Been to a few MSG shows. Always a great time but not markedly better than anywhere else. If anything, maybe there's a better chance of a big name special guest since you're in Manhattan vs Ottawa.
With all the problems in the world, somehow politicians and lobbyists cared about reselling tickets in New York and Colorado, and spent time changing the laws. Disgusting.
Been to a few MSG shows. Always a great time but not markedly better than anywhere else. If anything, maybe there's a better chance of a big name special guest since you're in Manhattan vs Ottawa.
As someone currently living in Ottawa, I can validate this. Even people living here don't want to be here as special guests.
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Been to a few MSG shows. Always a great time but not markedly better than anywhere else. If anything, maybe there's a better chance of a big name special guest since you're in Manhattan vs Ottawa.
As someone currently living in Ottawa, I can validate this. Even people living here don't want to be here as special guests.
Maybe Daniel Alfredsson will come out and play tambourine
Been to a few MSG shows. Always a great time but not markedly better than anywhere else. If anything, maybe there's a better chance of a big name special guest since you're in Manhattan vs Ottawa.
As someone currently living in Ottawa, I can validate this. Even people living here don't want to be here as special guests.
Special guests suck. The one and only exception was Neil jamming on rocking in Toronto. Besides that, blah.
detroit was a great show.the crowds don't always make for a great show. new jersey 2011 was an amazing show and the crowd sucked. its whats on the stage that counts. the rest is up to you. but its great when both are in sync(not the band)
Newark 2010 (I'm assuming that's what you mean) was the worst PJ crowd I've ever seen (Eddie even remarked on it a couple of times from the stage), and even though as I've listened back to the bootleg I can appreciate how good the band was, in the arena itself it was my least favorite show. I get why people like the setlist and the boot, but the lesson I took away from that night was that I should have just paid the $300 on StubHub to get into the Garden. Opinions may vary, but for me personally I care much more about how much fun the show is in the moment than how it looks on the setlist page or sounds on the bootleg. Maybe great crowds don't always make for great shows, but it's pretty hard to have a great show with a bad crowd.
All true. Those two msg shows crushed Newark, even Newark I’m had an insane setlist. I was at all 3.
Gonna listen to that bootleg now.
Jeez I really need to proof read. I still cannot type on my phone 🤦🏻♂️ Those 3 shows all have great boots.
It was strange that the crowd was so mellow. I would never have expected it. I recall the weather was terrible, my brother and I were exhausted from driving down from the Boston show that was amazing the night before.
If I had to guess, if the play Newark again, the crowds would likely be great.
I don't think that show sold out.
I was at the Newark show and the May MSG shows. i thought Newark was a great show, I remember GO sounded awesome to me. I did have more fun at MSG only because that was before renovations and our three seats were all separated but I knew of an area that there were seats but the seats weren't really seats and the three of us got away faking that it was our seats. LOL. at least i think that was the year. so many years and concerts. Good times LOL.
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Been to a few MSG shows. Always a great time but not markedly better than anywhere else. If anything, maybe there's a better chance of a big name special guest since you're in Manhattan vs Ottawa.
Yeah. I'm not crazy about the special guests. except maybe Dennis Rodman. lol
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Been to a few MSG shows. Always a great time but not markedly better than anywhere else. If anything, maybe there's a better chance of a big name special guest since you're in Manhattan vs Ottawa.
Agreed. I don't know exactly when in the last 10 years it became some mecca destination for people to see PJ at MSG but I think it gets overhyped. I've seen amazing PJ shows there, and very average ones. People are going to start getting far too great expectations about these shows and ultimately be disappointed on some level.
Agreed. I don't know exactly when in the last 10 years it became some mecca destination for people to see PJ at MSG but I think it gets overhyped. I've seen amazing PJ shows there, and very average ones. People are going to start getting far too great expectations about these shows and ultimately be disappointed on some level.
It’s hasn’t been the last 10 years! It’s been forever that MSG has been held in high regard by artists. Playing MSG means something. You have to achieve a certain level of success to pay there repeatedly. And the room has an incredible feel. It’s not sudden, random or all of a sudden.
Agreed. I don't know exactly when in the last 10 years it became some mecca destination for people to see PJ at MSG but I think it gets overhyped. I've seen amazing PJ shows there, and very average ones. People are going to start getting far too great expectations about these shows and ultimately be disappointed on some level.
It’s hasn’t been the last 10 years! It’s been forever that MSG has been held in high regard by artists. Playing MSG means something. You have to achieve a certain level of success to pay there repeatedly. And the room has an incredible feel. It’s not sudden, random or all of a sudden.
I never mentioned how artists feel about playing there. I'm very aware, I've lived here my whole life. I'm talking about the fans.
There's nothing on stubhub less than $400 and hardly any tickets period.
I sure hope you don't buy tickets from StubHub. Did you read the ticket rules? There will be no chance of transferring tickets unless you sell/buy through Ticketmaster's own Fan-to-Fan service. No tickets will be sold above face value unless you scalp your ticket to the person that is walking in with you on YOUR pair of tickets.
detroit was a great show.the crowds don't always make for a great show. new jersey 2011 was an amazing show and the crowd sucked. its whats on the stage that counts. the rest is up to you. but its great when both are in sync(not the band)
Newark 2010 (I'm assuming that's what you mean) was the worst PJ crowd I've ever seen (Eddie even remarked on it a couple of times from the stage), and even though as I've listened back to the bootleg I can appreciate how good the band was, in the arena itself it was my least favorite show. I get why people like the setlist and the boot, but the lesson I took away from that night was that I should have just paid the $300 on StubHub to get into the Garden. Opinions may vary, but for me personally I care much more about how much fun the show is in the moment than how it looks on the setlist page or sounds on the bootleg. Maybe great crowds don't always make for great shows, but it's pretty hard to have a great show with a bad crowd.
All true. Those two msg shows crushed Newark, even Newark I’m had an insane setlist. I was at all 3.
Gonna listen to that bootleg now.
Jeez I really need to proof read. I still cannot type on my phone 🤦🏻♂️ Those 3 shows all have great boots.
It was strange that the crowd was so mellow. I would never have expected it. I recall the weather was terrible, my brother and I were exhausted from driving down from the Boston show that was amazing the night before.
If I had to guess, if the play Newark again, the crowds would likely be great.
I don't think that show sold out.
I was at the Newark show and the May MSG shows. i thought Newark was a great show, I remember GO sounded awesome to me. I did have more fun at MSG only because that was before renovations and our three seats were all separated but I knew of an area that there were seats but the seats weren't really seats and the three of us got away faking that it was our seats. LOL. at least i think that was the year. so many years and concerts. Good times LOL.
I can confirm that the bootleg kicks ass, especially Go. I was listening to it on my train ride home and was so wrapped up in the encore that I missed my stop. Just barely made it back in time to pick up my kids.
But I still maintain that it was the worst Pearl Jam show I’ve seen, in terms of how much I enjoyed the concert while I was there. MSG 2 2016 was a pretty standard show (other than the guests) but the crowd was fantastic and I had way more fun.
There's nothing on stubhub less than $400 and hardly any tickets period.
I sure hope you don't buy tickets from StubHub. Did you read the ticket rules? There will be no chance of transferring tickets unless you sell/buy through Ticketmaster's own Fan-to-Fan service. No tickets will be sold above face value unless you scalp your ticket to the person that is walking in with you on YOUR pair of tickets.
Stubhub can sell Denver and NYC due to laws. If you choose to buy from them that’s up to you. But those are legit tickets.
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Been to a few MSG shows. Always a great time but not markedly better than anywhere else. If anything, maybe there's a better chance of a big name special guest since you're in Manhattan vs Ottawa.
Agreed. I don't know exactly when in the last 10 years it became some mecca destination for people to see PJ at MSG but I think it gets overhyped. I've seen amazing PJ shows there, and very average ones. People are going to start getting far too great expectations about these shows and ultimately be disappointed on some level.
I ve been to every pj show at msg and couldn’t agree more.
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Been to a few MSG shows. Always a great time but not markedly better than anywhere else. If anything, maybe there's a better chance of a big name special guest since you're in Manhattan vs Ottawa.
Agreed. I don't know exactly when in the last 10 years it became some mecca destination for people to see PJ at MSG but I think it gets overhyped. I've seen amazing PJ shows there, and very average ones. People are going to start getting far too great expectations about these shows and ultimately be disappointed on some level.
It goes back to 1998... the second show was declared the best Pearl Jam show ever by 5 Horizons, which was huge website back then. Ever since then it’s been on many people’s bucket list. It didn’t start 10 years ago.
09/11/98 – Madison Square Garden: New York, NY[130m] support act: Ben Harper set: Release, Hail Hail, Animal, Even Flow, Given to Fly, Corduroy, MFC, Habit, Faithfull, Daughter/(Beginning to See the Light)/(WMA), Wishlist, Nothingman, Immortality, RVM, Brain of J, Black, Do the Evolution enc 1: Breath, State of Love and Trust, Off He Goes, Leatherman, Better Man/(Save it for Later), Mankind, Baba O’Riley enc 2: Indifference (with Ben Harper), Alive notes: Returning for the encore and yet another sea of “Breath” signs on ever single level of the Garden, Ed tells the crowd they are never satisfied:
“You fucking cocksuckers. [shakes head] You fucking bitch! You know, we come up here as a collective band and we give and we give and you just fucking want more … and you know what? You deserve it. This is like some kind of organized religion here; I’ve never seen anything like it. Do you see what’s happening? … the third night in a row, right? [applause] Well, fuck you. We’re gonna play it!”
leading to the first playing of ‘Breath’ since 1994!!! woo hoo!!! With a brief announcement (“same record, different track”), they follow with ‘SoL&T.’ ‘Mankind’ is introduced by Stone saying, “Well, since we’re playing every song in the catalog…” ‘Baba’ is intro’d as being a response to “corporate rock bands who make the mistake of trying to cover a real rock song.” ‘Indifference’ is played with an ecstatic Ben Harper (who has been including ‘Indifference’ at some of his shows). During ‘Alive,’ Ed makes four attempts to toss his microphone over the vocal monitor rig above his head, and finally gets it over, but instead of just standing there, he proceeds to CLIMB UP THE MIC CORD and hang there for the rest of the song. Possibly the best show the band has ever played in their life. Period. (And they knew it, too.)
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detroit was a great show.the crowds don't always make for a great show. new jersey 2011 was an amazing show and the crowd sucked. its whats on the stage that counts. the rest is up to you. but its great when both are in sync(not the band)
Newark 2010 (I'm assuming that's what you mean) was the worst PJ crowd I've ever seen (Eddie even remarked on it a couple of times from the stage), and even though as I've listened back to the bootleg I can appreciate how good the band was, in the arena itself it was my least favorite show. I get why people like the setlist and the boot, but the lesson I took away from that night was that I should have just paid the $300 on StubHub to get into the Garden. Opinions may vary, but for me personally I care much more about how much fun the show is in the moment than how it looks on the setlist page or sounds on the bootleg. Maybe great crowds don't always make for great shows, but it's pretty hard to have a great show with a bad crowd.
I had a GREAT time at the Newark show. I didn't pay attention to what anyone else was doing. It was just me and my PJ bud rocking out. Only later did I realize it was considered underwhelming by a fan perspective.
detroit was a great show.the crowds don't always make for a great show. new jersey 2011 was an amazing show and the crowd sucked. its whats on the stage that counts. the rest is up to you. but its great when both are in sync(not the band)
Newark 2010 (I'm assuming that's what you mean) was the worst PJ crowd I've ever seen (Eddie even remarked on it a couple of times from the stage), and even though as I've listened back to the bootleg I can appreciate how good the band was, in the arena itself it was my least favorite show. I get why people like the setlist and the boot, but the lesson I took away from that night was that I should have just paid the $300 on StubHub to get into the Garden. Opinions may vary, but for me personally I care much more about how much fun the show is in the moment than how it looks on the setlist page or sounds on the bootleg. Maybe great crowds don't always make for great shows, but it's pretty hard to have a great show with a bad crowd.
I had a GREAT time at the Newark show. I didn't pay attention to what anyone else was doing. It was just me and my PJ bud rocking out. Only later did I realize it was considered underwhelming by a fan perspective.
It’s understandable that you didn’t notice what anyone else was doing, since everyone else in the arena was sitting still and being quiet.
Been to a few MSG shows. Always a great time but not markedly better than anywhere else. If anything, maybe there's a better chance of a big name special guest since you're in Manhattan vs Ottawa.
Agreed. I don't know exactly when in the last 10 years it became some mecca destination for people to see PJ at MSG but I think it gets overhyped. I've seen amazing PJ shows there, and very average ones. People are going to start getting far too great expectations about these shows and ultimately be disappointed on some level.
I ve been to every pj show at msg and couldn’t agree more.
Agreed - seen the NY shows as well, actually have always preferred places like Hartford over the hassle of the major markets. The outrage on these boards, due to the level of entitlement, will be at an all time high when those that paid $500+ on the secondary market get Sirens, Fixer and Last Kiss in the same night. Although if you asked folks in far off lands that only get a chance to see their favorite band once every decade they certainly would love our "problems" over here in the States.
Back to the original post I think NY screwed NY. They have an anti-scalping law which limits profit to 10%, but at the same time they have laws where people are entitled to physical tickets. People can buy/sell tickets without ever stepping foot into the state, make the 10% rule kind of pointless.
It's pretty night and day between the states whose laws permitted TM/PJ to restrict the tickets vs. the ones that didn't.
This explains the minimum of 25,000 msg fans with a buying capacity of 100,000 tickets waiting on TM que 10 minutes before the onsale? That's more tickets than what was sold for the 4 non sellouts easily.
PJ restricting ticket sales to all their shows, plus decisions to not look at their audience per capita when they plan their itinerary, has an immense impact on availability and prices
Back to the original post I think NY screwed NY. They have an anti-scalping law which limits profit to 10%, but at the same time they have laws where people are entitled to physical tickets. People can buy/sell tickets without ever stepping foot into the state, make the 10% rule kind of pointless.
It's pretty night and day between the states whose laws permitted TM/PJ to restrict the tickets vs. the ones that didn't.
This explains the minimum of 25,000 msg fans with a buying capacity of 100,000 tickets waiting on TM que 10 minutes before the onsale? That's more tickets than what was sold for the 4 non sellouts easily.
PJ restricting ticket sales to all their shows, plus decisions to not look at their audience per capita when they plan their itinerary, has an immense impact on availability and prices
I keep saying this, there has to be a good reason for this?
This explains the minimum of 25,000 msg fans with a buying capacity of 100,000 tickets waiting on TM que 10 minutes before the onsale? That's more tickets than what was sold for the 4 non sellouts easily.
PJ restricting ticket sales to all their shows, plus decisions to not look at their audience per capita when they plan their itinerary, has an immense impact on availability and prices
I mentioned this in a previous post but I would estimate that 30 million people live within comfortable driving distance of Baltimore, NYC, Toronto. Even if only a million of those people are interested in the band, that's still a lot of people trying to snap up 60k tickets spread over three shows. Its doesn't account for fans with spouse accounts who are trying to increase their odds, people trying for multiple shows,people willing to fly from further away and brokers.
I think we are at a point in the band's career where audience per capita would barely be a consideration when choosing dates. They are going to sell out or close to at any city/venue they choose. I think it comes down to interest of the band in any given city, ease of travel once the handful of cities have been chosen and how many shows they are willing to do at any given time.
IF the band does a fall leg, I feel like it would at most be 15 shows (I personally think they will opt for a couple of fall ball park shows) which would put them at about 45 shows for the year which by recent standards is SUPER high. These guys are in their 50's, have growing families, this is semi-retirement for them. They know a lot of fans will travel to get to a show nearest them if they have to. I'm sure they wish every fan could come to every show but its not realistic and I would imagine they aren't spending much of their time worrying about it.
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Back to the original post I think NY screwed NY. They have an anti-scalping law which limits profit to 10%, but at the same time they have laws where people are entitled to physical tickets. People can buy/sell tickets without ever stepping foot into the state, make the 10% rule kind of pointless.
It's pretty night and day between the states whose laws permitted TM/PJ to restrict the tickets vs. the ones that didn't.
This explains the minimum of 25,000 msg fans with a buying capacity of 100,000 tickets waiting on TM que 10 minutes before the onsale? That's more tickets than what was sold for the 4 non sellouts easily.
PJ restricting ticket sales to all their shows, plus decisions to not look at their audience per capita when they plan their itinerary, has an immense impact on availability and prices
I keep saying this, there has to be a good reason for this?
Festival upcoming? More shows to be added?
Or is it just scheduling conflicts with the basketball tournaments? If they're faced with one show or skipping it entirely do they just say one show it is?
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Agreed. I don't know exactly when in the last 10 years it became some mecca destination for people to see PJ at MSG but I think it gets overhyped. I've seen amazing PJ shows there, and very average ones. People are going to start getting far too great expectations about these shows and ultimately be disappointed on some level.
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09/11/98 – Madison Square Garden: New York, NY[130m]
support act: Ben Harper
set: Release, Hail Hail, Animal, Even Flow, Given to Fly, Corduroy, MFC, Habit, Faithfull, Daughter/(Beginning to See the Light)/(WMA), Wishlist, Nothingman, Immortality, RVM, Brain of J, Black, Do the Evolution
enc 1: Breath, State of Love and Trust, Off He Goes, Leatherman, Better Man/(Save it for Later), Mankind, Baba O’Riley
enc 2: Indifference (with Ben Harper), Alive
notes: Returning for the encore and yet another sea of “Breath” signs on ever single level of the Garden, Ed tells the crowd they are never satisfied:
leading to the first playing of ‘Breath’ since 1994!!! woo hoo!!! With a brief announcement (“same record, different track”), they follow with ‘SoL&T.’ ‘Mankind’ is introduced by Stone saying, “Well, since we’re playing every song in the catalog…” ‘Baba’ is intro’d as being a response to “corporate rock bands who make the mistake of trying to cover a real rock song.” ‘Indifference’ is played with an ecstatic Ben Harper (who has been including ‘Indifference’ at some of his shows). During ‘Alive,’ Ed makes four attempts to toss his microphone over the vocal monitor rig above his head, and finally gets it over, but instead of just standing there, he proceeds to CLIMB UP THE MIC CORD and hang there for the rest of the song. Possibly the best show the band has ever played in their life. Period. (And they knew it, too.)
There is an overhyped perception that every show in Boston, Chicago, New York and Philly are great because of loud voices screaming they are great.
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They dont believe in playing for 3 million person market that is adjacent to an 8 million market.
This explains the minimum of 25,000 msg fans with a buying capacity of 100,000 tickets waiting on TM que 10 minutes before the onsale? That's more tickets than what was sold for the 4 non sellouts easily.
PJ restricting ticket sales to all their shows, plus decisions to not look at their audience per capita when they plan their itinerary, has an immense impact on availability and prices
Festival upcoming? More shows to be added?
I think we are at a point in the band's career where audience per capita would barely be a consideration when choosing dates. They are going to sell out or close to at any city/venue they choose. I think it comes down to interest of the band in any given city, ease of travel once the handful of cities have been chosen and how many shows they are willing to do at any given time.
IF the band does a fall leg, I feel like it would at most be 15 shows (I personally think they will opt for a couple of fall ball park shows) which would put them at about 45 shows for the year which by recent standards is SUPER high. These guys are in their 50's, have growing families, this is semi-retirement for them. They know a lot of fans will travel to get to a show nearest them if they have to. I'm sure they wish every fan could come to every show but its not realistic and I would imagine they aren't spending much of their time worrying about it.
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