Who is your choice in the Democratic Presidential Primary?

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,424
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Three swing states (check my math)... VA, NC, MN.  Biden showing real strength.  Minnesota is no gimme state so if he wins it,  that's significant for the general
    I thought Biden just said he won Minnesota.  
    He did,  but it hasn't been called yet
    They are calling it on abc. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,527
    Pete Buttigeg
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Three swing states (check my math)... VA, NC, MN.  Biden showing real strength.  Minnesota is no gimme state so if he wins it,  that's significant for the general
    I thought Biden just said he won Minnesota.  
    He did,  but it hasn't been called yet
    They are calling it on abc. 
    Huge.  That's not about delegates,  it's about the message it sends for the general.  He has real strength in the purple states. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Three swing states (check my math)... VA, NC, MN.  Biden showing real strength.  Minnesota is no gimme state so if he wins it,  that's significant for the general
    I thought Biden just said he won Minnesota.  
    He did,  but it hasn't been called yet
    They are calling it on abc. 
    Huge.  That's not about delegates,  it's about the message it sends for the general.  He has real strength in the purple states. 
    I realize I live in the liberal bastion that is Minneapolis. But I don't believe Minnesota is as purple as it is made out to be.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,745
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Three swing states (check my math)... VA, NC, MN.  Biden showing real strength.  Minnesota is no gimme state so if he wins it,  that's significant for the general
    I thought Biden just said he won Minnesota.  
    He did,  but it hasn't been called yet
    They are calling it on abc. 
    Huge.  That's not about delegates,  it's about the message it sends for the general.  He has real strength in the purple states. 
    I realize I live in the liberal bastion that is Minneapolis. But I don't believe Minnesota is as purple as it is made out to be.
    It’s not but Biden represents a return to “normalcy.” 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Three swing states (check my math)... VA, NC, MN.  Biden showing real strength.  Minnesota is no gimme state so if he wins it,  that's significant for the general
    I thought Biden just said he won Minnesota.  
    He did,  but it hasn't been called yet
    They are calling it on abc. 
    Huge.  That's not about delegates,  it's about the message it sends for the general.  He has real strength in the purple states. 
    I realize I live in the liberal bastion that is Minneapolis. But I don't believe Minnesota is as purple as it is made out to be.
    It’s not but Biden represents a return to “normalcy.” 
    I will say there were a bunch of Trump supporters on an overpass over the highway the other day.

    They had a bunch of flags and were waving at traffic.  From what I could tell, they were not getting a lot of support from rush hour.

    I honked and waved at them with my one good finger
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Tom Steyer

  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,004
    Elisabeth Warren
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Three swing states (check my math)... VA, NC, MN.  Biden showing real strength.  Minnesota is no gimme state so if he wins it,  that's significant for the general
    I thought Biden just said he won Minnesota.  
    He did,  but it hasn't been called yet
    They are calling it on abc. 
    Huge.  That's not about delegates,  it's about the message it sends for the general.  He has real strength in the purple states. 
    I realize I live in the liberal bastion that is Minneapolis. But I don't believe Minnesota is as purple as it is made out to be.
    I live in St. Paul...I think it’s 50/50 (though I grew up in the suburbs and know some of the base).
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,527
    Pete Buttigeg
    One thing we've learned.. 40 years of relationships matter in politics.  


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,527
    Pete Buttigeg
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Three swing states (check my math)... VA, NC, MN.  Biden showing real strength.  Minnesota is no gimme state so if he wins it,  that's significant for the general
    I thought Biden just said he won Minnesota.  
    He did,  but it hasn't been called yet
    They are calling it on abc. 
    Huge.  That's not about delegates,  it's about the message it sends for the general.  He has real strength in the purple states. 
    I realize I live in the liberal bastion that is Minneapolis. But I don't believe Minnesota is as purple as it is made out to be.
    I agree it's closer to blue,  but it was tight in 2016.  It's also the closest race from 16 that's in the mix tonight.  

  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    OnWis97 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Three swing states (check my math)... VA, NC, MN.  Biden showing real strength.  Minnesota is no gimme state so if he wins it,  that's significant for the general
    I thought Biden just said he won Minnesota.  
    He did,  but it hasn't been called yet
    They are calling it on abc. 
    Huge.  That's not about delegates,  it's about the message it sends for the general.  He has real strength in the purple states. 
    I realize I live in the liberal bastion that is Minneapolis. But I don't believe Minnesota is as purple as it is made out to be.
    I live in St. Paul...I think it’s 50/50 (though I grew up in the suburbs and know some of the base).
    Hey we should grab a beer sometime
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,820
    Andrew Yang
    Warren as Biden’s Secretary of the Treasury. She’ll get Team Trump Treason’s tax returns. Not a bad way to spend your golden years.
    I love it. This reads like Democrat fan-fiction! How about they beat Trump at something for once before ya begin envisioning Biden appointing Warren to live out her golden years. But I’ll play along. I like Biden. In fact, let’s all do a Biden cabinet fantasy draft. Emphasis on “fantasy.” Get your picks ready...
     
    Draft order:

    1) mrussell (sec. of education)
    2) cincybearcat (sec. of state)
    3) halifax (sec of treasury) 
    4) hughfreakindillion (sec of defense)
    5) spiritual chaos (homeland security) 

    and so on....
    Brian Lux for Secretary of the Interior.

    Awww shucks, thanks!  But seriously, if he were still around, the job should've gone to the much more agile Lux Interior!


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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
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    benjs said:
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    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 
    friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
    there's a long road ahead
    as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
    (that won't be bernie)
    That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.
    I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

    Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 
    FUCK DEMOCRACY

    AM 



    RITE
    The DNC gets to choose who they want to support and promote.  It is not a public, democratic body.  It is a private organization.  

    But you knew that.
    That may be true, but requiring a majority in the general election to win it, makes it extremely difficult for anything but a duopoly to exist in the USA. Then, if those two parties are (practically speaking) the only avenues to the presidency, and one has to be vetted by the private organizations prior to being nominated, then I'd argue that he's right and it's just not a democratic process. You could argue that this is evidenced by the fact that it's only been one of the two major parties who's ever actually succeeded.
    which is why we need ranked choice voting

    that aside, has Bernie been vetted?
    where are the medical records he promised?

    forget non-stop commercials about socialism:
    he was a deadbeat dad, no?
    his wife was embroiled in scandal, no?
    tell me more about his gangrape fantasies

    ...the list goes on...

    Beware the person who chooses their own opponent
    that aside, has Bernie been vetted?
    where are the medical records he promised?

    forget non-stop commercials about socialism:
    he was a deadbeat dad, no?
    his wife was embroiled in scandal, no?
    tell me more about his gangrape fantasies


    ...crickets...
    why hasnt biden been vetted about saying he’s running for the senate?

    .... crickets?
    distract deflect divide

    where are Bernie's medical records?
    he was a deadbeat dad, no?
    his wife was embroiled in scandal, no?
    tell me more about his gangrape fantasies
    I’ll give you a dose of reality instead:


    Oh hai thur 😊
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,744
    Joe Biden
    Funny how things have shifted....


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  • Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Posts: 14,352
    Tomorrow I will cast my first ever vote as an American. I was rooting for Warren but have not made my mind up who I will go for tomorrow. I am very excited to finally be able to participate in the process.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Tomorrow I will cast my first ever vote as an American. I was rooting for Warren but have not made my mind up who I will go for tomorrow. I am very excited to finally be able to participate in the process.
    And we are happy to have you, Leeze :)
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,527
    Pete Buttigeg
    Tomorrow I will cast my first ever vote as an American. I was rooting for Warren but have not made my mind up who I will go for tomorrow. I am very excited to finally be able to participate in the process.
    Congrats!  Where are you from originally and where do you live now?
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,820
    Andrew Yang
    Tomorrow I will cast my first ever vote as an American. I was rooting for Warren but have not made my mind up who I will go for tomorrow. I am very excited to finally be able to participate in the process.

    Yay! Congrats!


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  • Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Posts: 14,352
    mrussel1 said:
    Tomorrow I will cast my first ever vote as an American. I was rooting for Warren but have not made my mind up who I will go for tomorrow. I am very excited to finally be able to participate in the process.
    Congrats!  Where are you from originally and where do you live now?

    From Germany, living in the mitten.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,527
    Pete Buttigeg
    mrussel1 said:
    Tomorrow I will cast my first ever vote as an American. I was rooting for Warren but have not made my mind up who I will go for tomorrow. I am very excited to finally be able to participate in the process.
    Congrats!  Where are you from originally and where do you live now?

    From Germany, living in the mitten.
    Welcome then!  That's a pretty different culture, from Germany to Michigan.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,257
    Bernie Sanders
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    benjs said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 
    friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
    there's a long road ahead
    as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
    (that won't be bernie)
    That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.
    I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

    Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 
    FUCK DEMOCRACY

    AM 



    RITE
    The DNC gets to choose who they want to support and promote.  It is not a public, democratic body.  It is a private organization.  

    But you knew that.
    That may be true, but requiring a majority in the general election to win it, makes it extremely difficult for anything but a duopoly to exist in the USA. Then, if those two parties are (practically speaking) the only avenues to the presidency, and one has to be vetted by the private organizations prior to being nominated, then I'd argue that he's right and it's just not a democratic process. You could argue that this is evidenced by the fact that it's only been one of the two major parties who's ever actually succeeded.
    which is why we need ranked choice voting

    that aside, has Bernie been vetted?
    where are the medical records he promised?

    forget non-stop commercials about socialism:
    he was a deadbeat dad, no?
    his wife was embroiled in scandal, no?
    tell me more about his gangrape fantasies

    ...the list goes on...

    Beware the person who chooses their own opponent
    that aside, has Bernie been vetted?
    where are the medical records he promised?

    forget non-stop commercials about socialism:
    he was a deadbeat dad, no?
    his wife was embroiled in scandal, no?
    tell me more about his gangrape fantasies


    ...crickets...
    why hasnt biden been vetted about saying he’s running for the senate?

    .... crickets?
    distract deflect divide

    where are Bernie's medical records?
    he was a deadbeat dad, no?
    his wife was embroiled in scandal, no?
    tell me more about his gangrape fantasies
    I’ll give you a dose of reality instead:


    Oh hai thur 😊
    Oh, I'm sorry - did I write reality. I meant sanity.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Posts: 14,352
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Tomorrow I will cast my first ever vote as an American. I was rooting for Warren but have not made my mind up who I will go for tomorrow. I am very excited to finally be able to participate in the process.
    Congrats!  Where are you from originally and where do you live now?

    From Germany, living in the mitten.
    Welcome then!  That's a pretty different culture, from Germany to Michigan.  

    Thank you :) Weather and landscape are a lot alike and there are no super dangerous animals here or stuff like tornadoes, so this is a good state to be in. It is a different culture, but I would say that goes for America as a whole. It is all and nothing like one knows from tv, books or even university. It has been seven years here for me now, so things are not that strange to me anymore.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,004
    Elisabeth Warren
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Tomorrow I will cast my first ever vote as an American. I was rooting for Warren but have not made my mind up who I will go for tomorrow. I am very excited to finally be able to participate in the process.
    Congrats!  Where are you from originally and where do you live now?

    From Germany, living in the mitten.
    Welcome then!  That's a pretty different culture, from Germany to Michigan.  
    I took "mitten" to be Wisconsin (when I was there people would use their hand to point to where their town was, with the thumb being door county...but yeah, the lower peninsula does look more like a mitten...
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,745
    If Bernie loses in Michigan today, does he drop out? Or, does he run third party? And if so, why?
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,257
    Bernie Sanders
    If Bernie loses in Michigan today, does he drop out? Or, does he run third party? And if so, why?
    No. 

    And

    No.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,858
    Joe Biden
    If Bernie loses in Michigan today, does he drop out? Or, does he run third party? And if so, why?
    I don't think he drops out even if he has a horrible day today. And in my opinion, he shouldn't. Lots of states still have to vote in April (including mine). He's taken it this far over the past five years, I think he should take it until Biden beats him. 

    I don't think Sanders would run third-party. He seems sincere in his "Trump is the most dangerous president ever" stance and knows that a third-party run guarantees Trump's victory. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,257
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Posts: 14,352

    When is your primary? I thought you were from Sweden.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,527
    Pete Buttigeg

    When is your primary? I thought you were from Sweden.
    Bah!  Awesome.  

    And good for Joe.  I like that he speaks aggressively now.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,257
    Bernie Sanders

    When is your primary? I thought you were from Sweden.
    It's in April. I'm voting in the Västergötland primary.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Posts: 14,352

    When is your primary? I thought you were from Sweden.
    It's in April. I'm voting in the Västergötland primary.

    ;)
    I don't think Bernie will make it. His biggest chance are the young voters, and they are apparently not going to vote. This has probably been mentioned a ton here already though. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens tonight.
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