The coronavirus

mcgruff10

I mean I know hindsight is 20/20 and no one could predict what COVID would do to the world but I would expect a little different of a reaction from the President:

"Mr. President, I've got to tell you something," Azar told Trump during a mid-January 2020 phone call, before COVID-19 broke out across the country and forced officials to impose lockdowns. "There's this new virus out of China that could be extremely dangerous. It could be the kind of thing we have been preparing for and worried about."

Azar then relayed to Trump that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had started to screen travelers from China to the US but that additional safety measures probably needed to be taken to mitigate potential spread of the virus, per the book.

"Yeah, okay," Trump replied, seemingly unconvinced of the threat. Then he hung up the phone.

Azar, then the head of the Health and Human Services Department, failed to get through to the president. He had been on shaky ground with Trump, who was still upset over a recent health policy that banned most flavored electronic cigarettes. The move had angered Trump's base, and the president thought it would cost him his reelection, according to the book.

The Post journalists reported that Azar "could barely get a word in before Trump started shouting" at him over e-cigarettes during that January phone call.

That same month, Trump dismissed Azar's advice on another occasion, according to the book. Trump wanted to send a tweet praising Chinese President Xi Jinping on the pandemic, though Azar begged him not to.

"For the love of God, don't do that," he told the president, per the book. But Trump went ahead and tweeted.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-said-yeah-okay-hung-161026568.html

cblock4life

gvn2fly1421 said:

cblock4life said:

I said it before, this thing finds the unvaccinated (we need something soon for our under 12 children).  Sooner or later it’s going to get to those who are unvaccinated because it will have no where else to go…sea correct.….”far from over” so just let time and karma do it’s thing (not against children of course). 

And for those who aren’t vaccinated but are appalled with the indigenous issue in Canada, you’re not helping any children right now are you? I’m confused that you don’t see you may be hurting children.

Completely sane, normal response here.  To be clear, you are saying you want "time and karma" to "do it's thing" against the unvaxxed?  Could you imagine if I said the same about people and the vaccine?  Sheesh, get a grip.

It’s time the vaccinated stop worrying about the unvaccinated ADULTS. CDC said last night we’re wearing masks to protect the unvaccinated and children now. 

I have a grip on reality whereas you, yours and those like you are delusional thinking the world is making this shit up….it’s laughable.  Read the news, karma is hitting the unvaccinated everyday and go ahead and say it to the vaccinated but unlike my written truth yours will be false. You should get a grip on reality….or you will suffer the consequences.  Bet you think the worlds still flat too.I feel bad for you but it’s getting exhausting listening to your constant whining and lying, not you specifically but those who share your delusions. Other platforms/forums don’t allow false political or medical untruths….I don’t know why this forum allows it. We agree sometimes but I’m sorry….you’re just not making sense when it comes to this virus. 

mickeyrat

 

Donald Trump TX State Wire Border security Texas Airlines Coronavirus pandemic Trending News Government and politics

GOP congressman flouts mask rules on airline flight to Texas

By MICHAEL BIESECKER

Today

WASHINGTON (AP) — A Texas congressman who has been an outspoken critic of COVID-19 mask mandates went without a mask for at least a portion of a commercial airline flight Tuesday evening, an apparent violation of federal law.

Republican Rep. Chip Roy flew from Washington back to his home district in Austin to attend a border security event held Wednesday with former President Donald Trump.

The Associated Press was provided a photo and a nearly three-minute video from a Southwest Airlines flight showing a bare-faced Roy chatting with fellow passengers while standing in the aisle of the plane. The video and a photo were provided to the AP on the condition of anonymity by another passenger.

Roy is listed as a co-sponsor on a GOP-backed bill introduced in Congress last week that seeks to bar federal authorities from requiring masks to be worn on commercial airliners or in airports, as well as other transportation hubs such as train and bus stations.

His staff did not respond to multiple calls and emails seeking comment Wednesday, including questions about whether the congressman had been vaccinated.

Roy was issued a formal warning by congressional leaders in May after he and a handful of other Republicans refused to wear masks on the House floor, as then required by the chamber’s rules. In a May 18 tweet, Roy said his refusal was to wear a mask was a protest “to stand up for every student and every hard working American wanting the insanity to end.”

Democratic leaders later relaxed the mask mandate on Capitol Hill after the Centers for Disease Control changed its guidance last month to say it's safe for vaccinated adults to go without a mask when indoors in most circumstances.

Masks are still required by federal law on commercial aircraft and in all indoor spaces at airports for everyone older than 2 years of age. Those who fail to mask up on planes are subject to civil fines, ranging from $250 for the first offense and up to $1,500 for repeat offenders. Most U.S. airlines also prominently include mask wearing as a requirement in their written terms of service when passengers purchase tickets, with verbal reminders issued during boarding and safety briefings. Those who refuse can be denied service and removed.

A Southwest spokesperson said in an email Wednesday the airline couldn’t comment on details involving individual passengers, but no “irregularity reports” were generated from the specific flight the congressman was filmed on.

The Transportation Security Administration is responsible for enforcing COVID-19 safety restrictions of commercial aircraft. Agency spokesperson Sarah Rodriguez reiterated that airline passengers are still required to wear masks on planes and in airports, though she did not respond to specific questions about the congressman's failure to wear one.

Last year, after Roy was exposed to a fellow GOP congressman who then tested positive for COVID-19, he declined to self-quarantine and said he wasn’t worried about catching the virus.

In a July 2020 interview with CNN, Roy questioned the effectiveness of mask wearing for preventing the spread of the virus, especially during “interactions with perfect strangers on an airplane with circulating air.”

“With cotton masks on an airplane, where everybody is pretending like they’re doing something noble to try to save people from a virus on a cylinder with 50 people on it flying through the air,” Roy said in the interview. “My question to you all is how are people wearing a cotton mask on an airplane saving you from circulating virus on an airplane?”

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Associated Press reporter Jill Colvin contributed from Pharr, Texas.

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Follow Associated Press Investigative Reporter Michael Biesecker at http://twitter.com/mbieseck

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Contact AP’s global investigative team at Investigative@ap.org

Zod

America does seem to be on a conundrum (and it's something that could happen up here in Canada too) where not enough people get the vaccine to create herd immunity.  Which means the virus will never stop spreading, but those with vaccines will mostly not get the virus, or if it breaks through milder cases of it.

At which point do you hit the "there's nothing else we can do line"?   I don't think people are going to put with up measures, masks, indefinitely.

gvn2fly1421

Everything I have read regarding the variants, the more variants the more contagious, however the less lethal. 

Is this an agreed upon stance here?

mickeyrat

gvn2fly1421 said:

Everything I have read regarding the variants, the more variants the more contagious, however the less lethal. 

Is this an agreed upon stance here?

you HAVE to factor in rate of vaccinations here as these emerged and showed up here.

gvn2fly1421

mickeyrat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Everything I have read regarding the variants, the more variants the more contagious, however the less lethal. 

Is this an agreed upon stance here?

you HAVE to factor in rate of vaccinations here as these emerged and showed up here.

Meh, not necessarily.  This England study of Delta shows 44 deaths out of 53,822 people who were not vaccinated.  Page 13.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/997418/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf

Merkin Baller

mickeyrat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Everything I have read regarding the variants, the more variants the more contagious, however the less lethal. 

Is this an agreed upon stance here?

you HAVE to factor in rate of vaccinations here as these emerged and showed up here.

Only if interested in having a conversation in good faith, which... you know.  

cblock4life

Zod said:

America does seem to be on a conundrum (and it's something that could happen up here in Canada too) where not enough people get the vaccine to create herd immunity.  Which means the virus will never stop spreading, but those with vaccines will mostly not get the virus, or if it breaks through milder cases of it.

At which point do you hit the "there's nothing else we can do line"?   I don't think people are going to put with up measures, masks, indefinitely.

I’m not changing the subject just making a comparison and a point 

“At which point do you hit the "there's nothing else we can do line"?”

Minorities ask themselves this question everyday about racism.  It’s been 400+ years for them yet they still fight on but us white people can’t wear a mask for a year let alone indefinitely.  

Meltdown99

gvn2fly1421 said:

mickeyrat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Everything I have read regarding the variants, the more variants the more contagious, however the less lethal. 

Is this an agreed upon stance here?

you HAVE to factor in rate of vaccinations here as these emerged and showed up here.

Meh, not necessarily.  This England study of Delta shows 44 deaths out of 53,822 people who were not vaccinated.  Page 13.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/997418/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf

Here’s a fucking idea…take the vaccine or don’t take the vaccine…nobody fucking cares about your opinion…but why continue to hijack this thread with your fucking nonsense.  Go get a fucking life.  No one is going to strap you down and inject you with a vaccine…jeesh.  

lastexitlondon

At this point im sure he is trying to get people triggered  and banned.

mfc2006

lastexitlondon said:

At this point im sure he is trying to get people triggered  and banned.

It certainly seems that way.

oftenreading

In actual covid-related news, Canada has hit a milestone of sorts - Canada has surpassed the US in vaccine doses administered per capita, at 99 per 100 people compared to the US's 98 per 100 people. The pattern of vaccine distribution continues to be different, with the US having 54% of the total population with at least one dose and 47% fully vaccinated, while in Canada it's 68% of the total population with at least one dose (77.5% of the eligible population, over 12s) and 31% fully vaccinated (35% of eligible population).

Internationally, UAE tops the charts with 156 doses per 100 people provided, Israel and Chile tied at 119 and the UK at 116 per 100. 

And of course there is a long list of countries who have vaccinated a very tiny percentage of their population, many of which are sub-Saharan African nations. The status of the Covax program is complicated and roll out has been fraught with problems, but may improve soon as the wealthier nations either get to their vaccine targets or find they have run out of people who want to be vaccinated. 

oftenreading

Closer to home, in BC as of today masks are no longer mandatory in most situations indoors (though still required on public transit) but individual businesses can require masks. 

oftenreading

The UK is starting to plan for a booster vaccination program as early as September, targeted at the over-70s and immunocompromised individuals. It's not yet clear if this is even needed, but it's possible that immunity may wane by then in people without a robust immune system. 

cincybearcat

mickeyrat said:

yep masks do nothing.

I mean just look at last flu seasons numbers ffs.

jack shit for benefit..

mic drop

gvn2fly1421

gvn2fly1421 said:

Everything I have read regarding the variants, the more variants the more contagious, however the less lethal. 

Is this an agreed upon stance here?

So, 10 or so replies since this post and not one disagreement.  As the virus mutates, it becomes more contagious and less deadly.  Glad we all agree on that.

The question becomes, why is our President sending a message like this knowing it is false?

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1408034982556274688

And why do we have a need for a response team for Delta?

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1410642845187383297

cincybearcat

gvn2fly1421 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Everything I have read regarding the variants, the more variants the more contagious, however the less lethal. 

Is this an agreed upon stance here?

So, 10 or so replies since this post and not one disagreement.  As the virus mutates, it becomes more contagious and less deadly.  Glad we all agree on that.

The question becomes, why is our President sending a message like this knowing it is false?

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1408034982556274688

And why do we have a need for a response team for Delta?

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1410642845187383297

You really shouldn't take it that way.  Just people have learned to ignore you some.  

CM189191

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Everything I have read regarding the variants, the more variants the more contagious, however the less lethal. 

Is this an agreed upon stance here?

So, 10 or so replies since this post and not one disagreement.  As the virus mutates, it becomes more contagious and less deadly.  Glad we all agree on that.

The question becomes, why is our President sending a message like this knowing it is false?

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1408034982556274688

And why do we have a need for a response team for Delta?

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1410642845187383297

You really shouldn't take it that way.  Just people have learned to ignore you some.  

+1

Merkin Baller

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