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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,800
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Does an opinion article talking about side effects change the data on the efficacy?
    The one is professor on UCLA and the other on Yale.. i think their opinion has some weight..
    UCLA is the worst place on earth.  Well, ok, maybe slightly above Trump University.

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Does an opinion article talking about side effects change the data on the efficacy?
    The one is professor on UCLA and the other on Yale.. i think their opinion has some weight..
    You missed my point.  It's about the side effects,  not efficacy.  So does it work or not?
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Does an opinion article talking about side effects change the data on the efficacy?
    The one is professor on UCLA and the other on Yale.. i think their opinion has some weight..

    The article for those who can't get past the paywall:


    "One remarkable aspect of the Covid-19 pandemic has been how often unpopular scientific ideas, from the lab-leak theory to the efficacy of masks, were initially dismissed, even ridiculed, only to resurface later in mainstream thinking. Differences of opinion have sometimes been rooted in disagreement over the underlying science. But the more common motivation has been political.

    Another reversal in thinking may be imminent. Some scientists have raised concerns that the safety risks of Covid-19 vaccines have been underestimated. But the politics of vaccination has relegated their concerns to the outskirts of scientific thinking—for now.

    Historically, the safety of medications—including vaccines—is often not fully understood until they are deployed in large populations. Examples include rofecoxib (Vioxx), a pain reliever that increased the risk of heart attack and stroke; antidepressants that appeared to increase suicide attempts among young adults; and an influenza vaccine used in the 2009-10 swine flu epidemic that was suspected of causing febrile convulsions and narcolepsy in children. Evidence from the real world is valuable, as clinical trials often enroll patients who aren’t representative of the general population. We learn more about drug safety from real-world evidence and can adjust clinical recommendations to balance risk and benefits.

    The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or Vaers, which is administered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration, is a database that allows Americans to document adverse events that happen after receiving a vaccine. The FDA and CDC state that the database isn’t designed to determine whether the events were caused by a vaccine. This is true. But the data can nonetheless be evaluated, accounting for its strengths and weaknesses, and that is what the CDC and FDA say they do.

    The Vaers data for Covid-19 vaccines show an interesting pattern. Among the 310 million Covid-19 vaccines given, several adverse events are reported at high rates in the days immediately after vaccination, and then fall precipitously afterward. Some of these adverse events might have occurred anyway. The pattern may be partly attributable to the tendency to report more events that happen soon after vaccination.

    The database can’t say what would have happened in the absence of vaccination. Nonetheless, the large clustering of certain adverse events immediately after vaccination is concerning, and the silence around these potential signals of harm reflects the politics surrounding Covid-19 vaccines. Stigmatizing such concerns is bad for scientific integrity and could harm patients.

    Four serious adverse events follow this arc, according to data taken directly from Vaers: low platelets (thrombocytopenia); noninfectious myocarditis, or heart inflammation, especially for those under 30; deep-vein thrombosis; and death. Vaers records 321 cases of myocarditis within five days of receiving a vaccination, falling to almost zero by 10 days. Prior research has shown that only a fraction of adverse events are reported, so the true number of cases is almost certainly higher. This tendency of underreporting is consistent with our clinical experience.

    Analyses to confirm or dismiss these findings should be performed using large data sets of health-insurance companies and healthcare organizations. The CDC and FDA are surely aware of these data patterns, yet neither agency has acknowledged the trend.

    The implication is that the risks of a Covid-19 vaccine may outweigh the benefits for certain low-risk populations, such as children, young adults and people who have recovered from Covid-19. This is especially true in regions with low levels of community spread, since the likelihood of illness depends on exposure risk.

    Given that the database doesn't state what would have happened in the absence of the vaccine, this is only half of a valid comparison. It also doesn't answer what the community spread was like in areas

    And while you would never know it from listening to public-health officials, not a single published study has demonstrated that patients with a prior infection benefit from Covid-19 vaccination. That this isn’t readily acknowledged by the CDC or Anthony Fauci is an indication of how deeply entangled pandemic politics is in science.

    There are, however, signs of life for scientific honesty. In May, the Norwegian Medicines Agency reviewed case files for the first 100 reported deaths of nursing-home residents who received the Pfizer vaccine. The agency concluded that the vaccine “likely” contributed to the deaths of 10 of these residents through side effects such as fever and diarrhea, and “possibly” contributed to the deaths of an additional 26. But this type of honesty is rare. And it is rare for any vaccine to be linked to deaths, so this unusual development for mRNA vaccines merits further investigation.

    The battle to recover scientific honesty will be an uphill one in the U.S. Anti-Trump politics in the spring of 2020 mushroomed into social-media censorship. News reporting often lacked intellectual curiosity about the appropriateness of public-health guidelines—or why a vocal minority of scientists strongly disagreed with prevailing opinions. Scientists have advocated for or against Covid-19 therapies while having financial relationships with product manufacturers and their foundation benefactors.

    Public-health authorities are making a mistake and risking the public’s trust by not being forthcoming about the possibility of harm from certain vaccine side effects. There will be lasting consequences from mingling political partisanship and science during the management of a public-health crisis.

    Dr. Ladapo is an associate professor of medicine at UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine. Dr. Risch is a professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health."


    And the referenced Norway study:

    "The Pfizer-BioNTech covid-19 vaccine is “likely” to have been responsible for at least 10 deaths of frail elderly people in nursing homes in Norway, an expert review commissioned by the Norwegian Medicines Agency has concluded.

    The expert group was established at the end of February 2021 to look into the cause of the first 100 reported deaths of nursing home residents who had received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. At the time, around 30 000 elderly nursing home residents had been vaccinated.

    Although the mortality rate in nursing homes is generally very high and the deaths of some nursing home residents after vaccination was anticipated, the Norwegian Medicines Agency wanted to determine whether the vaccine had possibly hastened any deaths and to gain a clearer understanding of the risks and benefits of its use in frail elderly people.

    The review reported on 19 May and concluded that a causal link between the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and death was considered “likely” in 10 of the 100 cases, “possible” in 26 cases, and “unlikely” in 59 cases. The remaining five were deemed “unclassifiable.”1

    While emphasising considerable uncertainty around its conclusions, the expert group acknowledged a risk that adverse reactions to the vaccines among very frail patients could initiate a cascade of complications, which in the worst case scenario could lead to earlier death.

    Extremely frail patients

    “Frail patients can benefit from vaccination because they are at great risk of serious illness and even death if they become infected with the covid-19 virus,” said Sigurd Hortemo, senior medical consultant at the Norwegian Medicines Agency. “Nevertheless, the expert group believes that, for some of these frail patients, common adverse reactions may have contributed to a more serious course of their disease.”

    The group noted that more thorough assessment of the benefits and risks of vaccination could have been made for some very frail elderly people, particularly during the first few weeks of the vaccine’s use.  People with a very short life expectancy have little to gain from being vaccinated, it said, noting a genuine risk that the time of death will be brought forward and that they will experience adverse reactions to the vaccine in the last days of their life.

    The benefits of vaccination for very frail people with very short life expectancy should therefore be carefully assessed against the associated risks, and it may often be better not to vaccinate, the group recommended. However, the guidelines on risk assessment—issued by the Norwegian Institute of Public Health shortly after the first reported deaths of frail elderly patients after vaccination—were adequate, it said. These advise that doctors should assess such patients individually to determine whether the benefits of vaccination outweigh the side effects. The guidelines recommend that, ahead of vaccination, doctors should consider the benefits and disadvantages of giving the vaccine to extremely frail patients (such as those whose frailty is ranked 8 or 9 on the Clinical Frailty Scale or equivalent) or terminally ill patients.

    Preventive measures such as good hydration, medicine reviews, and optimised treatment of comorbid conditions may also reduce the risk of fatal consequences from adverse reactions to vaccines, the expert group added.

    Health authorities

    As of 18 May 2021, 155 deaths had been reported in Norway after vaccination with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and most deaths involved elderly and very frail nursing home residents.2

    Pfizer has said in a statement that all decisions on the rollout of vaccine programmes reside with health authorities and that the Norwegian health authorities had previously issued updated recommendations on vaccinating terminally ill and extremely frail patients.

    “More than 300 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech covid-19 vaccine have been administered globally,” said Pfizer. “Serious adverse events unrelated to, but close in timing to vaccination, are expected to occur at a similar rate in vaccinated individuals as they would in the overall population.”

    Only the BioNTech-Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are now part of the covid-19 vaccination programme in Norway. On 11 March officials suspended the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine because of concerns about blood clots, and in April the Norwegian Institute of Public Health recommended no further use of that vaccine.3

    Geir Bukholm, director of the Division of Infection Control and Environmental Health at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health, said, “Since there are few people who die from covid-19 in Norway, the risk of dying after vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine would be higher than the risk of dying from the disease, particularly for younger people.” As of 25 May, Norway had recorded 782 deaths from covid-19.4"

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    went to a restaurant and sat on the patio for dinner with my wife and a friend for the first time in ages. my god it was nice. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Inslee vents about Point Roberts as Canadian border remains closed due to COVID-19


    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/inslee-vents-about-point-roberts-as-canadian-border-remains-closed-due-to-covid-19/

    He should take it up with the opposition conservatives…I’ve been told around here that they want the border closed.  It’s our liberal racist and misogynist prime minister that has kept the border closed for no reason at this point…it’s alright for the elite to fly in snd out but us peons are to stay put..hehehe

    But he should pressure his president to open the US side at least..
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,316

    Inslee vents about Point Roberts as Canadian border remains closed due to COVID-19


    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/inslee-vents-about-point-roberts-as-canadian-border-remains-closed-due-to-covid-19/

    He should take it up with the opposition conservatives…I’ve been told around here that they want the border closed.  It’s our liberal racist and misogynist prime minister that has kept the border closed for no reason at this point…it’s alright for the elite to fly in snd out but us peons are to stay put..hehehe

    But he should pressure his president to open the US side at least..

    psst you really should pay attention. The US side has been open a couple weeks now.
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  • PJNB
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    mickeyrat said:

    Inslee vents about Point Roberts as Canadian border remains closed due to COVID-19


    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/inslee-vents-about-point-roberts-as-canadian-border-remains-closed-due-to-covid-19/

    He should take it up with the opposition conservatives…I’ve been told around here that they want the border closed.  It’s our liberal racist and misogynist prime minister that has kept the border closed for no reason at this point…it’s alright for the elite to fly in snd out but us peons are to stay put..hehehe

    But he should pressure his president to open the US side at least..

    psst you really should pay attention. The US side has been open a couple weeks now.
    First I have heard of this. 
  • mickeyrat
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    that was the word a while back. US agents were told to prep for it. guess things changed during G7 meetings.
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  • mickeyrat
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    U.S. border to re-open June 22

    Unilateral move by the U.S. government

    Posted Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:42 pm
    By Pat Grubb

    While there has been no official word, two highly placed sources in the Blaine port of entry have told local immigration attorney Len Saunders on May 25 that the U.S. intends to unilaterally open the land border without restrictions between the U.S. and Canada on June 22.

    Another ranking CBP officer also confirmed the news independently. Despite the lack of official confirmation from the Department of Homeland Security in Washington, D.C., a number of CBP officers have independently confirmed that they have been given word to prepare for a full opening next month. It also appears to be common scuttlebutt among regular line officers both in the CBP and the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA). The current border closure order was extended on May 20 until June 21.

    The border was closed to non-essential traffic on March 20, 2020. At the same time, the U.S. also suspended biometrics processing at e-SAFE ports of entry for non-essential travel and has extended the suspension each month in coordination with the border closure.

    Biometric processing requires individuals who are submitting electronic immigration files to go to designated ports of entry for photographs and fingerprints. On Tuesday, May 25, local immigration attorneys were notified that biometric processing had resumed, effective immediately.

    Saunders declined to identify his first source publicly but said, “He has been highly reliable in the past and is in a position to know.” Saunders said the two other sources are equally reliable. There have been inchoate rumors circulating the last few days in government circles regarding upcoming changes to border restrictions but nothing definite.

    If accurate, the U.S. move will place significant pressure on Canada to consider relaxing border restrictions at a time when provincial governments are still locking down their residents. Travel from one part of B.C. to another is still prohibited as is inter-provincial movement. Still, with Canadians eager to return to travel to their cabins in the U.S. or to vacation destinations, the Canadian government will be hard-pressed to deal with returning residents who don’t want to undergo 14-day quarantines as currently required. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had recently said the border would not be opened until 75 percent of Canadians had received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine.

    In a phone call to the All Point Bulletin on May 26, Windsor, Ontario mayor Drew Dilkens said the reported border re-opening had made many, many people happy and he expected thousands of Ontario residents would  rush south of the border to get vaccinated the moment the border re-opens. Within 60 minutes of their return, he prophesied, the Canadian quarantine system would come to a “crashing halt.”

    Absent some form of relaxation by the Canadian government, the U.S. decision will not improve the ability of Point Roberts residents to access the mainland for non-essential purposes.

    It will, however, allow Canadians who own cabins in Birch Bay, Point Roberts and other areas to enter the U.S. to access them. As well, once they are here, they will be able to take advantage of Covid-19 vaccinations available through the various service providers.

    At time of press, calls seeking information from CBP, CBSA and U.S. federal politicians had not been returned.

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    After 460 days, still no word on when border will reopen

    Marketplace owner Ali Hayton warns of July 15 store closing

    The Canadian flag was recently planted with flowers at the Canadian side of the Peace Arch border crossing near where two people sit June 17.
    Photo by Ruth Lauman
    Posted Friday, June 25, 2021 1:04 pm
    By Pat Grubb

    Despite unofficial reports that the U.S. intended to open its land borders with Canada and Mexico on June 22, that day came and went with no change to the status quo, the 458th day since the borders were closed on March 21, 2020. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officially posted its intention to extend the closure until July 21, approximately nine hours before the restriction was due to expire at midnight on June 21. The notice was subsequently published in the Federal Register on June 23.

    In doing so, DHS followed the lead of Canada which had announced its decision to extend the closure to non-essential traffic on June 18 with a tweet from Canadian public safety minister Bill Blair saying the prohibition against non-essential travel into Canada was being extended until July 21. In a June 20 tweet, the DHS noted positive developments in recent weeks and wrote it was “participating with other U.S. agencies in the White House’s expert working groups with Canada and Mexico to identify the conditions under which restrictions may be eased safely and sustainably.”

    Blaine immigration attorney Len Saunders pointed out that the Americans who were held during the Iranian hostage crisis were released on their 454th day of imprisonment, meaning the border closure is now longer than one of America’s most fraught and emotional international crises. “How ironic is that,” Saunders asked.

    “I’d be shocked if the border doesn’t open on June 22. Shocked,” Saunders had said on June 15 when asked for an update on the border. Saunders was the source of the May 25 story in All Point Bulletin that broke the news nationwide that the U.S. was preparing to open the border on June 22 on a unilateral basis, if necessary.

    That story related how he had been told by multiple local CBP officials that while there was no “official” directive, the Blaine sector had been told to get ready to open the gates on June 22. Since that time, there had been changes in traffic routing and a bevy of new officers being trained in the inspection booths. The ubiquitous and obligatory zapping of vehicles, drivers and passengers by the drive-through X-ray machine had also stopped with most vehicles directed to the nearest exit.

    In response to the border extension, New York congressman Brian Higgins had this to say: “There’s no other way to say it: another month’s delay is bullshit.” Higgins has been a strong proponent of reopening the border and is co-chair of the Canada-U.S. Interparliamentary Group On Continued Extension Of Border Restrictions. The group released the following statement:

    “Millions of Americans and Canadians are counting on our governments to work together to reach an agreement that provides a clear roadmap for reopening the border between our two nations. The lack of transparency surrounding these negotiations is a disservice to our constituents and the millions of residents on both sides of the border waiting to see their loved ones, visit their property, and renew business ties. While the arrival of vaccines in record time has been a modern marvel, the inability of the U.S. and Canadian governments to reach an agreement on alleviating border restrictions or aligning additional essential traveler classes is simply unacceptable.”

    Other politicians on both sides of the border were quick to endorse Higgins’ opinion and urged both governments to quickly release the criteria under which the border would be re-opened. The Canadian government has been especially vague and fluid in its position on reopening the border. Prime Minister Trudeau had said border restrictions would be relaxed once 75 percent of Canadians had received at least one vaccine dose and 20 percent were fully vaccinated.

    However, Blair said June 20 that 75 percent of Canadians would need to be fully vaccinated before restrictions would be phased out. As of June 23, 75.6 percent of eligible Canadians (age 12 or older) have received one dose while 24.3 percent have been fully vaccinated. In the U.S., 63 percent of those aged 12 or older had received at least one dose and 53 percent were fully vaccinated.

    On June 21, the Canadian government announced it would allow fully vaccinated Canadian residents to forgo the previously mandated 14-day quarantine. As of July 5, returning Canadians will still need to submit electronically proof of vaccination, a negative test result taken 72 hours ahead of arrival, not have Covid-19 symptoms and take a test on arrival.

    The increasing number of vaccinations in both the U.S. and Canada has state, provincial and federal politicians calling upon the Canadian and U.S. federal governments to reopen the border.

    State representative Alicia Rule (D-Blaine) wrote a letter to Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau June 18 urging him to allow Point Roberts residents to cross the border.

    Marketplace in danger of closing

    “The lack of practicality of these American citizens to cross over our international border to access basic necessities, their American property, loved ones and medical care is of grave concern,” Rule wrote.

    In the letter, Rule highlights that Point Roberts’ only grocery store is in danger of closing. Ali Hayton, the owner of International Marketplace, has announced she will be closing the store on July 15 due to continued heavy losses. Other representatives such as U.S. congresswoman Suzan DelBene (D-WA) have called for help to Point Roberts and other border town communities.

    Congresswoman Suzan DelBene (WA-01) sent a letter on June 23 to U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken calling on the Biden administration to reach an agreement with the Canadian government to grant the Point Roberts community an immediate exemption to current border restrictions and reopen the Boundary Bay border crossing.

    “The status quo is simply unacceptable. Leaders ultimately bear responsibility for the hardships faced by members of the Point Roberts community,” wrote DelBene. “We must act quickly to reach an adequate and safe solution before it is too late. I respectfully request that the United States and Canadian governments immediately grant the community of Point Roberts an exemption to the current border rules and reopen the Boundary Bay border crossing.”

    Whatcom County Executive Satpal Sidhu advised council that he had “met with the owner Ali Hayton last week when I visited Point Roberts. We were very hopeful that the border [would] open on June 22nd but it did not. The Port of Bellingham received $100,000 from the U.S. Departmen of Commerce for helping small businesses with $25,000 grants. The Port shall be sending these grant funds to the grocery store soon.

    “I had another conversation with the owner today and we discussed a possibility of them providing “meals on wheels” service in Point Roberts, which can be funded with Whatcom County funds. I have asked her for a proposal with some details. I will share that with you once I receive such a request. She feels this service can keep her employees busy and on the job.” 

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    Marin vs. Missouri

    There was a strange Covid-19 pattern in the U.S. for much of this spring. The virus was not spreading any faster in communities with low vaccination rates than in those with high vaccination rates.
    How could this have been? There were probably a few reasons. Many less vaccinated areas were in the South, where warm spring weather allowed people to socialize in the relative safety of the outdoors. Natural immunity might also have played a role — because people who have already had this coronavirus have at least some degree of protection against it.

    The pattern helped feed an impression among some Americans that Covid was in retreat, regardless of how much progress a community had made in getting shots into arms. In one poll of Tennessee residents last month, 51 percent agreed with the statement that “the Covid-19 pandemic is largely over.”
    But the pandemic is not over. Covid remains a serious threat to unvaccinated adults, especially those middle-aged or older. And now the surprising trends from the spring may be coming to an end: Cases have begun to rise more rapidly in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Consider this chart, which looks at the number of new cases in counties across the U.S., grouping counties by the share of residents who have been fully vaccinated:
     

    By The New York Times | Sources: State, county and regional health departments


    A month ago, a chart like this would have looked almost random, with little relationship between caseloads and vaccination rates. Now, there is a clear relationship. (A recent Washington Post analysis came to the same conclusion.)
    The vaccines and Delta

    One likely explanation is that vaccination rates have risen high enough in some communities to crush the spread of Covid. In the spring, these places were still coping with significant outbreaks, but they aren’t anymore.
    In Marin County, just over the Golden Gate Bridge from San Francisco, for instance, more than 90 percent of people aged 12 and above have received at least one shot. As a result, Marin has virtually extinguished the virus, with only three new confirmed cases per day in recent weeks.

    A second explanation for the new divergence between more and less vaccinated places is the Delta variant. It appears to be making vaccination even more valuable. The vaccines are effective against Delta, sharply reducing the chances of infection and nearly eliminating any chance of serious illness. For unvaccinated people, however, Delta is significantly more contagious than earlier variants.
    Missouri offers the clearest example. Over the past week, it has reported more new Covid cases per capita than any other state, and they are concentrated in rural areas that have low vaccination rates, as Charles Gaba, a health care analyst, has noted. In the parts of the state with high vaccination rates — like the metro areas of Kansas City, St. Louis and Columbia — the number of new cases remains very low.

    Red America’s problem
    There is a political angle to these trends, of course. The places with the lowest vaccination rates tend to be heavily Republican. In an average U.S. county that voted for Donald Trump, only 34 percent of people are fully vaccinated, according to New York Times data. In an average country that voted for Joe Biden, the share is 45 percent (and the share that has received at least one shot is higher).

     

    By The New York Times | Sources: State, county and regional health departments; National Election Pool/Edison Research

    No wonder, then, that the number of new cases keeps falling in Biden counties, while it has begun to rise in Trump counties.

    In previous newsletters, I have pointed out some of the questionable ways that liberal communities have responded to the current phase of the pandemic, such as keeping schools partly closed and insisting on masks for the vaccinated. But conservative communities have their own problems with Covid behavior. Many Republican voters have not taken the disease very seriously and also have irrational fears about the vaccines.
    It’s too early to know whether the recent trends will continue and cases will continue to rise in communities with low vaccination rates. But further increases do seem to be the most likely scenario, based on the experience with Delta in other countries where it is already widespread. Worldwide, cases have risen in recent days, after having fallen for most of the past two months. (You can see the data here.)


    Vaccination is how this pandemic ends. And the Delta variant seems to be raising the human cost of vaccine skepticism.
    More on the virus:

    • Drug overdoses have surged during the pandemic. In response, the Biden administration is embracing harm reduction instead of abstinence, The Times’s Abby Goodnough reports.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    a child under 10 passed away from Covid here in winnipeg the other day. just heartbreaking. 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    After how many ‘Muricans carried themselves and behaved over the past year and a half, I wouldn’t be eager to work in a public facing position either. People suck.
    No. Not at all. People are on vacation, at concerts, at the beach, shopping , flying, etc… people are making more staying home. That’s the one and only reason. 
    The one and only reason? That’s bs. It’s a reason but there are many others. 

    Like parents having to be home to look after kids who were not at school and for whom they could not find child care.

    Like health care workers who dealt with the stress and fear and pressure for a year and a half and decided it wasn’t worth it. 

    Like people who got laid off from their former positions when their workplaces closed and whose industries haven’t recovered yet. 

    Like people who left positions that pay much more than covid benefits due to daily harassment from customers or clients. 

    Those and other reasons weigh in just as much as the laziness that you assume
     

    Laziness I assume? What’s lazy about staying home and making more money than going to work? I’d take that deal any day. Working sucks. 
    Intake back “the one and only “ line. That is nonsense. There are other reasons as you stated. But IMO, this is the biggest reason. 


    Almost every small business in my neighborhood has a help wanted sign up, including mine. I would get applications the minute I would put that sign up. Now im lucky if one person comes in a week to inquire. I’ve never seen anything like it before. 
    It’s a joke. Nearly every fast food restaurant in my area has a help wanted sign offering $18 or $19/hr starting. meanwhile we extended the unemployment bonus again at the same time.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,876
    a child under 10 passed away from Covid here in winnipeg the other day. just heartbreaking. 
    This kind of shit kills my soul. As a father of 4 and lost 1 child you can never recover. Ever.


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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    a child under 10 passed away from Covid here in winnipeg the other day. just heartbreaking. 
    This kind of shit kills my soul. As a father of 4 and lost 1 child you can never recover. Ever.
    Me too and I’m so sorry for your loss….and your right, the death of a child…worst thing in the world 
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