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Trump was in office 48 months, but agreed, the worst was pandemic management.gvn2fly1421 said:I've said it before and I will say it again, the damage done during this past 16 months is going to take years to repair..0 -
Hey given to try, how do you propose running herd when we know folks can be asymptomatic and protecting those vulnerable populations you mention? Sound POOTWH logic right there, straight from the hollow. You living your life and booked that family vacation to India and/or Brazil yet? Or are you afraid of the other (insert LK locker room scene here)?gvn2fly1421 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done.tempo_n_groove said:
Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred? I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million. Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?HughFreakingDillon said:
like I said, if humanity were smart and actually worked together (which includes the things you mentioned), but we don't. ever.tbergs said:
In a vacuum, yes, but not with so many people lacking basic human needs like food, water and shelter just to survive everyday. No way we would have stopped the spread due to healthcare and EMS needs alone. It would have been a slow trickle for far too long. I think we found a good middle ground with the restricted lockdowns and then limited services approach. It wasn't perfect and masking could have been implemented earlier, but then again, that could have created a shortage in the supply chain for healthcare before they could manage the early stage outbreaks. It's easy to be critical in hindsight.HughFreakingDillon said:
if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done.tempo_n_groove said:
Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred? I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million. Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?
So I mention herd immunity, protecting the elderly, staying home if sick or symptomatic is the way I would have handled this thing. Still get shit over saying that, mainly by my buddy MaxiPad who just cannot seem to let it go, YET here we have Hugh doubling, nay, tripling down on the thought that we could have eradicated the virus by locking ourselves in our homes for three weeks and get's little resistance. Makes perfect sense.HughFreakingDillon said:
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.oftenreading said:The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
too many stupid people.
What's that? He quadrupled down?!?!HughFreakingDillon said:
I didn't miss your point. even with all the moving parts, I still think it could have been achieved. But it doesn't matter. we have the vaccine and I'm very grateful.oftenreading said:
No, you’ve missed my point. Even with the best cooperation in the world there are too many services that need to be provided that require people to be moving around and interacting with others. Total lockdown and separation is not possible in a very practical way.HughFreakingDillon said:
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.oftenreading said:The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
too many stupid people.Why are you critical of Nancy? She’s not an “expert” and she’s just living her life. Isn’t that what you’ve been advocating for all along? Is it because she’s a woman, a lib or yields power? Or all three? Boo!
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The damage from reading your posts is even more difficult to overcome and there’s no cure. Sigh.gvn2fly1421 said:I've said it before and I will say it again, the damage done during this past 16 months is going to take years to repair..09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Random people on Twitter are overly cautious. Could there be anything more damaging to our country? Doubtful.Halifax2TheMax said:
The damage from reading your posts is even more difficult to overcome and there’s no cure. Sigh.gvn2fly1421 said:I've said it before and I will say it again, the damage done during this past 16 months is going to take years to repair..0 -
herd immunity would have killed millions more than it has. logic, again, eludes you.gvn2fly1421 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done.tempo_n_groove said:
Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred? I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million. Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?HughFreakingDillon said:
like I said, if humanity were smart and actually worked together (which includes the things you mentioned), but we don't. ever.tbergs said:
In a vacuum, yes, but not with so many people lacking basic human needs like food, water and shelter just to survive everyday. No way we would have stopped the spread due to healthcare and EMS needs alone. It would have been a slow trickle for far too long. I think we found a good middle ground with the restricted lockdowns and then limited services approach. It wasn't perfect and masking could have been implemented earlier, but then again, that could have created a shortage in the supply chain for healthcare before they could manage the early stage outbreaks. It's easy to be critical in hindsight.HughFreakingDillon said:
if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done.tempo_n_groove said:
Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred? I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million. Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?
So I mention herd immunity, protecting the elderly, staying home if sick or symptomatic is the way I would have handled this thing. Still get shit over saying that, mainly by my buddy MaxiPad who just cannot seem to let it go, YET here we have Hugh doubling, nay, tripling down on the thought that we could have eradicated the virus by locking ourselves in our homes for three weeks and get's little resistance. Makes perfect sense.HughFreakingDillon said:
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.oftenreading said:The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
too many stupid people.
What's that? He quadrupled down?!?!HughFreakingDillon said:
I didn't miss your point. even with all the moving parts, I still think it could have been achieved. But it doesn't matter. we have the vaccine and I'm very grateful.oftenreading said:
No, you’ve missed my point. Even with the best cooperation in the world there are too many services that need to be provided that require people to be moving around and interacting with others. Total lockdown and separation is not possible in a very practical way.HughFreakingDillon said:
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.oftenreading said:The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
too many stupid people.
my point was something that obviously could never be achieved, because we are a selfish and stupid race.Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I am directing my anger at the right people. People like you.gvn2fly1421 said:
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
https://apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-only-on-ap-delaware-thanksgiving-52810c22488fff7e6bb70746bdc9bc61
"For many Americans that guidance has been difficult to abide, including for Birx herself.The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"LOS ANGELES - FOX 11 obtained exclusive photos on Tuesday night of Governor Gavin Newsom allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California at a dinner party he attended on November 6 not following his own COVID-19 protocols he set forth for the state."
Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, maskless while getting her hair done violating San Fran restrictions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Apology at 11:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWOC86zF7AAndrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
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Reading is hard huh? You left out the maybe. We will never know how effective we could have been in containing this prior to the vaccine. And because if idiots that won’t get the vaccine for fear of microchips and bullshit we will never know if the vaccine could have eliminated it quickly. Good thing all you idiots weren’t alive when polio was a thinggvn2fly1421 said:
Another completely sane, normal response. You do not sound unhinged at all. Not even sure what you are asking here? Tennessee? Yes, it's a state.mrussel1 said:
oooh you're right. I'm so angry with the people who said we should socially distance and lockdown. If only all states could have been as effective as TN.. I mean you guys did great ignoring the protocols, right? Herd immunity, nothing worse than the flu, etc.? Tennessee? Angry at the right people? Herd immunity? Vax = bad? Am I getting this stuff right?gvn2fly1421 said:
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
https://apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-only-on-ap-delaware-thanksgiving-52810c22488fff7e6bb70746bdc9bc61
"For many Americans that guidance has been difficult to abide, including for Birx herself.The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"LOS ANGELES - FOX 11 obtained exclusive photos on Tuesday night of Governor Gavin Newsom allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California at a dinner party he attended on November 6 not following his own COVID-19 protocols he set forth for the state."
Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, maskless while getting her hair done violating San Fran restrictions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Apology at 11:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWOC86zF7AAndrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
Care to comment on the actual post or nah? Cincy seems to suggest that if "y'all had worn masks and stayed apart we wouldn't have needed a vaccine", with "y'all" of course referring to the Qtards, trumplicans, Grand POOBAH, and whatever other cute names you have around here. But it turns out, the ones imposing all these lockdowns and restrictions were the ones not following them. Crazy huh? Rules are for thee, not for me.hippiemom = goodness0 -
And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.hippiemom = goodness0
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we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.cincybearcat said:And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
There is a lot of leeway to be given to people on new viruses. The mask guidance that ended up killing our shot of effective management from the get go doesn’t fit into that. It was dumb at the time and worse in hindsight.HughFreakingDillon said:
we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.cincybearcat said:And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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As i was suggesting months ago.
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Please show me one time where I have brought up a microchip? I will save you the time, you cannot. I have stated numerous times why I will not be getting the vaccine.cincybearcat said:
Reading is hard huh? You left out the maybe. We will never know how effective we could have been in containing this prior to the vaccine. And because if idiots that won’t get the vaccine for fear of microchips and bullshit we will never know if the vaccine could have eliminated it quickly. Good thing all you idiots weren’t alive when polio was a thinggvn2fly1421 said:
Another completely sane, normal response. You do not sound unhinged at all. Not even sure what you are asking here? Tennessee? Yes, it's a state.mrussel1 said:
oooh you're right. I'm so angry with the people who said we should socially distance and lockdown. If only all states could have been as effective as TN.. I mean you guys did great ignoring the protocols, right? Herd immunity, nothing worse than the flu, etc.? Tennessee? Angry at the right people? Herd immunity? Vax = bad? Am I getting this stuff right?gvn2fly1421 said:
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
https://apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-only-on-ap-delaware-thanksgiving-52810c22488fff7e6bb70746bdc9bc61
"For many Americans that guidance has been difficult to abide, including for Birx herself.The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"LOS ANGELES - FOX 11 obtained exclusive photos on Tuesday night of Governor Gavin Newsom allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California at a dinner party he attended on November 6 not following his own COVID-19 protocols he set forth for the state."
Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, maskless while getting her hair done violating San Fran restrictions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Apology at 11:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWOC86zF7AAndrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
Care to comment on the actual post or nah? Cincy seems to suggest that if "y'all had worn masks and stayed apart we wouldn't have needed a vaccine", with "y'all" of course referring to the Qtards, trumplicans, Grand POOBAH, and whatever other cute names you have around here. But it turns out, the ones imposing all these lockdowns and restrictions were the ones not following them. Crazy huh? Rules are for thee, not for me.
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Only our very own Dr. Fauci new from the very beginning that masks were not and never going to be the answer. Have you read through his emails that came after a FOIA request?cincybearcat said:
There is a lot of leeway to be given to people on new viruses. The mask guidance that ended up killing our shot of effective management from the get go doesn’t fit into that. It was dumb at the time and worse in hindsight.HughFreakingDillon said:
we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.cincybearcat said:And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.
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How damning. It's 8am and I'm angry again. I wonder what people on Twitter think this morning.gvn2fly1421 said:
Only our very own Dr. Fauci new from the very beginning that masks were not and never going to be the answer. Have you read through his emails that came after a FOIA request?cincybearcat said:
There is a lot of leeway to be given to people on new viruses. The mask guidance that ended up killing our shot of effective management from the get go doesn’t fit into that. It was dumb at the time and worse in hindsight.HughFreakingDillon said:
we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.cincybearcat said:And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.0 -
yep masks do nothing.I mean just look at last flu seasons numbers ffs.jack shit for benefit.._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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That was Dr. Fauci talking, not hillbilly Qbert, trumplestiltskin me.mickeyrat said:yep masks do nothing.I mean just look at last flu seasons numbers ffs.jack shit for benefit..
How about this hot off the presses JAMA research letter on the effects of masking our kids. I think the ink is still drying on this one.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2781743Research LetterJune 30, 2021Experimental Assessment of Carbon Dioxide Content in Inhaled Air With or Without Face Masks in Healthy ChildrenA Randomized Clinical Trial
Many governments have made nose and mouth covering or face masks compulsory for schoolchildren. The evidence base for this is weak.1,2 The question whether nose and mouth covering increases carbon dioxide in inhaled air is crucial. A large-scale survey3 in Germany of adverse effects in parents and children using data of 25 930 children has shown that 68% of the participating children had problems when wearing nose and mouth coverings.
The normal content of carbon dioxide in the open is about 0.04% by volume (ie, 400 ppm). A level of 0.2% by volume or 2000 ppm is the limit for closed rooms according to the German Federal Environmental Office, and everything beyond this level is unacceptable.4
DiscussionThe limitations of the study were its short-term nature in a laboratory-like setting and the fact that children were not occupied during measurements and might have been apprehensive. Most of the complaints reported by children3 can be understood as consequences of elevated carbon dioxide levels in inhaled air. This is because of the dead-space volume of the masks, which collects exhaled carbon dioxide quickly after a short time. This carbon dioxide mixes with fresh air and elevates the carbon dioxide content of inhaled air under the mask, and this was more pronounced in this study for younger children.
This leads in turn to impairments attributable to hypercapnia. A recent review6 concluded that there was ample evidence for adverse effects of wearing such masks. We suggest that decision-makers weigh the hard evidence produced by these experimental measurements accordingly, which suggest that children should not be forced to wear face masks.
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On one hand, I really wish they hadn’t come out with that advice at the beginning. On the other hand, I really blame people that are unable to adjust to those kind of changes. People should be able to understand that opinions on science can change rather than just using the change is a lame excuse to not participate in society.cincybearcat said:
There is a lot of leeway to be given to people on new viruses. The mask guidance that ended up killing our shot of effective management from the get go doesn’t fit into that. It was dumb at the time and worse in hindsight.HughFreakingDillon said:
we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.cincybearcat said:And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Dude you do you & your family don’t wear a mask don’t get vaccinated it’s all your choice! Good luck I hope no one ever gets sickgvn2fly1421 said:
That was Dr. Fauci talking, not hillbilly Qbert, trumplestiltskin me.mickeyrat said:yep masks do nothing.I mean just look at last flu seasons numbers ffs.jack shit for benefit..
How about this hot off the presses JAMA research letter on the effects of masking our kids. I think the ink is still drying on this one.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2781743Research LetterJune 30, 2021Experimental Assessment of Carbon Dioxide Content in Inhaled Air With or Without Face Masks in Healthy ChildrenA Randomized Clinical Trial
Many governments have made nose and mouth covering or face masks compulsory for schoolchildren. The evidence base for this is weak.1,2 The question whether nose and mouth covering increases carbon dioxide in inhaled air is crucial. A large-scale survey3 in Germany of adverse effects in parents and children using data of 25 930 children has shown that 68% of the participating children had problems when wearing nose and mouth coverings.
The normal content of carbon dioxide in the open is about 0.04% by volume (ie, 400 ppm). A level of 0.2% by volume or 2000 ppm is the limit for closed rooms according to the German Federal Environmental Office, and everything beyond this level is unacceptable.4
DiscussionThe limitations of the study were its short-term nature in a laboratory-like setting and the fact that children were not occupied during measurements and might have been apprehensive. Most of the complaints reported by children3 can be understood as consequences of elevated carbon dioxide levels in inhaled air. This is because of the dead-space volume of the masks, which collects exhaled carbon dioxide quickly after a short time. This carbon dioxide mixes with fresh air and elevates the carbon dioxide content of inhaled air under the mask, and this was more pronounced in this study for younger children.
This leads in turn to impairments attributable to hypercapnia. A recent review6 concluded that there was ample evidence for adverse effects of wearing such masks. We suggest that decision-makers weigh the hard evidence produced by these experimental measurements accordingly, which suggest that children should not be forced to wear face masks.
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On one hand, I really wish they hadn’t come out with that advice at the beginning. On the other hand, I really blame people that are unable to adjust to those kind of changes. People should be able to understand that opinions on science can change rather than just using the change is a lame excuse to not participate in society.cincybearcat said:
There is a lot of leeway to be given to people on new viruses. The mask guidance that ended up killing our shot of effective management from the get go doesn’t fit into that. It was dumb at the time and worse in hindsight.HughFreakingDillon said:
we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.cincybearcat said:And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.
It's not like they had decades to study this virus, it was only discovered in November of '19.0
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