The coronavirus
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The EU is adding Canada and ten other countries to the green list of countries from which people can travel to the EU.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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This has been on my mind recently too. To think that this global devastation could have been beaten with a coordinated effort - the savings in lives and costs would have been enormous.HughFreakingDillon said:
if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done.tempo_n_groove said:
Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred? I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million. Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 10 -
This virus would never been eradicated just isolating for 3 weeks. What if someone in your house had it and then you got it 10 days later then someone else in your house got it 10days later and so on. Also all of the workers that need to keep the world going from health care to food to electricity and on and on.
Vaccines were and are needed imo.0 -
Did any countries other than China go with the extreme and immediate lockdown model? Obviously their data tells a specific story, but I'm not sure if I trust state-reported numbers on that one. Would be interesting to see if any other countries shared that curve.PJNB said:This virus would never been eradicated just isolating for 3 weeks. What if someone in your house had it and then you got it 10 days later then someone else in your house got it 10days later and so on. Also all of the workers that need to keep the world going from health care to food to electricity and on and on.
Vaccines were and are needed imo.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 10 -
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
https://apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-only-on-ap-delaware-thanksgiving-52810c22488fff7e6bb70746bdc9bc61
"For many Americans that guidance has been difficult to abide, including for Birx herself.The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"LOS ANGELES - FOX 11 obtained exclusive photos on Tuesday night of Governor Gavin Newsom allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California at a dinner party he attended on November 6 not following his own COVID-19 protocols he set forth for the state."
Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, maskless while getting her hair done violating San Fran restrictions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Apology at 11:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWOC86zF7AAndrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
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Thats actually a good point and I really forgot to be honest how well the numbers ended up in China. That was not 3 weeks though and the discipline necessary to accomplish that world wide is in no way achievable.benjs said:
Did any countries other than China go with the extreme and immediate lockdown model? Obviously their data tells a specific story, but I'm not sure if I trust state-reported numbers on that one. Would be interesting to see if any other countries shared that curve.PJNB said:This virus would never been eradicated just isolating for 3 weeks. What if someone in your house had it and then you got it 10 days later then someone else in your house got it 10days later and so on. Also all of the workers that need to keep the world going from health care to food to electricity and on and on.
Vaccines were and are needed imo.
I do not trust them either with their numbers but there is no way they could hide a serious over run of the pandemic in this day and age.Post edited by PJNB on0 -
oooh you're right. I'm so angry with the people who said we should socially distance and lockdown. If only all states could have been as effective as TN.. I mean you guys did great ignoring the protocols, right? Herd immunity, nothing worse than the flu, etc.? Tennessee? Angry at the right people? Herd immunity? Vax = bad? Am I getting this stuff right?gvn2fly1421 said:
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
https://apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-only-on-ap-delaware-thanksgiving-52810c22488fff7e6bb70746bdc9bc61
"For many Americans that guidance has been difficult to abide, including for Birx herself.The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"LOS ANGELES - FOX 11 obtained exclusive photos on Tuesday night of Governor Gavin Newsom allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California at a dinner party he attended on November 6 not following his own COVID-19 protocols he set forth for the state."
Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, maskless while getting her hair done violating San Fran restrictions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Apology at 11:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWOC86zF7AAndrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
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mrussel1 said:
oooh you're right. I'm so angry with the people who said we should socially distance and lockdown. If only all states could have been as effective as TN.. I mean you guys did great ignoring the protocols, right? Herd immunity, nothing worse than the flu, etc.? Tennessee? Angry at the right people? Herd immunity? Vax = bad? Am I getting this stuff right?gvn2fly1421 said:
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
https://apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-only-on-ap-delaware-thanksgiving-52810c22488fff7e6bb70746bdc9bc61
"For many Americans that guidance has been difficult to abide, including for Birx herself.The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"LOS ANGELES - FOX 11 obtained exclusive photos on Tuesday night of Governor Gavin Newsom allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California at a dinner party he attended on November 6 not following his own COVID-19 protocols he set forth for the state."
Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, maskless while getting her hair done violating San Fran restrictions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Apology at 11:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWOC86zF7AAndrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
No. What you're doing is trying to make these comments about something that they are not.
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i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.oftenreading said:The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
too many stupid people.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
How am I doing that?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
oooh you're right. I'm so angry with the people who said we should socially distance and lockdown. If only all states could have been as effective as TN.. I mean you guys did great ignoring the protocols, right? Herd immunity, nothing worse than the flu, etc.? Tennessee? Angry at the right people? Herd immunity? Vax = bad? Am I getting this stuff right?gvn2fly1421 said:
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
https://apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-only-on-ap-delaware-thanksgiving-52810c22488fff7e6bb70746bdc9bc61
"For many Americans that guidance has been difficult to abide, including for Birx herself.The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"LOS ANGELES - FOX 11 obtained exclusive photos on Tuesday night of Governor Gavin Newsom allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California at a dinner party he attended on November 6 not following his own COVID-19 protocols he set forth for the state."
Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, maskless while getting her hair done violating San Fran restrictions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Apology at 11:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWOC86zF7AAndrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
No. What you're doing is trying to make these comments about something that they are not.0 -
mrussel1 said:
How am I doing that?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
oooh you're right. I'm so angry with the people who said we should socially distance and lockdown. If only all states could have been as effective as TN.. I mean you guys did great ignoring the protocols, right? Herd immunity, nothing worse than the flu, etc.? Tennessee? Angry at the right people? Herd immunity? Vax = bad? Am I getting this stuff right?gvn2fly1421 said:
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
https://apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-only-on-ap-delaware-thanksgiving-52810c22488fff7e6bb70746bdc9bc61
"For many Americans that guidance has been difficult to abide, including for Birx herself.The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"LOS ANGELES - FOX 11 obtained exclusive photos on Tuesday night of Governor Gavin Newsom allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California at a dinner party he attended on November 6 not following his own COVID-19 protocols he set forth for the state."
Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, maskless while getting her hair done violating San Fran restrictions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Apology at 11:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWOC86zF7AAndrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
No. What you're doing is trying to make these comments about something that they are not.What did Tennessee have to do with the post that you replied to? Not only that, the post wasn't even about states.From what I can see, Tennessee has a really low vaccination rate yet their daily cases are dropping fast. That seems like good news for Tennessee.
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No, you’ve missed my point. Even with the best cooperation in the world there are too many services that need to be provided that require people to be moving around and interacting with others. Total lockdown and separation is not possible in a very practical way.HughFreakingDillon said:
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.oftenreading said:The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
too many stupid people.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Because you ahven't been subject to the onslaught of misinformation posted here, or you buy it. TN has one of the lowest vax rates in the country but it's number five in infection rate per 100k people. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/ The poster lives in TN and has bragged about how no one in the state wore masks or socially distanced.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
How am I doing that?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
oooh you're right. I'm so angry with the people who said we should socially distance and lockdown. If only all states could have been as effective as TN.. I mean you guys did great ignoring the protocols, right? Herd immunity, nothing worse than the flu, etc.? Tennessee? Angry at the right people? Herd immunity? Vax = bad? Am I getting this stuff right?gvn2fly1421 said:
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
https://apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-only-on-ap-delaware-thanksgiving-52810c22488fff7e6bb70746bdc9bc61
"For many Americans that guidance has been difficult to abide, including for Birx herself.The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"LOS ANGELES - FOX 11 obtained exclusive photos on Tuesday night of Governor Gavin Newsom allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California at a dinner party he attended on November 6 not following his own COVID-19 protocols he set forth for the state."
Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, maskless while getting her hair done violating San Fran restrictions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Apology at 11:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWOC86zF7AAndrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
No. What you're doing is trying to make these comments about something that they are not.What did Tennessee have to do with the post that you replied to? Not only that, the post wasn't even about states.From what I can see, Tennessee has a really low vaccination rate yet their daily cases are dropping fast. That seems like good news for Tennessee.0 -
I agree. It's really not possible to keep everyone indoors. The right strategy was to mitigate the spread as much as possible by acting as a community and try to run out the clock until the vaccines were ready. We got number two right, didn't do so great in the US with part 1.oftenreading said:
No, you’ve missed my point. Even with the best cooperation in the world there are too many services that need to be provided that require people to be moving around and interacting with others. Total lockdown and separation is not possible in a very practical way.HughFreakingDillon said:
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.oftenreading said:The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
too many stupid people.0 -
I didn't miss your point. even with all the moving parts, I still think it could have been achieved. But it doesn't matter. we have the vaccine and I'm very grateful.oftenreading said:
No, you’ve missed my point. Even with the best cooperation in the world there are too many services that need to be provided that require people to be moving around and interacting with others. Total lockdown and separation is not possible in a very practical way.HughFreakingDillon said:
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.oftenreading said:The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
too many stupid people.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Completely sane, normal response here. To be clear, you are saying you want "time and karma" to "do it's thing" against the unvaxxed? Could you imagine if I said the same about people and the vaccine? Sheesh, get a grip.cblock4life said:I said it before, this thing finds the unvaccinated (we need something soon for our under 12 children). Sooner or later it’s going to get to those who are unvaccinated because it will have no where else to go…sea correct.….”far from over” so just let time and karma do it’s thing (not against children of course).And for those who aren’t vaccinated but are appalled with the indigenous issue in Canada, you’re not helping any children right now are you? I’m confused that you don’t see you may be hurting children.
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Another completely sane, normal response. You do not sound unhinged at all. Not even sure what you are asking here? Tennessee? Yes, it's a state.mrussel1 said:
oooh you're right. I'm so angry with the people who said we should socially distance and lockdown. If only all states could have been as effective as TN.. I mean you guys did great ignoring the protocols, right? Herd immunity, nothing worse than the flu, etc.? Tennessee? Angry at the right people? Herd immunity? Vax = bad? Am I getting this stuff right?gvn2fly1421 said:
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
https://apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-only-on-ap-delaware-thanksgiving-52810c22488fff7e6bb70746bdc9bc61
"For many Americans that guidance has been difficult to abide, including for Birx herself.The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"LOS ANGELES - FOX 11 obtained exclusive photos on Tuesday night of Governor Gavin Newsom allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California at a dinner party he attended on November 6 not following his own COVID-19 protocols he set forth for the state."
Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, maskless while getting her hair done violating San Fran restrictions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Apology at 11:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWOC86zF7AAndrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
Care to comment on the actual post or nah? Cincy seems to suggest that if "y'all had worn masks and stayed apart we wouldn't have needed a vaccine", with "y'all" of course referring to the Qtards, trumplicans, Grand POOBAH, and whatever other cute names you have around here. But it turns out, the ones imposing all these lockdowns and restrictions were the ones not following them. Crazy huh? Rules are for thee, not for me.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done.tempo_n_groove said:
Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred? I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million. Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?HughFreakingDillon said:
like I said, if humanity were smart and actually worked together (which includes the things you mentioned), but we don't. ever.tbergs said:
In a vacuum, yes, but not with so many people lacking basic human needs like food, water and shelter just to survive everyday. No way we would have stopped the spread due to healthcare and EMS needs alone. It would have been a slow trickle for far too long. I think we found a good middle ground with the restricted lockdowns and then limited services approach. It wasn't perfect and masking could have been implemented earlier, but then again, that could have created a shortage in the supply chain for healthcare before they could manage the early stage outbreaks. It's easy to be critical in hindsight.HughFreakingDillon said:
if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done.tempo_n_groove said:
Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred? I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million. Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?
So I mention herd immunity, protecting the elderly, staying home if sick or symptomatic is the way I would have handled this thing. Still get shit over saying that, mainly by my buddy MaxiPad who just cannot seem to let it go, YET here we have Hugh doubling, nay, tripling down on the thought that we could have eradicated the virus by locking ourselves in our homes for three weeks and get's little resistance. Makes perfect sense.HughFreakingDillon said:
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.oftenreading said:The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
too many stupid people.
What's that? He quadrupled down?!?!HughFreakingDillon said:
I didn't miss your point. even with all the moving parts, I still think it could have been achieved. But it doesn't matter. we have the vaccine and I'm very grateful.oftenreading said:
No, you’ve missed my point. Even with the best cooperation in the world there are too many services that need to be provided that require people to be moving around and interacting with others. Total lockdown and separation is not possible in a very practical way.HughFreakingDillon said:
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.oftenreading said:The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
too many stupid people.
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I don't answer for other people's behavior and I don't get angry when someone is a hypocrite. I do what I think is right using my own moral compass. You come here and post nonsense and misinformation. And when I challenge you on the data you show, you disappear. And you'll not live down your celebration of Tennessee not following protocols when the state's infection and vaxed numbers are an embarrassment. It makes Kentucky and WV look advanced.gvn2fly1421 said:
Another completely sane, normal response. You do not sound unhinged at all. Not even sure what you are asking here? Tennessee? Yes, it's a state.mrussel1 said:
oooh you're right. I'm so angry with the people who said we should socially distance and lockdown. If only all states could have been as effective as TN.. I mean you guys did great ignoring the protocols, right? Herd immunity, nothing worse than the flu, etc.? Tennessee? Angry at the right people? Herd immunity? Vax = bad? Am I getting this stuff right?gvn2fly1421 said:
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...cincybearcat said:I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
https://apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-only-on-ap-delaware-thanksgiving-52810c22488fff7e6bb70746bdc9bc61
"For many Americans that guidance has been difficult to abide, including for Birx herself.The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"LOS ANGELES - FOX 11 obtained exclusive photos on Tuesday night of Governor Gavin Newsom allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California at a dinner party he attended on November 6 not following his own COVID-19 protocols he set forth for the state."
Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, maskless while getting her hair done violating San Fran restrictions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Apology at 11:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWOC86zF7AAndrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
Care to comment on the actual post or nah? Cincy seems to suggest that if "y'all had worn masks and stayed apart we wouldn't have needed a vaccine", with "y'all" of course referring to the Qtards, trumplicans, Grand POOBAH, and whatever other cute names you have around here. But it turns out, the ones imposing all these lockdowns and restrictions were the ones not following them. Crazy huh? Rules are for thee, not for me.
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I've said it before and I will say it again, the damage done during this past 16 months is going to take years to repair..
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