CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

PJNB

sparky_fry said:

As someone who is grappling with whether or not to leave my small town in a province with no cases to travel to a city with confirmed cases I do wish that the decision is made for me.

I wish you the best on your decision but as of today 0.00015% of the  Ontario population has this and 21 out of the 23 were caught right away. Yes community spread can come and yes there is a chance that it has happened that we are unaware of at the moment but those are the numbers that we are given today. This is my opinion for me and me alone but I feel very comfortable going to the 4 Canadian shows. 

Poncier

Saltzy23 said:

Some of you people better start digging your underground bunkers to protect your families....

Madagascar, here I come.

RatherStarved

Saltzy23 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

nicknyr15 said:

droptheleash9 said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

Has one NA arena concert been cancelled yet? I have not seen any. We are 10 days out for Canada. I think we are good to go for the first 4 shows at the very least and hopefully the 3 on the east coast in the states can happen as well. 

We are all a community on this page and we need to be kinder to each other. I have seen people acting out on both sides of this. Lets chill out and let things land as they do. I am confident that the band will do what is best for everyone involved. 

Agreed, but this is clearly a highly emotional issue for many reasons, between fear of the disease, people not wanting to lose $ or all the time they have spent planning, and obviously not wanting to not see shows.

I take the stance that I am happy these bands are not caving to public pressure where there is no proof these shows are really gonna exacerbate anything yet, and where based on most of the replies I've seen, most people still want them to go on.

I understand the sentiment of 'rather safe than sorry', but if we are only talking marginal amounts of "being safer" with the collateral damage of postponing these things being tremendous,  then I clearly am on the side of the show must go on.

I understand this stuff may change between then and now and that it is insane to allow these shows to go on if they are flat out a public health risk.  But I get the sense that they would only be postponed because of the nervous nellys in society that are freaking out right now, and if that is the case....let's just fucking do this. 

Agree with all of this. I think there are people too, myself included (hand up for being a bit salty in this thread at times), that are frustrated too because it feels like certain folks in this thread seemingly want the tour to be cancelled, at least based on the way they’re commenting. To that I say, if you’re worried about your health at these shows, then put your tickets on F2F - nobody is forcing anyone to go. There are also lots of folks still ISO tickets to these shows so if you’re at all afraid, list away!

It definitely feels like some are rooting for it to be canceled. Weird. 

No one is rooting for it to be canceled. They are concerned for their families and communities. It’s just a concert that can be rescheduled. Some people’s priorities on here are questionable at best and should be re-evaluated. 

Keep missing the point dude.  It's all good.

I live in an area with almost 10,000,000 people surrounding me.  I work in an office full of people that just took trains and buses in, most with kids in schools.

If you think I, or anyone else, in the NE of this country is gonna avoid catching this thing because PJ cancels a show at MSG you need to get your head examined.

If its here and they can't stop it, I'll get it if I'm gonna get it.

As opposed to cowering under my sheets in some futile attempt to avoid microscopic bacteria in the greater NYC area, I'd rather do it rocking out with a beer in each hand.

I think I’m coming around to Saltzy’s point of view.

If we’re all eff’d regardless, kick out the jams.

With that said, I do think they should postpone in cities where an outbreak is already occurring and is straining healthcare resources.  Those cities don’t need an extra 10k people to deal with.  

JPPJ84

Poncier said:

Saltzy23 said:

Some of you people better start digging your underground bunkers to protect your families....

Madagascar, here I come.

You sure? They’ve got the plague there

Zod

Saltzy23 said:

Some of you people better start digging your underground bunkers to protect your families....

If I understand what I'm reading correctly it's the older people and people with existing conditions that need to put in bunkers.    It seems younger people are fairly resident to it.   Kids/Teens even more so.    That graph feels like fear mongering.  Putting every country that has a case in red.

I dunno.  My uneducated guess.  This thing isn't containable unless they stop all unnecessary air travel (ie anything that isn't commercial), and force everyone to stay at home for 2 weeks.   As long as people are permitted to be mobile it's going to spread.    Then the outcome is a severe epidemic on our older population :(

I guess I would appreciate it the media did better reporting.   They really emphasize what the mortality percentage, how many people have it, and death rates.   They don't seem to focus on which demographics it's impacting the most, or what you can expect if you're of different ages.  If they did maybe younger people would panic less, and we change our strategy to protect the old people.

gotthebottle

O_G_D said:

I don't understand why people have these long signatures that take up so much space.....

gotthebottle

Triberjay25 said:

My BF lives in La Quinta, 1 mile from Coachella, hasn't seen this on his local news

THEBIBLEISTEN

Saltzy23 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

nicknyr15 said:

droptheleash9 said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

Has one NA arena concert been cancelled yet? I have not seen any. We are 10 days out for Canada. I think we are good to go for the first 4 shows at the very least and hopefully the 3 on the east coast in the states can happen as well. 

We are all a community on this page and we need to be kinder to each other. I have seen people acting out on both sides of this. Lets chill out and let things land as they do. I am confident that the band will do what is best for everyone involved. 

Agreed, but this is clearly a highly emotional issue for many reasons, between fear of the disease, people not wanting to lose $ or all the time they have spent planning, and obviously not wanting to not see shows.

I take the stance that I am happy these bands are not caving to public pressure where there is no proof these shows are really gonna exacerbate anything yet, and where based on most of the replies I've seen, most people still want them to go on.

I understand the sentiment of 'rather safe than sorry', but if we are only talking marginal amounts of "being safer" with the collateral damage of postponing these things being tremendous,  then I clearly am on the side of the show must go on.

I understand this stuff may change between then and now and that it is insane to allow these shows to go on if they are flat out a public health risk.  But I get the sense that they would only be postponed because of the nervous nellys in society that are freaking out right now, and if that is the case....let's just fucking do this. 

Agree with all of this. I think there are people too, myself included (hand up for being a bit salty in this thread at times), that are frustrated too because it feels like certain folks in this thread seemingly want the tour to be cancelled, at least based on the way they’re commenting. To that I say, if you’re worried about your health at these shows, then put your tickets on F2F - nobody is forcing anyone to go. There are also lots of folks still ISO tickets to these shows so if you’re at all afraid, list away!

It definitely feels like some are rooting for it to be canceled. Weird. 

No one is rooting for it to be canceled. They are concerned for their families and communities. It’s just a concert that can be rescheduled. Some people’s priorities on here are questionable at best and should be re-evaluated. 

Keep missing the point dude.  It's all good.

I live in an area with almost 10,000,000 people surrounding me.  I work in an office full of people that just took trains and buses in, most with kids in schools.

If you think I, or anyone else, in the NE of this country is gonna avoid catching this thing because PJ cancels a show at MSG you need to get your head examined.

If its here and they can't stop it, I'll get it if I'm gonna get it.

As opposed to cowering under my sheets in some futile attempt to avoid microscopic bacteria in the greater NYC area, I'd rather do it rocking out with a beer in each hand.

Clueless

mace1229

bbiggs said:

mace1229 said:

gotthebottle said:

jimjam1982 said:

The virus is already dying out. China has reported significant decreases. As outbreaks continue in 1st world free countries and more tests are conducted the death rate will plummet due to quality healthcare.

No plans to cancel major events in april such as coachella, nfl draft, country thunder. The band is on social media actively promoting sales and Breakfast was upgraded to be with both stone and mike!

 If you are afraid just F2F and move on. Stop fear mongering

FAKE NEWS! You sound like you listen to the orange menace who says "the tests are beautiful" and "everyone will get one"....virus is not dying out at all. And with more testing you'll find out more people that are positive, people without symptoms can spread the virus. 
Coachella is going on as of now since the Riverside County Public Health MD has no cases in the county as of now. AS OF NOW....

This morning they said China has more people recovering than being infected. Assuming you believe China’s numbers, that means it’s getting better.

1. I don’t believe China.
2. U.S. numbers are rising.

Just facts. 

I laughed when you emphasize what you believe as a fact.
China numbers may be off. We don’t know. I guess you doubting China is the fact?

bbiggs

mace1229 said:

bbiggs said:

mace1229 said:

gotthebottle said:

jimjam1982 said:

The virus is already dying out. China has reported significant decreases. As outbreaks continue in 1st world free countries and more tests are conducted the death rate will plummet due to quality healthcare.

No plans to cancel major events in april such as coachella, nfl draft, country thunder. The band is on social media actively promoting sales and Breakfast was upgraded to be with both stone and mike!

 If you are afraid just F2F and move on. Stop fear mongering

FAKE NEWS! You sound like you listen to the orange menace who says "the tests are beautiful" and "everyone will get one"....virus is not dying out at all. And with more testing you'll find out more people that are positive, people without symptoms can spread the virus. 
Coachella is going on as of now since the Riverside County Public Health MD has no cases in the county as of now. AS OF NOW....

This morning they said China has more people recovering than being infected. Assuming you believe China’s numbers, that means it’s getting better.

1. I don’t believe China.
2. U.S. numbers are rising.

Just facts. 

I laughed when you emphasize what you believe as a fact.
China numbers may be off. We don’t know. I guess you doubting China is the fact?

Glad I could humor you.  Let me break it down for you.  Me not believing the numbers coming out of China is a fact.  Cases of the virus in the U.S. rising is a fact.  Hence, my comment, "just facts."  Laugh away though...

Saltzy23

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Saltzy23 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

nicknyr15 said:

droptheleash9 said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

Has one NA arena concert been cancelled yet? I have not seen any. We are 10 days out for Canada. I think we are good to go for the first 4 shows at the very least and hopefully the 3 on the east coast in the states can happen as well. 

We are all a community on this page and we need to be kinder to each other. I have seen people acting out on both sides of this. Lets chill out and let things land as they do. I am confident that the band will do what is best for everyone involved. 

Agreed, but this is clearly a highly emotional issue for many reasons, between fear of the disease, people not wanting to lose $ or all the time they have spent planning, and obviously not wanting to not see shows.

I take the stance that I am happy these bands are not caving to public pressure where there is no proof these shows are really gonna exacerbate anything yet, and where based on most of the replies I've seen, most people still want them to go on.

I understand the sentiment of 'rather safe than sorry', but if we are only talking marginal amounts of "being safer" with the collateral damage of postponing these things being tremendous,  then I clearly am on the side of the show must go on.

I understand this stuff may change between then and now and that it is insane to allow these shows to go on if they are flat out a public health risk.  But I get the sense that they would only be postponed because of the nervous nellys in society that are freaking out right now, and if that is the case....let's just fucking do this. 

Agree with all of this. I think there are people too, myself included (hand up for being a bit salty in this thread at times), that are frustrated too because it feels like certain folks in this thread seemingly want the tour to be cancelled, at least based on the way they’re commenting. To that I say, if you’re worried about your health at these shows, then put your tickets on F2F - nobody is forcing anyone to go. There are also lots of folks still ISO tickets to these shows so if you’re at all afraid, list away!

It definitely feels like some are rooting for it to be canceled. Weird. 

No one is rooting for it to be canceled. They are concerned for their families and communities. It’s just a concert that can be rescheduled. Some people’s priorities on here are questionable at best and should be re-evaluated. 

Keep missing the point dude.  It's all good.

I live in an area with almost 10,000,000 people surrounding me.  I work in an office full of people that just took trains and buses in, most with kids in schools.

If you think I, or anyone else, in the NE of this country is gonna avoid catching this thing because PJ cancels a show at MSG you need to get your head examined.

If its here and they can't stop it, I'll get it if I'm gonna get it.

As opposed to cowering under my sheets in some futile attempt to avoid microscopic bacteria in the greater NYC area, I'd rather do it rocking out with a beer in each hand.

Clueless

I just left a friendly note under the Floor 1 button in the elevator of my building with hundreds of residents saying that due to the coronavirus I would personally appreciate it if no one would touch it with their exposed fingers and everyone took the stairs up and down....but these crazed lunatics refuse to listen to me and just keep taking it!

Don't people wanna protect their families?!? 

Someone think of the children!!!

Zod

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Saltzy23 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

nicknyr15 said:

droptheleash9 said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

Has one NA arena concert been cancelled yet? I have not seen any. We are 10 days out for Canada. I think we are good to go for the first 4 shows at the very least and hopefully the 3 on the east coast in the states can happen as well. 

We are all a community on this page and we need to be kinder to each other. I have seen people acting out on both sides of this. Lets chill out and let things land as they do. I am confident that the band will do what is best for everyone involved. 

Agreed, but this is clearly a highly emotional issue for many reasons, between fear of the disease, people not wanting to lose $ or all the time they have spent planning, and obviously not wanting to not see shows.

I take the stance that I am happy these bands are not caving to public pressure where there is no proof these shows are really gonna exacerbate anything yet, and where based on most of the replies I've seen, most people still want them to go on.

I understand the sentiment of 'rather safe than sorry', but if we are only talking marginal amounts of "being safer" with the collateral damage of postponing these things being tremendous,  then I clearly am on the side of the show must go on.

I understand this stuff may change between then and now and that it is insane to allow these shows to go on if they are flat out a public health risk.  But I get the sense that they would only be postponed because of the nervous nellys in society that are freaking out right now, and if that is the case....let's just fucking do this. 

Agree with all of this. I think there are people too, myself included (hand up for being a bit salty in this thread at times), that are frustrated too because it feels like certain folks in this thread seemingly want the tour to be cancelled, at least based on the way they’re commenting. To that I say, if you’re worried about your health at these shows, then put your tickets on F2F - nobody is forcing anyone to go. There are also lots of folks still ISO tickets to these shows so if you’re at all afraid, list away!

It definitely feels like some are rooting for it to be canceled. Weird. 

No one is rooting for it to be canceled. They are concerned for their families and communities. It’s just a concert that can be rescheduled. Some people’s priorities on here are questionable at best and should be re-evaluated. 

Keep missing the point dude.  It's all good.

I live in an area with almost 10,000,000 people surrounding me.  I work in an office full of people that just took trains and buses in, most with kids in schools.

If you think I, or anyone else, in the NE of this country is gonna avoid catching this thing because PJ cancels a show at MSG you need to get your head examined.

If its here and they can't stop it, I'll get it if I'm gonna get it.

As opposed to cowering under my sheets in some futile attempt to avoid microscopic bacteria in the greater NYC area, I'd rather do it rocking out with a beer in each hand.

Clueless

Which part?  The one word reply was super helpful.   I tend to be agreeing.  I don't think this thing can be contained because of how mobile we all are?   Flights are still crossing international boundaries, people are still travelling to work, people are going to school, people are travelling to work/school on public transit, people are working with other people, people are going to stores to buy stuff.   The population mixes.    It seems the only thing that has truly worked was in China where they locked down entire cities and made people stay at home.   Completely removing mobility allowed them to calm the spread.   I don't think that's something North America is willing to do.

My question is.. what do you do, when we hit that point where our experts realize it's no longer containable.    I suppose there's the point that you can try to slow down the spread so medical services and cope better.   Other than that, it's going to work it's way around.   At some point so many people will have contracted it, that isolation serves little purpose.

Saltzy23

Zod said:

Saltzy23 said:

Some of you people better start digging your underground bunkers to protect your families....

If I understand what I'm reading correctly it's the older people and people with existing conditions that need to put in bunkers.    It seems younger people are fairly resident to it.   Kids/Teens even more so.    That graph feels like fear mongering.  Putting every country that has a case in red.

I dunno.  My uneducated guess.  This thing isn't containable unless they stop all unnecessary air travel (ie anything that isn't commercial), and force everyone to stay at home for 2 weeks.   As long as people are permitted to be mobile it's going to spread.    Then the outcome is a severe epidemic on our older population :(

I guess I would appreciate it the media did better reporting.   They really emphasize what the mortality percentage, how many people have it, and death rates.   They don't seem to focus on which demographics it's impacting the most, or what you can expect if you're of different ages.  If they did maybe younger people would panic less, and we change our strategy to protect the old people.

This I agree with.

No one should take their grandmother or people with less than perfect immune systems to these shows.  I think that's pretty obvious.  Anyone that is more succeptable to it should absolutely take as many precautions as they can.

For the rest of us in high density population areas, smoke em if ya got em....

You're either gonna get it or not, but going to a PJ show is not gonna impact it one way or the other in any realistic way.

Sarava

mattsavard said:

washed in black said:

Saw this sobering thread on twitter. 
https://twitter.com/lizspecht/status/1236095180459003909?s=21

That's a great post that the deniers likely won't read. 

This post from the head of Lombardy's healthcare system about how it is on the brink of collapse. 

https://twitter.com/racheldonadio/status/1236430756412567559?s=21

That is coming here... next month? The month after? It's 100% coming unless we lock everyone up at home for months like China has done. That is the only way to stop this virus.

And it's that lockdown not going to happen here... 

Unfortunately, even this thread shows why this virus will be hard to contain. There are certain people that think they are smarter than doctors and scientists and are willing to throw caution right out the door. The problem is, it's not just at their expense and their family's expense, but all of our expense. Society needs to work together to lessen the impact of this pandemic, and that's hard to do when some won't play along.

Italy is suffering because of people like that, and we probably will be soon as well.

PeterED

PJNB said:

sparky_fry said:

As someone who is grappling with whether or not to leave my small town in a province with no cases to travel to a city with confirmed cases I do wish that the decision is made for me.

I wish you the best on your decision but as of today 0.00015% of the  Ontario population has this and 21 out of the 23 were caught right away. Yes community spread can come and yes there is a chance that it has happened that we are unaware of at the moment but those are the numbers that we are given today. This is my opinion for me and me alone but I feel very comfortable going to the 4 Canadian shows. 

So far in Canada there is very little local transmission (meaning, the vast majority of cases were brought into Canada from outside.) I believe things will indeed get worse here but like PJNB, I also feel pretty confident about going to these shows. (Not sure I’d want to be in GA, though, if I am being honest.)

And as other have expressed, if people are worried about attending shows then why not just sell your tickets? PJ has already worked out no fee, face value resales so hopefully nobody is out of pocket on tickets.

RK50065

kst said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

O_G_D said:

Purell.  Bro, I have over 1000 rounds each of .45 .380, ad 9 milli. Two trash cans full of gasoline, my pool is empty and filled with boxes of masks, and the bunkers got enough chef boyardee to last me 12 years.

No joke, I just saw purell on Amazon at $52 for two 1-oz containers.  I guess we need a F2F system for purell now.

At least you saw it available!

Zod

Sarava said:

mattsavard said:

washed in black said:

Saw this sobering thread on twitter. 
https://twitter.com/lizspecht/status/1236095180459003909?s=21

That's a great post that the deniers likely won't read. 

This post from the head of Lombardy's healthcare system about how it is on the brink of collapse. 

https://twitter.com/racheldonadio/status/1236430756412567559?s=21

That is coming here... next month? The month after? It's 100% coming unless we lock everyone up at home for months like China has done. That is the only way to stop this virus.

And it's that lockdown not going to happen here... 

Unfortunately, even this thread shows why this virus will be hard to contain. There are certain people that think they are smarter than doctors and scientists and are willing to throw caution right out the door. The problem is, it's not just at their expense and their family's expense, but all of our expense. Society needs to work together to lessen the impact of this pandemic, and that's hard to do when some won't play along.

Italy is suffering because of people like that, and we probably will be soon as well.

This is what I don't get.  How do you expect to contain it?  It's easily transmissible.   If people leave their homes and make contact with other humans it's going to spread.   Here in Canada they are still freely allowing people to come in through airports from other countries.  The worst you get is a question on the electronic immigration system asking if you've been a specific province in China.   They aren't screening at all.  These people land, wander around for a number of days before developing symptoms, then self quarantine.  In the meantime they spread it for days, and other people get it, and so fort.

I think it's containable, but you would need be pretty draconian in doing so.   Force people to stay at home.  This means closing pretty much everything (work, schools, transit, everything).  Ban international air travel (Except for commercial movement of goods).   Stop people 100% from being mobile.  That's pretty much how China curbed the growth of the virus. 

That creates all sorts of other problems economically.  What happens if businesses aren't making money, what trickles down to people not getting paid.   How many business get shuttered, and people default on loans kind of stuff.   Is the economic damage worse or better than the spread of the virus kind of stuff.

For me.... I could understand if our governments went all draconian and shut everything down.   Short of doing that, I don't see how the spread stops.

RoleModelsinBlood31

Sarava said:

mattsavard said:

washed in black said:

Saw this sobering thread on twitter. 
https://twitter.com/lizspecht/status/1236095180459003909?s=21

That's a great post that the deniers likely won't read. 

This post from the head of Lombardy's healthcare system about how it is on the brink of collapse. 

https://twitter.com/racheldonadio/status/1236430756412567559?s=21

That is coming here... next month? The month after? It's 100% coming unless we lock everyone up at home for months like China has done. That is the only way to stop this virus.

And it's that lockdown not going to happen here... 

Unfortunately, even this thread shows why this virus will be hard to contain. There are certain people that think they are smarter than doctors and scientists and are willing to throw caution right out the door. The problem is, it's not just at their expense and their family's expense, but all of our expense. Society needs to work together to lessen the impact of this pandemic, and that's hard to do when some won't play along.

Italy is suffering because of people like that, and we probably will be soon as well.

Remember that “suffering” is pretty much having the symptoms of a cold.  Aches, runny nose, fever, etc  Yes, elderly folks are more susceptible and are dying, but with a billion cases of flu vs 100,000 covid-19, the fear isn’t necessary. This is being treated like sars or the plague, when it should be looked at as a regular flu season.

mattsavard

RK50065 said:

kst said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

O_G_D said:

Purell.  Bro, I have over 1000 rounds each of .45 .380, ad 9 milli. Two trash cans full of gasoline, my pool is empty and filled with boxes of masks, and the bunkers got enough chef boyardee to last me 12 years.

No joke, I just saw purell on Amazon at $52 for two 1-oz containers.  I guess we need a F2F system for purell now.

At least you saw it available!

Just make your own, people. 

Ethyl-Alcohol over 90% 
add Aloe Vera gel until it's 65-70% (do the math). 

VOILA. Hand sanitizer. 

Isopropyl alcohol will work too,  but is a bit harder on skin. Both are CHEAP at most drugstores 

sparky_fry

PeterED said:

PJNB said:

sparky_fry said:

As someone who is grappling with whether or not to leave my small town in a province with no cases to travel to a city with confirmed cases I do wish that the decision is made for me.

I wish you the best on your decision but as of today 0.00015% of the  Ontario population has this and 21 out of the 23 were caught right away. Yes community spread can come and yes there is a chance that it has happened that we are unaware of at the moment but those are the numbers that we are given today. This is my opinion for me and me alone but I feel very comfortable going to the 4 Canadian shows. 

So far in Canada there is very little local transmission (meaning, the vast majority of cases were brought into Canada from outside.) I believe things will indeed get worse here but like PJNB, I also feel pretty confident about going to these shows. (Not sure I’d want to be in GA, though, if I am being honest.)

And as other have expressed, if people are worried about attending shows then why not just sell your tickets? PJ has already worked out no fee, face value resales so hopefully nobody is out of pocket on tickets.

I agree with you both. I also believe those percentages increase if you factor in traveling through Toronto airport and using public transportation to the shows. There has been a confirmed case of an infected person using public transportation in Toronto. As it stands now I would go to the show but I also know this is going to get worse instead of better. I'm very grateful  of F2F giving fans the option of selling.