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You also might want to check with cancer patients.ecdanc said:
Repeating yourself doesn’t make it less offensive.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Because of your use of the word “natural.”brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Who got negative? I mean, the end of your post is pretty offensive, but I didn’t see anything before that.brianlux said:Two minutes into a new thread and it goes negative. Hmmm. I guess some people just need to be negative, negative, negative.Personally, I don't care what people want to be- straight, gay, bi, tri, transgender- whatever. It's your body, nobody should have the right to say what you do with it. What I don't understand is why people would go through medical procedures to alter their body- removing something, adding something. Not that I don't think people should have the choice to do that- I just don't get it. I guess it has something so do with me being a natural man. I think being homosexual is natural. I don't think having a penisectomy is.
Why do you categorize my personal feelings as offensive when all I said was how I personally see something? I didn't say anything should be prohibited. I have two friends who are transgender and going through physical changes. I care a lot for these people and would stand up for them 100%. I just don't understand what they are doing. Sorry you're offended.
Like I said, I think homosexuality is natural. And it is. But unless you are a wild animal with it's leg caught in a trap, removing a part of one's body is not natural. That's just simple fact. Can you deal with that? Why would that be deemed offensive?0 -
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Nope. Just want to point out that your certainty you aren’t being offensive has little to do with how offensive you’re being. You’re calling trans people unnatural, which is linked quite directly to a long historical line of prejudice.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Repeating yourself doesn’t make it less offensive.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Because of your use of the word “natural.”brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Who got negative? I mean, the end of your post is pretty offensive, but I didn’t see anything before that.brianlux said:Two minutes into a new thread and it goes negative. Hmmm. I guess some people just need to be negative, negative, negative.Personally, I don't care what people want to be- straight, gay, bi, tri, transgender- whatever. It's your body, nobody should have the right to say what you do with it. What I don't understand is why people would go through medical procedures to alter their body- removing something, adding something. Not that I don't think people should have the choice to do that- I just don't get it. I guess it has something so do with me being a natural man. I think being homosexual is natural. I don't think having a penisectomy is.
Why do you categorize my personal feelings as offensive when all I said was how I personally see something? I didn't say anything should be prohibited. I have two friends who are transgender and going through physical changes. I care a lot for these people and would stand up for them 100%. I just don't understand what they are doing. Sorry you're offended.
Like I said, I think homosexuality is natural. And it is. But unless you are a wild animal with it's leg caught in a trap, removing a part of one's body is not natural. That's just simple fact. Can you deal with that? Why would that be deemed offensive?
OK, I get it. You just want to dance. No thanks, I'm out.
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Post edited by brianlux on"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I understand if you don't want to engage, so I'll just post this response more for others who might come across this thread. For centuries, religious, scientific, and political discourses have used the label "unnatural" as a method for dehumanizing marginalized peoples. At its core, this discursive move locates the "unnatural" individual has one who a) quite literally should not exist; or b) should not be permitted to do certain things (e.g., miscegenation laws; sodomy laws; etc.). So, while I do believe you care for your trans friends, I'd like to think that you--and others in the same position--can move beyond embracing the marginalized people you know, to consider the implications of what you say and do for those you don't know. Because there's a great deal of hate directed at trans people these days and, while I do not necessarily think you purposefully engage in that hate, your speech/views here are linked quite explicitly to the speech/views of those who do.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Nope. Just want to point out that your certainty you aren’t being offensive has little to do with how offensive you’re being. You’re calling trans people unnatural, which is linked quite directly to a long historical line of prejudice.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Repeating yourself doesn’t make it less offensive.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Because of your use of the word “natural.”brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Who got negative? I mean, the end of your post is pretty offensive, but I didn’t see anything before that.brianlux said:Two minutes into a new thread and it goes negative. Hmmm. I guess some people just need to be negative, negative, negative.Personally, I don't care what people want to be- straight, gay, bi, tri, transgender- whatever. It's your body, nobody should have the right to say what you do with it. What I don't understand is why people would go through medical procedures to alter their body- removing something, adding something. Not that I don't think people should have the choice to do that- I just don't get it. I guess it has something so do with me being a natural man. I think being homosexual is natural. I don't think having a penisectomy is.
Why do you categorize my personal feelings as offensive when all I said was how I personally see something? I didn't say anything should be prohibited. I have two friends who are transgender and going through physical changes. I care a lot for these people and would stand up for them 100%. I just don't understand what they are doing. Sorry you're offended.
Like I said, I think homosexuality is natural. And it is. But unless you are a wild animal with it's leg caught in a trap, removing a part of one's body is not natural. That's just simple fact. Can you deal with that? Why would that be deemed offensive?
OK, I get it. You just want to dance. No thanks, I'm out.I guess you missed the point about my having two friends who are trans, both of whom I would defend 100%. But you just want to argue and berate me which, although that doesn't hurt my feelings, leaves me with the sense that this is useless and pointless. I won't go around in circles with you.OK, sorry, I did say I'm done, so have the last word and I'm outta here.0 -
Vilification-free zone hereecdanc said:
Am I the vilifier or the vilified here?hedonist said:Well, my feelings on that may differ from yours but I sure as shit won’t vilify you for them.
And for what it's worth (disclaimer: un-brian related!), I like the gist of your last post. I knew a fella years ago who was beginning the transition...this was the late '80's, with all of the prejudices and vitriol toward those with AIDS...so there was much misunderstanding - or, rather, a kind of unwillingness to try to understand.
It broke my heart.
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I have a cousin who son has transitioned into a female...I was at a funeral and I thought she was his daughter...he has a daughter and son...now 2 daughters. Al I can say is she was quite stunning. No one would ever know she used to be a he...Give Peas A Chance…0
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She is his daughter.Meltdown99 said:I have a cousin who son has transitioned into a female...I was at a funeral and I thought she was his daughter...he has a daughter and son...now 2 daughters. Al I can say is she was quite stunning. No one would ever know she used to be a he...0 -
Dude you continue to go around and try to find fault with others. Read it again. He called her his daughter. His first statement was going from the standpoint of what he knew before that...that the guy had a daughter and a son.ecdanc said:
She is his daughter.Meltdown99 said:I have a cousin who son has transitioned into a female...I was at a funeral and I thought she was his daughter...he has a daughter and son...now 2 daughters. Al I can say is she was quite stunning. No one would ever know she used to be a he...
"now 2 daughters".... he was respectful. No need to go around and try to catch people making small errors, especially when it's not even true.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I’m a lizard...just haven’t transitioned yet. Anyone who calls me a human is a bigot that doesn’t understand shit.0
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I don't know what to say to this other than...words matter. Privileging his former perspective over her current identity is a microaggression. No, it's not a hugely offensive statement, but it's not ideal either. His last sentence, on the other hand, is a little more problematic.cincybearcat said:
Dude you continue to go around and try to find fault with others. Read it again. He called her his daughter. His first statement was going from the standpoint of what he knew before that...that the guy had a daughter and a son.ecdanc said:
She is his daughter.Meltdown99 said:I have a cousin who son has transitioned into a female...I was at a funeral and I thought she was his daughter...he has a daughter and son...now 2 daughters. Al I can say is she was quite stunning. No one would ever know she used to be a he...
"now 2 daughters".... he was respectful. No need to go around and try to catch people making small errors, especially when it's not even true.0 -
Woke gone wild... Save your ammo for aggression, not micro ones.0
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Right and I'm saying read the words, cause you were so ready to blast someone for not using the right word you didn't bother to see he already did. And you didn't stop to see what he was saying in the context he was saying it.ecdanc said:
I don't know what to say to this other than...words matter. Privileging his former perspective over her current identity is a microaggression. No, it's not a hugely offensive statement, but it's not ideal either. His last sentence, on the other hand, is a little more problematic.cincybearcat said:
Dude you continue to go around and try to find fault with others. Read it again. He called her his daughter. His first statement was going from the standpoint of what he knew before that...that the guy had a daughter and a son.ecdanc said:
She is his daughter.Meltdown99 said:I have a cousin who son has transitioned into a female...I was at a funeral and I thought she was his daughter...he has a daughter and son...now 2 daughters. Al I can say is she was quite stunning. No one would ever know she used to be a he...
"now 2 daughters".... he was respectful. No need to go around and try to catch people making small errors, especially when it's not even true.hippiemom = goodness0 -
PC Principal is going to stifle discussion on this topic, so i'm out."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Honestly I would love to have some open discussions on this. I feel like a supporter, but I know there are parts of the issue I do not understand and likely do not talk about correctly. I always find it disheartening when people trying to get people to understand thinks they already should understand 100%.gimmesometruth27 said:PC Principal is going to stifle discussion on this topic, so i'm out.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Do you really want to understand? I literally JUST explained to you why his comments troubled me. I did not blast him at all; I corrected him. I'm happy to explain in more detail why what he said is problematic, but I don't think you want to hear.cincybearcat said:
Honestly I would love to have some open discussions on this. I feel like a supporter, but I know there are parts of the issue I do not understand and likely do not talk about correctly. I always find it disheartening when people trying to get people to understand thinks they already should understand 100%.gimmesometruth27 said:PC Principal is going to stifle discussion on this topic, so i'm out.0 -
I don't need you to help me on that one I got it. He called the women his daughter. You nitpicked a sentence where he wasn't saying what you think he was saying. You aren't a help in this discussion it seems.ecdanc said:
Do you really want to understand? I literally JUST explained to you why his comments troubled me. I did not blast him at all; I corrected him. I'm happy to explain in more detail why what he said is problematic, but I don't think you want to hear.cincybearcat said:
Honestly I would love to have some open discussions on this. I feel like a supporter, but I know there are parts of the issue I do not understand and likely do not talk about correctly. I always find it disheartening when people trying to get people to understand thinks they already should understand 100%.gimmesometruth27 said:PC Principal is going to stifle discussion on this topic, so i'm out.hippiemom = goodness0 -
See, this is the thing: your default position is "I already know this." That's not the sign of someone who wants to learn.cincybearcat said:
I don't need you to help me on that one I got it. He called the women his daughter. You nitpicked a sentence where he wasn't saying what you think he was saying. You aren't a help in this discussion it seems.ecdanc said:
Do you really want to understand? I literally JUST explained to you why his comments troubled me. I did not blast him at all; I corrected him. I'm happy to explain in more detail why what he said is problematic, but I don't think you want to hear.cincybearcat said:
Honestly I would love to have some open discussions on this. I feel like a supporter, but I know there are parts of the issue I do not understand and likely do not talk about correctly. I always find it disheartening when people trying to get people to understand thinks they already should understand 100%.gimmesometruth27 said:PC Principal is going to stifle discussion on this topic, so i'm out.0 -
At the risk of beating a dead horse (a VERY dead horse at this point), "open discussions" are very difficult to have until we can at very least stop framing things in ways that--unintentional as it may be--belittle the marginalized group under discussion. Without reaching that point, we're asking the marginalized group to perpetually "be the bigger person," as they try to educate others about things that are often academic exercises to the purported learners, while being daily struggles for the teachers.ecdanc said:
See, this is the thing: your default position is "I already know this." That's not the sign of someone who wants to learn.cincybearcat said:
I don't need you to help me on that one I got it. He called the women his daughter. You nitpicked a sentence where he wasn't saying what you think he was saying. You aren't a help in this discussion it seems.ecdanc said:
Do you really want to understand? I literally JUST explained to you why his comments troubled me. I did not blast him at all; I corrected him. I'm happy to explain in more detail why what he said is problematic, but I don't think you want to hear.cincybearcat said:
Honestly I would love to have some open discussions on this. I feel like a supporter, but I know there are parts of the issue I do not understand and likely do not talk about correctly. I always find it disheartening when people trying to get people to understand thinks they already should understand 100%.gimmesometruth27 said:PC Principal is going to stifle discussion on this topic, so i'm out.0
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