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*** DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED FOR A SECOND TIME *** (392 days after the first)

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    edited January 14
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??

    2 time popular vote loser
    2 times impeached.
    candidate with the most votes ever cast against.

    he is the world champion of being impeached.
    It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?

    I don't know why everyone is excited about this.  The house still has a great divide in it.  Only 10 republicans voted for it?  That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all.  That is what worries me most.  What do they see that others aren't?

    Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
    Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment? 

    Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment? 
    I'll say it again.

    WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it?  Why does half the country still vote for Trump?

    Huge disconnect.

    I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President.  That to me is stretching it a bit too much.

    He did rally the troops though.

    was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
    I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it"  Do you think the crowd took him seriously?  He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still.  People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.

    Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality.  He started it for sure.

    did anyone go after any politicians?
    Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.
    Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally.  That was obviously my point that was missed...  Tsk tsk.
    It was a poor comparison and a knock on how this band actually conducts itself. Also, I don't know of the comment you mentioned and question the wording and context. Not to knock on you, but sometimes we aren't very good at recalling things and it is almost impposible for anyone to refute what you said because it's a vague reference. Eddie may make some borderline comments at times, but there is nothing that could ever compare to what has happened the last several months and years.
    It's the Louisiana 2000 bootleg series.  Right after DTE I believe.

    I love how I cite something just to make a point yet no one wants to agree with it.

    This is why we have a divide in the country.  People dismiss things right off the bat if they don't agree with it.
    i think the main difference why people are dismissing it is because of the sheer scale that trump did it on compared to ed saying it to one crowd one time. trump has been inciting crowds against minorities, "radical leftist democrats", the media, etc, for literally years. he holds rallies with tens of thousands and telling people he'd love to knock the hell out of people, shouts conspiracy theories and inciting violence on twitter, opining about the good ol days where the cops could assault suspects, wanting to lock up his political opponents, etc. 

    I understand where you're coming from, but to be fair, that comparison just can't be made. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,559
    This, like so many things, is more nuanced than the internet usually accommodates.

    Common sense tells me that Trump was, at best, irresponsible in his riling up an angry mob full of people that are cultishly devoted to him. For that I blame him. He'd have to be stupid (oh, oh) to not realize the possible danger in lighting the fuse he was lighting. Legally, can he be blamed? I don't know. Just like it's my job to not bring a pitchfork when I'm trying to get my elected representative to start behaving properly, it was each member of the mob's job to be peaceful and not break in.

    I think biggest difference between your Eddie example and this is the immediacy of it. They were a few blocks from the very activity that was going to finalize Trump's loss and the concert was in no such proximity during an un-related even.  Common sense (again, I can't articulate legal differences) tells me 1) that the fans aren't going to exit the building and do anything and 2) that it was metaphorical.  On the other hand, Trump actually sent people in the direction of the capital (and implied he'd go with them, but, you know bone spurs). And the immediate danger of the situation was far more prevalent in this case.

    Legally, I don't know how culpable he his on what we know* but I do think it was irresponsible and a clear indication that he should not be president for the next four hours, much less the next four years.

    *I think it's very possible it was more than off the cuff and that the mob did what he wanted him to do and that this was facilitated by a discussion amongst the white nationalists that were later (earlier) seen dancing to 1980s music.  I even think it's possible the GOP or Team Trump sent some of the zip tie guys in, using the idiot mob as camouflage. But at this point, that's not proven. If that ever comes out, we have a whole new conversation. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 26,932
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??

    2 time popular vote loser
    2 times impeached.
    candidate with the most votes ever cast against.

    he is the world champion of being impeached.
    It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?

    I don't know why everyone is excited about this.  The house still has a great divide in it.  Only 10 republicans voted for it?  That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all.  That is what worries me most.  What do they see that others aren't?

    Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
    Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment? 

    Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment? 
    I'll say it again.

    WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it?  Why does half the country still vote for Trump?

    Huge disconnect.

    I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President.  That to me is stretching it a bit too much.

    He did rally the troops though.

    was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
    I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it"  Do you think the crowd took him seriously?  He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still.  People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.

    Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality.  He started it for sure.

    did anyone go after any politicians?
    Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.
    Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally.  That was obviously my point that was missed...  Tsk tsk.
    It was a poor comparison and a knock on how this band actually conducts itself. Also, I don't know of the comment you mentioned and question the wording and context. Not to knock on you, but sometimes we aren't very good at recalling things and it is almost impposible for anyone to refute what you said because it's a vague reference. Eddie may make some borderline comments at times, but there is nothing that could ever compare to what has happened the last several months and years.
    It's the Louisiana 2000 bootleg series.  Right after DTE I believe.

    I love how I cite something just to make a point yet no one wants to agree with it.

    This is why we have a divide in the country.  People dismiss things right off the bat if they don't agree with it.
    It was a bullshit comparison. Sorry you disagree with that. Hmmmmm, let me give this some serious thought. Eddie says something once about politicians at a show in 2000 and it automatically is equivalent to what Tricky Team Trump TREASON Tax Cheat has been doing for the past 4 to 5 years, at his rallies, on social media and with an echo chamber of right wing media to amplify and legitimate a bullshit message. Sure, same-same. And when you get called out on it, you ridicule those who disagree with your preposterous comparison. Talk about a divide? Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 26,932

    Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone. 

    Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally? 
    My Uncle interviewed Manson and I will say this, he had the ability to have people do whatever he said.  He had quite a few Manson disciples show up at his doorstep or in his house for that matter.  Manson is a whole other ball of wax.

    Manson actually controlled people.
    What the hell did your uncle do to get to interview Manson? I read Helter Skelter when it came out as a kid. Those folks were whacked.
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  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 16,908
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??

    2 time popular vote loser
    2 times impeached.
    candidate with the most votes ever cast against.

    he is the world champion of being impeached.
    It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?

    I don't know why everyone is excited about this.  The house still has a great divide in it.  Only 10 republicans voted for it?  That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all.  That is what worries me most.  What do they see that others aren't?

    Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
    Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment? 

    Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment? 
    I'll say it again.

    WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it?  Why does half the country still vote for Trump?

    Huge disconnect.

    I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President.  That to me is stretching it a bit too much.

    He did rally the troops though.

    was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
    I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it"  Do you think the crowd took him seriously?  He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still.  People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.

    Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality.  He started it for sure.

    did anyone go after any politicians?
    Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.
    Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally.  That was obviously my point that was missed...  Tsk tsk.
    It was a poor comparison and a knock on how this band actually conducts itself. Also, I don't know of the comment you mentioned and question the wording and context. Not to knock on you, but sometimes we aren't very good at recalling things and it is almost impposible for anyone to refute what you said because it's a vague reference. Eddie may make some borderline comments at times, but there is nothing that could ever compare to what has happened the last several months and years.
    It's the Louisiana 2000 bootleg series.  Right after DTE I believe.

    I love how I cite something just to make a point yet no one wants to agree with it.

    This is why we have a divide in the country.  People dismiss things right off the bat if they don't agree with it.
    Chris, when one applies facts and rules of logic to your argument and finds it faulty, that's not a dismissal right off the bat. It's a disqualification based on a priori knowledge, not reactionary opinion.

    We have a divide in this country because idiots refuse to apply facts and rules of logic to their arguments; they believe and react and disregard the wealth of collected knowledge at their fingertips for misinformation/opinions that simply reinforce their beliefs and reactions.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,053
    edited January 14

    Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone. 

    Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally? 
    My Uncle interviewed Manson and I will say this, he had the ability to have people do whatever he said.  He had quite a few Manson disciples show up at his doorstep or in his house for that matter.  Manson is a whole other ball of wax.

    Manson actually controlled people.
    That’s so interesting!  Only a few people have been able to interview him, so I am very curious who your uncle is (I don’t expect you to tell me, just fascinated).  I bet he has some interesting things to say about the experience.  Manson is definitely a “different” case.  The studying of him in my forensic psychology course was intriguing. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,594
    2023
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??

    2 time popular vote loser
    2 times impeached.
    candidate with the most votes ever cast against.

    he is the world champion of being impeached.
    It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?

    I don't know why everyone is excited about this.  The house still has a great divide in it.  Only 10 republicans voted for it?  That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all.  That is what worries me most.  What do they see that others aren't?

    Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
    Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment? 

    Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment? 
    I'll say it again.

    WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it?  Why does half the country still vote for Trump?

    Huge disconnect.

    I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President.  That to me is stretching it a bit too much.

    He did rally the troops though.

    was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
    I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it"  Do you think the crowd took him seriously?  He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still.  People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.

    Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality.  He started it for sure.

    did anyone go after any politicians?
    Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.
    Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally.  That was obviously my point that was missed...  Tsk tsk.
    It was a poor comparison and a knock on how this band actually conducts itself. Also, I don't know of the comment you mentioned and question the wording and context. Not to knock on you, but sometimes we aren't very good at recalling things and it is almost impposible for anyone to refute what you said because it's a vague reference. Eddie may make some borderline comments at times, but there is nothing that could ever compare to what has happened the last several months and years.
    It's the Louisiana 2000 bootleg series.  Right after DTE I believe.

    I love how I cite something just to make a point yet no one wants to agree with it.

    This is why we have a divide in the country.  People dismiss things right off the bat if they don't agree with it.
    It was a bullshit comparison. Sorry you disagree with that. Hmmmmm, let me give this some serious thought. Eddie says something once about politicians at a show in 2000 and it automatically is equivalent to what Tricky Team Trump TREASON Tax Cheat has been doing for the past 4 to 5 years, at his rallies, on social media and with an echo chamber of right wing media to amplify and legitimate a bullshit message. Sure, same-same. And when you get called out on it, you ridicule those who disagree with your preposterous comparison. Talk about a divide? Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk
    Someone brought up Manson which was 50 years ago...

    The message was that things should not be taken literally or choose to take something out of context.  Trump never said to go hang someone or build a noose, but it happened and a person on here wants him responsible for that yet someone else pointed out the intelligence of the crowd.  Trying to blame him for those actions I do not agree with.  It was a stretch which was my point but took a tangent.

    Anything that somewhat reflects like defending Trump never goes well on here.  It is a country divided and I really wanted to try and grasp that concept further because it really is mind boggling as I don't think Trump is fit for office but 75million thought he is.


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,594
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    Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone. 

    Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally? 
    My Uncle interviewed Manson and I will say this, he had the ability to have people do whatever he said.  He had quite a few Manson disciples show up at his doorstep or in his house for that matter.  Manson is a whole other ball of wax.

    Manson actually controlled people.
    What the hell did your uncle do to get to interview Manson? I read Helter Skelter when it came out as a kid. Those folks were whacked.
    If you are really interested in that part of the story I will share it here.  It's public knowledge, meaning it's out there and my uncle was kind of a whackadoo.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,594
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    I'll switch gears and put the Manson story in it's own thread.  Comment there.  Give me a few minutes.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 26,932

    Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone. 

    Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally? 
    My Uncle interviewed Manson and I will say this, he had the ability to have people do whatever he said.  He had quite a few Manson disciples show up at his doorstep or in his house for that matter.  Manson is a whole other ball of wax.

    Manson actually controlled people.
    What the hell did your uncle do to get to interview Manson? I read Helter Skelter when it came out as a kid. Those folks were whacked.
    If you are really interested in that part of the story I will share it here.  It's public knowledge, meaning it's out there and my uncle was kind of a whackadoo.
    I am interested in that story. I remember Manson and the trial from the news as a kid and then I read Helter Skelter. Then of course Squeaky Fromme tries to shoot Ford and they keep coming up for parole. Crazy.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,042
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??

    2 time popular vote loser
    2 times impeached.
    candidate with the most votes ever cast against.

    he is the world champion of being impeached.
    It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?

    I don't know why everyone is excited about this.  The house still has a great divide in it.  Only 10 republicans voted for it?  That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all.  That is what worries me most.  What do they see that others aren't?

    Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
    Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment? 

    Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment? 
    I'll say it again.

    WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it?  Why does half the country still vote for Trump?

    Huge disconnect.

    I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President.  That to me is stretching it a bit too much.

    He did rally the troops though.

    was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
    I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it"  Do you think the crowd took him seriously?  He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still.  People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.

    Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality.  He started it for sure.

    did anyone go after any politicians?
    Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.
    Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally.  That was obviously my point that was missed...  Tsk tsk.
    It was a poor comparison and a knock on how this band actually conducts itself. Also, I don't know of the comment you mentioned and question the wording and context. Not to knock on you, but sometimes we aren't very good at recalling things and it is almost impposible for anyone to refute what you said because it's a vague reference. Eddie may make some borderline comments at times, but there is nothing that could ever compare to what has happened the last several months and years.
    It's the Louisiana 2000 bootleg series.  Right after DTE I believe.

    I love how I cite something just to make a point yet no one wants to agree with it.

    This is why we have a divide in the country.  People dismiss things right off the bat if they don't agree with it.
    It was a bullshit comparison. Sorry you disagree with that. Hmmmmm, let me give this some serious thought. Eddie says something once about politicians at a show in 2000 and it automatically is equivalent to what Tricky Team Trump TREASON Tax Cheat has been doing for the past 4 to 5 years, at his rallies, on social media and with an echo chamber of right wing media to amplify and legitimate a bullshit message. Sure, same-same. And when you get called out on it, you ridicule those who disagree with your preposterous comparison. Talk about a divide? Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk
    Someone brought up Manson which was 50 years ago...

    The message was that things should not be taken literally or choose to take something out of context.  Trump never said to go hang someone or build a noose, but it happened and a person on here wants him responsible for that yet someone else pointed out the intelligence of the crowd.  Trying to blame him for those actions I do not agree with.  It was a stretch which was my point but took a tangent.

    Anything that somewhat reflects like defending Trump never goes well on here.  It is a country divided and I really wanted to try and grasp that concept further because it really is mind boggling as I don't think Trump is fit for office but 75million thought he is.



    The crowd that  Trump assembled built a gallows and stormed the building chanting hang Mike Pence after Trump incited the crowd to go after Mike Pence. 

    He brought that crowd together. He incited them. He sent them after Mike Pence. These are indisputable facts. That he didn't say the words "build a gallows & hang him" doesn't absolve him of assembling and inciting that crowd. 

    There's a Capitol police officer dead as a direct result of Trump's actions. 

  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,128
    edited January 14
    2021
    seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??

    2 time popular vote loser
    2 times impeached.
    candidate with the most votes ever cast against.

    he is the world champion of being impeached.
    It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?

    I don't know why everyone is excited about this.  The house still has a great divide in it.  Only 10 republicans voted for it?  That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all.  That is what worries me most.  What do they see that others aren't?

    Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
    10 is the most ever to go against their own party's president. It's actually an historically significant number. Twice the amount who went against Clinton.

    What do they see that we don't? Fear. Many know they are wrong. There are numerous reports that they were afraid these Trump Terrorists would go after them and their families:

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-trump-impeachment-vote-01-13-21/h_8ecf6f48ec1a823cecafae541f5dc3c5
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/534034-democrat-gop-colleagues-say-theyre-afraid-for-their-lives-if-they-vote-to
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-lawmakers-afraid-for-their-lives-if-they-vote-to-impeach-house-democrat-says

    Ironically, they are also fearful of a backlash from the same people they are afraid might kill them and their familes at the polling booths in 2022. If they go against Trump, Trump will not forget it and will likely support a primary challenge and encourage his terrorists to vote for the challenger. 

    Fear. They know the election wasn't stolen but out of fear of Trump and his supporters they went along with it. Fear. They know Trump incited a violent mob in an attempt to overthrow the certification of a duly elected new government, but they went along with it.

    Fear. The party is not all made up of racists and bigots, though all racist and bigots support that party. Fear is what has dominated the majority of their decisions since 2017 and, unfortunately, it appears as if that will continue for a while. Hopefully Mitch McConnell does the right thing so we can at least be assured Trump cannot run again and can't pretend like he will either. 

    Fear. 


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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,594
    2023
    seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??

    2 time popular vote loser
    2 times impeached.
    candidate with the most votes ever cast against.

    he is the world champion of being impeached.
    It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?

    I don't know why everyone is excited about this.  The house still has a great divide in it.  Only 10 republicans voted for it?  That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all.  That is what worries me most.  What do they see that others aren't?

    Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
    10 is the most ever to go against their own party's president. It's actually an historically significant number. Twice the amount who went against Clinton.

    What do they see that we don't? Fear. Many know they are wrong. There are numerous reports that they were afraid these Trump Terrorists would go after them and their families:

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-trump-impeachment-vote-01-13-21/h_8ecf6f48ec1a823cecafae541f5dc3c5
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/534034-democrat-gop-colleagues-say-theyre-afraid-for-their-lives-if-they-vote-to
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-lawmakers-afraid-for-their-lives-if-they-vote-to-impeach-house-democrat-says

    Ironically, they are also fearful of a backlash from the same people they are afraid might kill them and their familes at the polling booths in 2022. If they go against Trump, Trump will not forget it and will likely support a primary challenge and encourage his terrorists to vote for the challenger. 

    Fear. They know the election wasn't stolen but out of fear of Trump and his supporters they went along with it. Fear. They know Trump incited a violent mob in an attempt to overthrow the certification of a duly elected new government, but they went along with it.

    Fear. The party is not all made up of racists and bigots, though all racist and bigots support that party. Fear is what has dominated the majority of their decisions since 2017 and, unfortunately, it appears as if that will continue for a while. Hopefully Mitch McConnell does the right thing so we can at least be assured Trump cannot run again and can't pretend like he will either. 

    Fear. 


    I agree w the fear angle.  Romney was clearly shaken when he spoke.

    That doesn't account for the people that do follow him?  

    It is dumbfounding to have that many people follow a party/person like this?  Look I don't think illegals should have a drivers license but I'm not going sideways about it and taking up arms and going to the capitol.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,594
    2023

    Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone. 

    Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally? 
    My Uncle interviewed Manson and I will say this, he had the ability to have people do whatever he said.  He had quite a few Manson disciples show up at his doorstep or in his house for that matter.  Manson is a whole other ball of wax.

    Manson actually controlled people.
    What the hell did your uncle do to get to interview Manson? I read Helter Skelter when it came out as a kid. Those folks were whacked.
    If you are really interested in that part of the story I will share it here.  It's public knowledge, meaning it's out there and my uncle was kind of a whackadoo.
    I am interested in that story. I remember Manson and the trial from the news as a kid and then I read Helter Skelter. Then of course Squeaky Fromme tries to shoot Ford and they keep coming up for parole. Crazy.
    It's up.  short and sweet from what I remember talking w him.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,128
    edited January 14
    2021
    seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??

    2 time popular vote loser
    2 times impeached.
    candidate with the most votes ever cast against.

    he is the world champion of being impeached.
    It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?

    I don't know why everyone is excited about this.  The house still has a great divide in it.  Only 10 republicans voted for it?  That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all.  That is what worries me most.  What do they see that others aren't?

    Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
    10 is the most ever to go against their own party's president. It's actually an historically significant number. Twice the amount who went against Clinton.

    What do they see that we don't? Fear. Many know they are wrong. There are numerous reports that they were afraid these Trump Terrorists would go after them and their families:

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-trump-impeachment-vote-01-13-21/h_8ecf6f48ec1a823cecafae541f5dc3c5
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/534034-democrat-gop-colleagues-say-theyre-afraid-for-their-lives-if-they-vote-to
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-lawmakers-afraid-for-their-lives-if-they-vote-to-impeach-house-democrat-says

    Ironically, they are also fearful of a backlash from the same people they are afraid might kill them and their familes at the polling booths in 2022. If they go against Trump, Trump will not forget it and will likely support a primary challenge and encourage his terrorists to vote for the challenger. 

    Fear. They know the election wasn't stolen but out of fear of Trump and his supporters they went along with it. Fear. They know Trump incited a violent mob in an attempt to overthrow the certification of a duly elected new government, but they went along with it.

    Fear. The party is not all made up of racists and bigots, though all racist and bigots support that party. Fear is what has dominated the majority of their decisions since 2017 and, unfortunately, it appears as if that will continue for a while. Hopefully Mitch McConnell does the right thing so we can at least be assured Trump cannot run again and can't pretend like he will either. 

    Fear. 


    I agree w the fear angle.  Romney was clearly shaken when he spoke.

    That doesn't account for the people that do follow him?  

    It is dumbfounding to have that many people follow a party/person like this?  Look I don't think illegals should have a drivers license but I'm not going sideways about it and taking up arms and going to the capitol.
    Its the cult of personality. Most of these people care more about Trump than they do Republican ideals and even the country. They're mostly middle class folks who've been shafted for most of the last 30+ years and they fell in love with Trump because he somehow convinced them he cares and feels their pain. This "billionaire" who never worked an honest day in his life has made these people think he is one of them. Call it brainwashing or call it whatever you want. The one thing Trump excels in is bullshit. He has successfully bullshitted his way into billions of dollars in his life and he has successfully swindled over 40% of the electorate. 

    Then you throw in the really crazy qanon nuts who were likely nuts before Trump and that's thrown gasoline onto the fire. 

    But it is important to remember that those people are the minority. He never once got the majority of support of this country. His approval ratings were near all time lows since day 1. He is the first president since Hoover to lose the house, senate, and white house in one term. 


    Edit---I believe this is also how Hitler came into power. Thank GOD for Joe Biden. 
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  • cutzcutz Posts: 9,980

    Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone. 

    Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally? 
    Good analogy & one I've used.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 8,121
    Great headline



  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,136
    Jeags wasnt fuckstick impeached in Dec of 19 then went to trial in Jan?

    seems your edited title is in error...
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,128
    2021
    mickeyrat said:
    Jeags wasnt fuckstick impeached in Dec of 19 then went to trial in Jan?

    seems your edited title is in error...
    Done. Thanks Mick. We always strive for accuracy in this thread. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,397
    2023
    i just remembered. 

    per the red dress yelling lady at the convention, "THE BEST IS YET TO COOOOOOMMMMMEEEEE!!!!"

    has the best come yet?
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    "i'm not here to start the fire. i am here to fan the flames..."

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    i just remembered. 

    per the red dress yelling lady at the convention, "THE BEST IS YET TO COOOOOOMMMMMEEEEE!!!!"

    has the best come yet?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,136
    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump's impeachment trial is likely to start after Joe Biden's inauguration, and the Republican leader, Mitch McConnell, is telling senators their decision on whether to convict the outgoing president over the Capitol riot will be a “vote of conscience.”



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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,471
    mickeyrat said:
    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump's impeachment trial is likely to start after Joe Biden's inauguration, and the Republican leader, Mitch McConnell, is telling senators their decision on whether to convict the outgoing president over the Capitol riot will be a “vote of conscience.”



    Unfortunately not a single one of those jackasses has a conscience 
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,463
    I've seen quite a few predictions that Impeachment won't have any significance soon, because every President is going to get Impeached by the opposition going forward...I don't think it happens, I think the majority of our leaders, even the shameless Trumpers, are eager to regain some decorum and some of the tradition which lends prestige to the roles they serve.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,221
    Where are all of our Trump supporters that thought we were going to wake up crying to trump winning the election?  They seem to all have been pretty silent around here lately. I miss the drama.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,463
    static111 said:
    Where are all of our Trump supporters that thought we were going to wake up crying to trump winning the election?  They seem to all have been pretty silent around here lately. I miss the drama.
    It's days like this you wish they weren't all banned lol

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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,221
    rgambs said:
    static111 said:
    Where are all of our Trump supporters that thought we were going to wake up crying to trump winning the election?  They seem to all have been pretty silent around here lately. I miss the drama.
    It's days like this you wish they weren't all banned lol

    Slow news days are the worst.  
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,503
    static111 said:
    Where are all of our Trump supporters that thought we were going to wake up crying to trump winning the election?  They seem to all have been pretty silent around here lately. I miss the drama.

    They're waiting for a Trump version of this to happen:


    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,136
    static111 said:
    rgambs said:
    static111 said:
    Where are all of our Trump supporters that thought we were going to wake up crying to trump winning the election?  They seem to all have been pretty silent around here lately. I miss the drama.
    It's days like this you wish they weren't all banned lol

    Slow news days are the worst.  

    get used to it......
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