This explains the minimum of 25,000 msg fans with a buying capacity of 100,000 tickets waiting on TM que 10 minutes before the onsale? That's more tickets than what was sold for the 4 non sellouts easily.
PJ restricting ticket sales to all their shows, plus decisions to not look at their audience per capita when they plan their itinerary, has an immense impact on availability and prices
I mentioned this in a previous post but I would estimate that 30 million people live within comfortable driving distance of Baltimore, NYC, Toronto. Even if only a million of those people are interested in the band, that's still a lot of people trying to snap up 60k tickets spread over three shows. Its doesn't account for fans with spouse accounts who are trying to increase their odds, people trying for multiple shows,people willing to fly from further away and brokers.
I think we are at a point in the band's career where audience per capita would barely be a consideration when choosing dates. They are going to sell out or close to at any city/venue they choose. I think it comes down to interest of the band in any given city, ease of travel once the handful of cities have been chosen and how many shows they are willing to do at any given time.
IF the band does a fall leg, I feel like it would at most be 15 shows (I personally think they will opt for a couple of fall ball park shows) which would put them at about 45 shows for the year which by recent standards is SUPER high. These guys are in their 50's, have growing families, this is semi-retirement for them. They know a lot of fans will travel to get to a show nearest them if they have to. I'm sure they wish every fan could come to every show but its not realistic and I would imagine they aren't spending much of their time worrying about it.
Stop making me want to hop on a plane to Quebec. NOW!
I get it. I know its 15 max for the fall and they didnt really touch the south so at best it seems stadiums/ festivals are the even up for NY and N.east. Not fun.
Looking at all the spring arenas elsewhere and how brutal tix were in the east and how we could be closing in on retirement....tick tock.
Back to the original post I think NY screwed NY. They have an anti-scalping law which limits profit to 10%, but at the same time they have laws where people are entitled to physical tickets. People can buy/sell tickets without ever stepping foot into the state, make the 10% rule kind of pointless.
It's pretty night and day between the states whose laws permitted TM/PJ to restrict the tickets vs. the ones that didn't.
This explains the minimum of 25,000 msg fans with a buying capacity of 100,000 tickets waiting on TM que 10 minutes before the onsale? That's more tickets than what was sold for the 4 non sellouts easily.
PJ restricting ticket sales to all their shows, plus decisions to not look at their audience per capita when they plan their itinerary, has an immense impact on availability and prices
I keep saying this, there has to be a good reason for this?
Festival upcoming? More shows to be added?
Or is it just scheduling conflicts with the basketball tournaments? If they're faced with one show or skipping it entirely do they just say one show it is?
I don’t get why this is so hard to understand. I live in Brooklyn. I missed out on lottery and public sales. I will most likely end up paying out of my ass for msg. Why are some people acting like this was a fuck you to the northeast? The way I see it , it was a BONUS show. The scheduling simply doesn’t allow another show. I’d love 8 shows at msg. Would everyone rather they just skip us all together? I don’t understand.
By taking a hard line approach to scalping , a hard line approach to ticket pricing, a hard line approach to transferability unlike any other band, and focusing shows evenly not necessarily where the concentration of fans are...has a dramatic impact on what could be the most expensive arena concert ever. Fans of other a list bands dont see lack of options like this.
It is what it is but it's also the result of chosen paths. But honestly good for the fans that have a grand to blow on the show.
Back to the original post I think NY screwed NY. They have an anti-scalping law which limits profit to 10%, but at the same time they have laws where people are entitled to physical tickets. People can buy/sell tickets without ever stepping foot into the state, make the 10% rule kind of pointless.
It's pretty night and day between the states whose laws permitted TM/PJ to restrict the tickets vs. the ones that didn't.
This explains the minimum of 25,000 msg fans with a buying capacity of 100,000 tickets waiting on TM que 10 minutes before the onsale? That's more tickets than what was sold for the 4 non sellouts easily.
PJ restricting ticket sales to all their shows, plus decisions to not look at their audience per capita when they plan their itinerary, has an immense impact on availability and prices
I keep saying this, there has to be a good reason for this?
Festival upcoming? More shows to be added?
Or is it just scheduling conflicts with the basketball tournaments? If they're faced with one show or skipping it entirely do they just say one show it is?
I don’t get why this is so hard to understand. I live in Brooklyn. I missed out on lottery and public sales. I will most likely end up paying out of my ass for msg. Why are some people acting like this was a fuck you to the northeast? The way I see it , it was a BONUS show. The scheduling simply doesn’t allow another show. I’d love 8 shows at msg. Would everyone rather they just skip us all together? I don’t understand.
Some people just aren't happy unless they have something to be angry about.
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Back to the original post I think NY screwed NY. They have an anti-scalping law which limits profit to 10%, but at the same time they have laws where people are entitled to physical tickets. People can buy/sell tickets without ever stepping foot into the state, make the 10% rule kind of pointless.
It's pretty night and day between the states whose laws permitted TM/PJ to restrict the tickets vs. the ones that didn't.
This explains the minimum of 25,000 msg fans with a buying capacity of 100,000 tickets waiting on TM que 10 minutes before the onsale? That's more tickets than what was sold for the 4 non sellouts easily.
PJ restricting ticket sales to all their shows, plus decisions to not look at their audience per capita when they plan their itinerary, has an immense impact on availability and prices
I keep saying this, there has to be a good reason for this?
Festival upcoming? More shows to be added?
Or is it just scheduling conflicts with the basketball tournaments? If they're faced with one show or skipping it entirely do they just say one show it is?
I don’t get why this is so hard to understand. I live in Brooklyn. I missed out on lottery and public sales. I will most likely end up paying out of my ass for msg. Why are some people acting like this was a fuck you to the northeast? The way I see it , it was a BONUS show. The scheduling simply doesn’t allow another show. I’d love 8 shows at msg. Would everyone rather they just skip us all together? I don’t understand.
Some people just aren't happy unless they have something to be angry about.
Rage Against The Machine is back. Anger is a gift.
Some of us have to travel 6+ hours at minimum to EVER see a pj show. The entitlement of some posters is painful. But,but,but we have more people. Who gives a shit. If you love this band and really want to see them then get off your ass and do it. But, I can't afford to travel, then you miss the tour, oh well, been there. The idea that if they don't play in your backyard you got screwed is unbearable. Please stop, please. Oh and yes, no show anywhere is ever as good as msg, baaaah.
Back to the original post I think NY screwed NY. They have an anti-scalping law which limits profit to 10%, but at the same time they have laws where people are entitled to physical tickets. People can buy/sell tickets without ever stepping foot into the state, make the 10% rule kind of pointless.
It's pretty night and day between the states whose laws permitted TM/PJ to restrict the tickets vs. the ones that didn't.
This explains the minimum of 25,000 msg fans with a buying capacity of 100,000 tickets waiting on TM que 10 minutes before the onsale? That's more tickets than what was sold for the 4 non sellouts easily.
PJ restricting ticket sales to all their shows, plus decisions to not look at their audience per capita when they plan their itinerary, has an immense impact on availability and prices
I keep saying this, there has to be a good reason for this?
Festival upcoming? More shows to be added?
Or is it just scheduling conflicts with the basketball tournaments? If they're faced with one show or skipping it entirely do they just say one show it is?
I don’t get why this is so hard to understand. I live in Brooklyn. I missed out on lottery and public sales. I will most likely end up paying out of my ass for msg. Why are some people acting like this was a fuck you to the northeast? The way I see it , it was a BONUS show. The scheduling simply doesn’t allow another show. I’d love 8 shows at msg. Would everyone rather they just skip us all together? I don’t understand.
Right. If it comes down to it in the fall, I would rather they play 1 Boston show and I scrap to get in vs. saying "2+ or bust" and I have to talk myself out of Philly or some shit.
Every show, beyond just PJ, I’ve seen at MSG has been special. NYC has a vibe that is not replicated any where else and that energy is usually represented inside MSG. People saying it’s not any better than any other show is likely a bit spoiled and desensitized to how special a venue MSG is. That being said, PJ shows at Hartford and Worcester I’ve seen were also really good, especially Hartford, but for me MSG is special.
Back to the original post I think NY screwed NY. They have an anti-scalping law which limits profit to 10%, but at the same time they have laws where people are entitled to physical tickets. People can buy/sell tickets without ever stepping foot into the state, make the 10% rule kind of pointless.
It's pretty night and day between the states whose laws permitted TM/PJ to restrict the tickets vs. the ones that didn't.
This explains the minimum of 25,000 msg fans with a buying capacity of 100,000 tickets waiting on TM que 10 minutes before the onsale? That's more tickets than what was sold for the 4 non sellouts easily.
PJ restricting ticket sales to all their shows, plus decisions to not look at their audience per capita when they plan their itinerary, has an immense impact on availability and prices
I keep saying this, there has to be a good reason for this?
Festival upcoming? More shows to be added?
Or is it just scheduling conflicts with the basketball tournaments? If they're faced with one show or skipping it entirely do they just say one show it is?
I don’t get why this is so hard to understand. I live in Brooklyn. I missed out on lottery and public sales. I will most likely end up paying out of my ass for msg. Why are some people acting like this was a fuck you to the northeast? The way I see it , it was a BONUS show. The scheduling simply doesn’t allow another show. I’d love 8 shows at msg. Would everyone rather they just skip us all together? I don’t understand.
Some people just aren't happy unless they have something to be angry about.
ive been in this club since 1996. its the first time ive ever been shut out of a show at msg. i dont buy multiple shows, and i dont ever flip the merch. I feel betrayed by the fanclub ive supported all these years. first taking the single away, now getting shut out of my hometown show. and seriously, one show in NY?
ive been in this club since 1996. its the first time ive ever been shut out of a show at msg. i dont buy multiple shows, and i dont ever flip the merch. I feel betrayed by the fanclub ive supported all these years. first taking the single away, now getting shut out of my hometown show. and seriously, one show in NY?
Member since '96. I'd just let my membership lapse if I were you.
I do have a couple friends in the 10Club I've sat next to for the past 20 years because we have similar numbers and this 1 guy never freakin loses. He gets all his hometown shows, I don't get it. Since new system I've lost MSG more than I've won. I think some people have been very lucky in the past.
ive been in this club since 1996. its the first time ive ever been shut out of a show at msg. i dont buy multiple shows, and i dont ever flip the merch. I feel betrayed by the fanclub ive supported all these years. first taking the single away, now getting shut out of my hometown show. and seriously, one show in NY?
Are you gutted?
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5/17/06 Chicago-United Center
7/19/13 Chicago-Wrigley Field
10/11/13 Pittsburgh-Consol Energy Center
10/17/14 Moline-IWireless Center (No Code)
10/20/14 Milwaukee-Bradley center (Yield)
4/26/16 Lexington-Rupp Arena
8/20/16 Chicago-Wrigley Field
8/22/16 Chicago-Wrigley Field 8/18/18 Chicago-Wrigley Field 8/20/18 Chicago-Wrigley Field 9/5/23 Chicago-United Center 9/7/23 Chicago-United Center
The number of shows on the Tour screwed New York. The short legs always send demand through the roof.
Yes. Hopefully in the fall they will do two shows in each of the Boston, NY and Philly markets like they have in the past, and just like on those tours we will all be able to easily obtain tickets, nobody will get pissed off about losing lotteries or striking out on Ticketmaster insta-sellouts, and there will be abundant good seats available for reasonable prices on the secondary market.
ive been in this club since 1996. its the first time ive ever been shut out of a show at msg. i dont buy multiple shows, and i dont ever flip the merch. I feel betrayed by the fanclub ive supported all these years. first taking the single away, now getting shut out of my hometown show. and seriously, one show in NY?
Member since '96. I'd just let my membership lapse if I were you.
ive been in this club since 1996. its the first time ive ever been shut out of a show at msg. i dont buy multiple shows, and i dont ever flip the merch. I feel betrayed by the fanclub ive supported all these years. first taking the single away, now getting shut out of my hometown show. and seriously, one show in NY?
Are you gutted?
lets reserve the word 'gutted' for use by the rest of the 13 year old girls and leave it at that. theyre a good band, theyre not my ex boyfriend.
ive been in this club since 1996. its the first time ive ever been shut out of a show at msg. i dont buy multiple shows, and i dont ever flip the merch. I feel betrayed by the fanclub ive supported all these years. first taking the single away, now getting shut out of my hometown show. and seriously, one show in NY?
Betrayed? I've been in the 10C a little longer and I lost out on both Fenway shows in 2016. The odds were tiny but possible to go 0-2 and I got the short straw. It happens. But I wound up with a pair on the field for both shows. Roll up your sleeves and get to work. You've got 2 months.
ive been in this club since 1996. its the first time ive ever been shut out of a show at msg. i dont buy multiple shows, and i dont ever flip the merch. I feel betrayed by the fanclub ive supported all these years. first taking the single away, now getting shut out of my hometown show. and seriously, one show in NY?
Betrayed? I've been in the 10C a little longer and I lost out on both Fenway shows in 2016. The odds were tiny but possible to go 0-2 and I got the short straw. It happens. But I wound up with a pair on the field for both shows. Roll up your sleeves and get to work. You've got 2 months.
Already did. I called in a favor with my friend at the Garden. I'll be sitting in a corporate box with booze, food, and bathrooms. FTW. Shit works out.
ive been in this club since 1996. its the first time ive ever been shut out of a show at msg. i dont buy multiple shows, and i dont ever flip the merch. I feel betrayed by the fanclub ive supported all these years. first taking the single away, now getting shut out of my hometown show. and seriously, one show in NY?
Betrayed? I've been in the 10C a little longer and I lost out on both Fenway shows in 2016. The odds were tiny but possible to go 0-2 and I got the short straw. It happens. But I wound up with a pair on the field for both shows. Roll up your sleeves and get to work. You've got 2 months.
Will you be giving a seminar for those of us without the skill set?
ive been in this club since 1996. its the first time ive ever been shut out of a show at msg. i dont buy multiple shows, and i dont ever flip the merch. I feel betrayed by the fanclub ive supported all these years. first taking the single away, now getting shut out of my hometown show. and seriously, one show in NY?
Betrayed? I've been in the 10C a little longer and I lost out on both Fenway shows in 2016. The odds were tiny but possible to go 0-2 and I got the short straw. It happens. But I wound up with a pair on the field for both shows. Roll up your sleeves and get to work. You've got 2 months.
Already did. I called in a favor with my friend at the Garden. I'll be sitting in a corporate box with booze, food, and bathrooms. FTW. Shit works out.
Damn man, thats awesome. I struck out all three times this time around so looks like I will be waiting day of show at MSG hoping to snag two tickets like I did in 2016
ive been in this club since 1996. its the first time ive ever been shut out of a show at msg. i dont buy multiple shows, and i dont ever flip the merch. I feel betrayed by the fanclub ive supported all these years. first taking the single away, now getting shut out of my hometown show. and seriously, one show in NY?
Betrayed? I've been in the 10C a little longer and I lost out on both Fenway shows in 2016. The odds were tiny but possible to go 0-2 and I got the short straw. It happens. But I wound up with a pair on the field for both shows. Roll up your sleeves and get to work. You've got 2 months.
Will you be giving a seminar for those of us without the skill set?
If I was replying to someone earnestly asking? Yes.
If I was replying to someone who would respond with 6 complainy paragraphs arguing with each of my tips? No.
I've decided I am not happy with the lottery from 2016 and also now that I know the setlists and have listened to the boots I would like the Tenclub to build me the time machine I am owed so that I can go to whatever show I want.
I've decided I am not happy with the lottery from 2016 and also now that I know the setlists and have listened to the boots I would like the Tenclub to build me the time machine I am owed so that I can go to whatever show I want.
It's the least they can do for not providing the analog/analogue (for the Europeans) fans the single as stated in the by-laws.
ive been in this club since 1996. its the first time ive ever been shut out of a show at msg. i dont buy multiple shows, and i dont ever flip the merch. I feel betrayed by the fanclub ive supported all these years. first taking the single away, now getting shut out of my hometown show. and seriously, one show in NY?
Betrayed? I've been in the 10C a little longer and I lost out on both Fenway shows in 2016. The odds were tiny but possible to go 0-2 and I got the short straw. It happens. But I wound up with a pair on the field for both shows. Roll up your sleeves and get to work. You've got 2 months.
Already did. I called in a favor with my friend at the Garden. I'll be sitting in a corporate box with booze, food, and bathrooms. FTW. Shit works out.
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Stop making me want to hop on a plane to Quebec. NOW!
I get it. I know its 15 max for the fall and they didnt really touch the south so at best it seems stadiums/ festivals are the even up for NY and N.east. Not fun.
Looking at all the spring arenas elsewhere and how brutal tix were in the east and how we could be closing in on retirement....tick tock.
It is what it is but it's also the result of chosen paths. But honestly good for the fans that have a grand to blow on the show.
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"He made the deal with the devil, we get to play with him.
He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
The idea that if they don't play in your backyard you got screwed is unbearable.
Please stop, please.
Oh and yes, no show anywhere is ever as good as msg, baaaah.
After 24 years you should have reached gutted status
6/18/03 Chicago-United Center
5/17/06 Chicago-United Center
7/19/13 Chicago-Wrigley Field
10/11/13 Pittsburgh-Consol Energy Center
10/17/14 Moline-IWireless Center (No Code)
10/20/14 Milwaukee-Bradley center (Yield)
4/26/16 Lexington-Rupp Arena
8/20/16 Chicago-Wrigley Field
8/22/16 Chicago-Wrigley Field
8/18/18 Chicago-Wrigley Field
8/20/18 Chicago-Wrigley Field
9/5/23 Chicago-United Center
9/7/23 Chicago-United Center
Will you be giving a seminar for those of us without the skill set?
If I was replying to someone who would respond with 6 complainy paragraphs arguing with each of my tips? No.
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