The coronavirus

gvn2fly1421

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tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Someone's still struggling mightily to live their life. 

Just be glad you are vaxxed, double masked and still in the basement...  Gas prices are stupid out here in the real world...

Less than $3 per gallon in VA.  Maybe you should talk to your legislature about your fuel taxes or improve your roads to make it cheaper to transport gas.  The other option is stop pretending that oil prices aren't controlled by OPEC.  

Or that the US hasn’t increased refining capacity in a decade or two or three. But you know, Biden (I heard it’s Hillary’s fault as she gets a few cents a gallon).

But it's not that at all.  OPEC will control production to target $60 per barrel.  That's where they want it to be.  Last year there was a ton of surplus because the pandemic hit so quickly, so prices tanked. Now demand shot up starting in March and OPEC had not planned to increase production until May.  So you know.  supply and demand deep state.  

The other thing is that prices always rise in the spring/summer because US refineries are required to switch to the summer blend, which has lower emissions.  It typically costs 15 cents more per gallon. 

Except that if we had higher refining capacity, we could refine all that fracked oil instead of exporting it. Isn’t it great that we export our oil? Rather than refine and use it ourselves or save it for a rainy day? 

I think that's a different argument.  Right now we're above the shut down price for fracking, but last year the price per barrel was below that mark.  It's low yield, poor quality crude.  

Are you arguing for more fracking and more refining?  I'm not.  If the cartel is going to keep the price at about $60 per barrel, that's fine with me.  That turns into less than $3 per gallon where I am.

I’m for more refining capacity, less fracking and using everyone else’s oil before exporting our own, while transitioning away from petroleum in general. And raising the federal gas tax to encourage alternative means of transportation/shipping and paying to fix roads and bridges.

Great discussion to do in the Oil thread.  I would enjoy that.

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Someone's still struggling mightily to live their life. 

Just be glad you are vaxxed, double masked and still in the basement...  Gas prices are stupid out here in the real world...

Less than $3 per gallon in VA.  Maybe you should talk to your legislature about your fuel taxes or improve your roads to make it cheaper to transport gas.  The other option is stop pretending that oil prices aren't controlled by OPEC.  

Or that the US hasn’t increased refining capacity in a decade or two or three. But you know, Biden (I heard it’s Hillary’s fault as she gets a few cents a gallon).

But it's not that at all.  OPEC will control production to target $60 per barrel.  That's where they want it to be.  Last year there was a ton of surplus because the pandemic hit so quickly, so prices tanked. Now demand shot up starting in March and OPEC had not planned to increase production until May.  So you know.  supply and demand deep state.  

The other thing is that prices always rise in the spring/summer because US refineries are required to switch to the summer blend, which has lower emissions.  It typically costs 15 cents more per gallon. 

Except that if we had higher refining capacity, we could refine all that fracked oil instead of exporting it. Isn’t it great that we export our oil? Rather than refine and use it ourselves or save it for a rainy day? 

I think that's a different argument.  Right now we're above the shut down price for fracking, but last year the price per barrel was below that mark.  It's low yield, poor quality crude.  

Are you arguing for more fracking and more refining?  I'm not.  If the cartel is going to keep the price at about $60 per barrel, that's fine with me.  That turns into less than $3 per gallon where I am.

I’m for more refining capacity, less fracking and using everyone else’s oil before exporting our own, while transitioning away from petroleum in general. And raising the federal gas tax to encourage alternative means of transportation/shipping and paying to fix roads and bridges.

Great discussion to do in the Oil thread.  I would enjoy that.

Tell it to given and mrussel.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Someone's still struggling mightily to live their life. 

Just be glad you are vaxxed, double masked and still in the basement...  Gas prices are stupid out here in the real world...

Less than $3 per gallon in VA.  Maybe you should talk to your legislature about your fuel taxes or improve your roads to make it cheaper to transport gas.  The other option is stop pretending that oil prices aren't controlled by OPEC.  

Or that the US hasn’t increased refining capacity in a decade or two or three. But you know, Biden (I heard it’s Hillary’s fault as she gets a few cents a gallon).

But it's not that at all.  OPEC will control production to target $60 per barrel.  That's where they want it to be.  Last year there was a ton of surplus because the pandemic hit so quickly, so prices tanked. Now demand shot up starting in March and OPEC had not planned to increase production until May.  So you know.  supply and demand deep state.  

The other thing is that prices always rise in the spring/summer because US refineries are required to switch to the summer blend, which has lower emissions.  It typically costs 15 cents more per gallon. 

Except that if we had higher refining capacity, we could refine all that fracked oil instead of exporting it. Isn’t it great that we export our oil? Rather than refine and use it ourselves or save it for a rainy day? 

I think that's a different argument.  Right now we're above the shut down price for fracking, but last year the price per barrel was below that mark.  It's low yield, poor quality crude.  

Are you arguing for more fracking and more refining?  I'm not.  If the cartel is going to keep the price at about $60 per barrel, that's fine with me.  That turns into less than $3 per gallon where I am.

I’m for more refining capacity, less fracking and using everyone else’s oil before exporting our own, while transitioning away from petroleum in general. And raising the federal gas tax to encourage alternative means of transportation/shipping and paying to fix roads and bridges.

Great discussion to do in the Oil thread.  I would enjoy that.

Tell it to given and mrussel.

All of you, yes.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Someone's still struggling mightily to live their life. 

Just be glad you are vaxxed, double masked and still in the basement...  Gas prices are stupid out here in the real world...

Less than $3 per gallon in VA.  Maybe you should talk to your legislature about your fuel taxes or improve your roads to make it cheaper to transport gas.  The other option is stop pretending that oil prices aren't controlled by OPEC.  

Or that the US hasn’t increased refining capacity in a decade or two or three. But you know, Biden (I heard it’s Hillary’s fault as she gets a few cents a gallon).

But it's not that at all.  OPEC will control production to target $60 per barrel.  That's where they want it to be.  Last year there was a ton of surplus because the pandemic hit so quickly, so prices tanked. Now demand shot up starting in March and OPEC had not planned to increase production until May.  So you know.  supply and demand deep state.  

The other thing is that prices always rise in the spring/summer because US refineries are required to switch to the summer blend, which has lower emissions.  It typically costs 15 cents more per gallon. 

Except that if we had higher refining capacity, we could refine all that fracked oil instead of exporting it. Isn’t it great that we export our oil? Rather than refine and use it ourselves or save it for a rainy day? 

I think that's a different argument.  Right now we're above the shut down price for fracking, but last year the price per barrel was below that mark.  It's low yield, poor quality crude.  

Are you arguing for more fracking and more refining?  I'm not.  If the cartel is going to keep the price at about $60 per barrel, that's fine with me.  That turns into less than $3 per gallon where I am.

I’m for more refining capacity, less fracking and using everyone else’s oil before exporting our own, while transitioning away from petroleum in general. And raising the federal gas tax to encourage alternative means of transportation/shipping and paying to fix roads and bridges.

Great discussion to do in the Oil thread.  I would enjoy that.

Sorry you had to avoid reading that post.  Must have been tough sledding. 

Ledbetterman10

CDC director says vaccinated people are "safe" from the Delta variant. 

CDC director: Vaccinated people 'safe' from delta variant, do not need to wear masks (msn.com)

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Someone's still struggling mightily to live their life. 

Just be glad you are vaxxed, double masked and still in the basement...  Gas prices are stupid out here in the real world...

Less than $3 per gallon in VA.  Maybe you should talk to your legislature about your fuel taxes or improve your roads to make it cheaper to transport gas.  The other option is stop pretending that oil prices aren't controlled by OPEC.  

Or that the US hasn’t increased refining capacity in a decade or two or three. But you know, Biden (I heard it’s Hillary’s fault as she gets a few cents a gallon).

But it's not that at all.  OPEC will control production to target $60 per barrel.  That's where they want it to be.  Last year there was a ton of surplus because the pandemic hit so quickly, so prices tanked. Now demand shot up starting in March and OPEC had not planned to increase production until May.  So you know.  supply and demand deep state.  

The other thing is that prices always rise in the spring/summer because US refineries are required to switch to the summer blend, which has lower emissions.  It typically costs 15 cents more per gallon. 

Except that if we had higher refining capacity, we could refine all that fracked oil instead of exporting it. Isn’t it great that we export our oil? Rather than refine and use it ourselves or save it for a rainy day? 

I think that's a different argument.  Right now we're above the shut down price for fracking, but last year the price per barrel was below that mark.  It's low yield, poor quality crude.  

Are you arguing for more fracking and more refining?  I'm not.  If the cartel is going to keep the price at about $60 per barrel, that's fine with me.  That turns into less than $3 per gallon where I am.

I’m for more refining capacity, less fracking and using everyone else’s oil before exporting our own, while transitioning away from petroleum in general. And raising the federal gas tax to encourage alternative means of transportation/shipping and paying to fix roads and bridges.

Great discussion to do in the Oil thread.  I would enjoy that.

Sorry you had to avoid reading that post.  Must have been tough sledding. 

Joke is lost on me, sorry...

cincybearcat

I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid.  Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine. 

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid.  Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine. 

100%

mrussel1

cincybearcat said:

I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid.  Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine. 

You can take your rational thinking and gtfo

tempo_n_groove

cincybearcat said:

I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid.  Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine. 

Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.

Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred?  I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million.  Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid.  Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine. 

Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.

Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred?  I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million.  Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?

if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done. 

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid.  Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine. 

Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.

Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred?  I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million.  Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?

if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done. 

I don't think that would have been scientifically possible.  You have certain "essential workers" where it was still going to spread.

I could be wrong but I'm not sure it would have worked.  We shut down everything in NY and shit still got real.

cblock4life

I said it before, this thing finds the unvaccinated (we need something soon for our under 12 children).  Sooner or later it’s going to get to those who are unvaccinated because it will have no where else to go…sea correct.….”far from over” so just let time and karma do it’s thing (not against children of course). 

And for those who aren’t vaccinated but are appalled with the indigenous issue in Canada, you’re not helping any children right now are you? I’m confused that you don’t see you may be hurting children.

tbergs

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid.  Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine. 

Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.

Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred?  I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million.  Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?

if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done. 

In a vacuum, yes, but not with so many people lacking basic human needs like food, water and shelter just to survive everyday. No way we would have stopped the spread due to healthcare and EMS needs alone. It would have been a slow trickle for far too long. I think we found a good middle ground with the restricted lockdowns and then limited services approach. It wasn't perfect and masking could have been implemented earlier, but then again, that could have created a shortage in the supply chain for healthcare before they could manage the early stage outbreaks. It's easy to be critical in hindsight.

FiveBelow

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid.  Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine. 

Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.

Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred?  I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million.  Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?

if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done. 

In a vacuum, yes, but not with so many people lacking basic human needs like food, water and shelter just to survive everyday. No way we would have stopped the spread due to healthcare and EMS needs alone. It would have been a slow trickle for far too long. I think we found a good middle ground with the restricted lockdowns and then limited services approach. It wasn't perfect and masking could have been implemented earlier, but then again, that could have created a shortage in the supply chain for healthcare before they could manage the early stage outbreaks. It's easy to be critical in hindsight.

Bingo.

HughFreakingDillon

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid.  Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine. 

Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.

Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred?  I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million.  Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?

if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done. 

In a vacuum, yes, but not with so many people lacking basic human needs like food, water and shelter just to survive everyday. No way we would have stopped the spread due to healthcare and EMS needs alone. It would have been a slow trickle for far too long. I think we found a good middle ground with the restricted lockdowns and then limited services approach. It wasn't perfect and masking could have been implemented earlier, but then again, that could have created a shortage in the supply chain for healthcare before they could manage the early stage outbreaks. It's easy to be critical in hindsight.

like I said, if humanity were smart and actually worked together (which includes the things you mentioned), but we don't. ever. 

lastexitlondon

This is fuckin with my mind all this.  
Its absolutely horrible. 

OnWis97

cincybearcat said:

I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid.  Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine. 

Boom!

oftenreading

The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.