump back into packed rooms so fresh off of this pandemic. Some will throw caution to the wind and do it, but so many won't. This will linger for awhile, both the virus probably popping back up and the caution of people still wanting that distance in crowds, restaurants, movie theaters, etc...

I hate to accept it but it's becoming more likely that we won't have much live entertainment of any sort in 2020.

RS65573

My opinion is GA is now kind of over, at least for the US tour, so just cancel and redo it later, since your going to anyway.

RatherStarved

British Open golf just canceled.  Mid July had been the dates.

CROJAM95

I doubt we see any shows until 2021....you might have a window late in the year, but you have hundreds of acts trying to schedule venues at the same time, clusterfuck

Hep

There is no way Europe can host massive gatherings in July.  Life isn't going to snap back to normality just because the peak has passed.

pjl44

I wonder if the first thing we'll see are seated venues booked at 50% capacity or so. Kinda like what they started doing with movie theaters and restaurants before pulling the plug completely.

afgpj

I would think that fall dates for U.S. tour have already been pre-booked, with the option of cancellation.

SHZA

Pure speculation. The world's top scientists don't have any idea when these events will be able to resume, let alone a bunch of fan club members. 

DEGBTI

I tickets for for five west coast shows. I dont care if I have to wait till 2021, no way I'm giving them up, not a chance. Unless they cancel altogether. Too soon to tell.

BettrMan21

DEGBTI said:

I tickets for for five west coast shows. I dont care if I have to wait till 2021, no way I'm giving them up, not a chance. Unless they cancel altogether. Too soon to tell.

I hope they don't cancel altogether and let us keep these tickets. I'll sit on them for a few years I have to.

afgpj

afgpj said:

I would think that fall dates for U.S. tour have already been pre-booked, with the option of cancellation.

That's why these would not be firm dates, and of course no announcement.  But for any tour to happen they would need to secure venue dates now.