Did the GOP just sign a death warrant for 6 million?
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Republican Sen. Ron Johnson cast doubt on the severity of federally issued guidance aimed at staunching the spread of the novel coronavirus, urging people to consider the economic drawbacks of the recommendations
"I'm not denying what a nasty disease COVID-19 can be, and how it's obviously devastating to somewhere between 1 and 3.4 percent of the population," Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Tuesday. "But that means 97 to 99 percent will get through this and develop immunities and will be able to move beyond this."
But we don't shut down our economy because tens of thousands of people die on the highways. It's a risk we accept so we can move about,"
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It's just a bad version of the flu. My garbage man used to be a doctor and told me so while picking up my trash.
"between 1 and 3.4 percent" of 320 million is not measured in thousands, a$$hole GOP Senator. Try many millions. Go back to sniffing Trump's arse.
The math is off but the premise isn’t crazy. Sure it might be too early to make this decision, but depending on how long it goes on it is a decision that might have to be made. I mean how long can we realistically let the world be at a complete standstill? 12 months, 18, 2 years? The best projections for a working vaccine suggest 18 months....what are we supposed to do until then? Especially those of us who have had their livelihoods put at major risk.
Look at what China did, look at what Italy is doing, learn from it. If we do not retard the spread of this the problem is going to be worse than if we do. Take a federal approach and get serious about keeping people away from each other. Focus all energies on the support system/working against the disease instead of trying to string things along. Stop any payments/collections. After the 30 days we have a better plan, we re-open stuff and find a way. Right now, it seems like we are letting everyone do what works best for them.
How in the heck is that going to get us the result we need?
I don't know the right answers....like I shared above, the take I watched yesterday on a national lockdown to protect the people & the economy for a short while seems like a better response than what we are doing now.
What scares me right now is read up on the lengths China went to just to get where they are now in 4 months. They were much more proactive and extreme.
This is a highly contagious and deadly asymptomatic disease, with a president spreading lies about it every day. Including this afternoon.
The key word is asymptomatic. That’s why China took drastic action. It’s very possible the US gets many more cases than China. Because their leadership understood the danger of asymptomatic disease and North Americans are too busy finding their comforts.
China took drastic action because they can take those actions there. The government controls everything, and can bust out the iron fist if so desired. You noticed how those in China who were sending info on the situation out of the country have disappeared? Not an accident. Wouldnt be surprised if the military there didn’t put a few folks down in the streets to reinforce the message to stay home. That’s why it worked there.
I don’t foresee the Marines being ordered out to mow down drunk college kids on Florida beaches to send a message to stay home anytime soon.
Did the GOP just sign a death warrant for 6 million?
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Republican Sen. Ron Johnson cast doubt on the severity of federally issued guidance aimed at staunching the spread of the novel coronavirus, urging people to consider the economic drawbacks of the recommendations
"I'm not denying what a nasty disease COVID-19 can be, and how it's obviously devastating to somewhere between 1 and 3.4 percent of the population," Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Tuesday. "But that means 97 to 99 percent will get through this and develop immunities and will be able to move beyond this."
But we don't shut down our economy because tens of thousands of people die on the highways. It's a risk we accept so we can move about,"
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It's just a bad version of the flu. My garbage man used to be a doctor and told me so while picking up my trash.
"between 1 and 3.4 percent" of 320 million is not measured in thousands, a$$hole GOP Senator. Try many millions. Go back to sniffing Trump's arse.
The math is off but the premise isn’t crazy. Sure it might be too early to make this decision, but depending on how long it goes on it is a decision that might have to be made. I mean how long can we realistically let the world be at a complete standstill? 12 months, 18, 2 years? The best projections for a working vaccine suggest 18 months....what are we supposed to do until then? Especially those of us who have had their livelihoods put at major risk.
You can check that data with the CDC, I’m not sure what inaccuracy you are citing.
At what point do you as a private citizen have the right to venture in public? Should there be some criteria that you are healthy and not a public health risk? we had to take the steps needed to save lives with a mostly asymptomatic disease where 80% are deadly carriers who probably thought they were healthy and comfortable, And the US failed to stop it while being told we did stop it. Now we suffer the consequences of that failed action and failed leadership.
Also before finding comfort, consider nearly half of those under 60 with preexisting conditions, in the general sense, are unaware of their preexisting condition. And therefore unaware of risks faced.
“ According to a new analysis by the Department of Health and Human Services, 50 to 129 million (19 to 50 percent of) non-elderly Americans have some type of pre-existing health condition. ”
Why the wide range? Because most of the younger population with such conditions are unaware. That is the problem with many comments in this topic. We are comfortable yet unaware we are a hazardous health risk.
The senators math is off because it could severely affect 10+million not Tens of thousands.
Was just on a large CDC Private Sector Partner group call with the Director, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, CDC
She had nothing really new to share beyond what we can read on their site. She sounded in favor of a larger lockdown but would not commit to anything being taken action on federally, stating that it is being left to local governing bodies to make their own determinations.
She did stress that the social distancing could and would work to slow this down, but it would only be effective if every community took it seriously.
(Which we know will not happen w/o enforcement.)
There were about 1,000 questions submitted -- some of them really interesting (things I had not thought/heard about) and some that were so totally fucking ignorant given the updates the CDC provides.
Was just on a large CDC Private Sector Partner group call with the Director, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, CDC
She had nothing really new to share beyond what we can read on their site. She sounded in favor of a larger lockdown but would not commit to anything being taken action on federally, stating that it is being left to local governing bodies to make their own determinations.
She did stress that the social distancing could and would work to slow this down, but it would only be effective if every community took it seriously.
(Which we know will not happen w/o enforcement.)
There were about 1,000 questions submitted -- some of them really interesting (things I had not thought/heard about) and some that were so totally fucking ignorant given the updates the CDC provides.
Was just on a large CDC Private Sector Partner group call with the Director, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, CDC
She had nothing really new to share beyond what we can read on their site. She sounded in favor of a larger lockdown but would not commit to anything being taken action on federally, stating that it is being left to local governing bodies to make their own determinations.
She did stress that the social distancing could and would work to slow this down, but it would only be effective if every community took it seriously.
(Which we know will not happen w/o enforcement.)
There were about 1,000 questions submitted -- some of them really interesting (things I had not thought/heard about) and some that were so totally fucking ignorant given the updates the CDC provides.
Was just on a large CDC Private Sector Partner group call with the Director, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, CDC
She had nothing really new to share beyond what we can read on their site. She sounded in favor of a larger lockdown but would not commit to anything being taken action on federally, stating that it is being left to local governing bodies to make their own determinations.
She did stress that the social distancing could and would work to slow this down, but it would only be effective if every community took it seriously.
(Which we know will not happen w/o enforcement.)
There were about 1,000 questions submitted -- some of them really interesting (things I had not thought/heard about) and some that were so totally fucking ignorant given the updates the CDC provides.
Did the GOP just sign a death warrant for 6 million?
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Republican Sen. Ron Johnson cast doubt on the severity of federally issued guidance aimed at staunching the spread of the novel coronavirus, urging people to consider the economic drawbacks of the recommendations
"I'm not denying what a nasty disease COVID-19 can be, and how it's obviously devastating to somewhere between 1 and 3.4 percent of the population," Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Tuesday. "But that means 97 to 99 percent will get through this and develop immunities and will be able to move beyond this."
But we don't shut down our economy because tens of thousands of people die on the highways. It's a risk we accept so we can move about,"
...
It's just a bad version of the flu. My garbage man used to be a doctor and told me so while picking up my trash.
"between 1 and 3.4 percent" of 320 million is not measured in thousands, a$$hole GOP Senator. Try many millions. Go back to sniffing Trump's arse.
The math is off but the premise isn’t crazy. Sure it might be too early to make this decision, but depending on how long it goes on it is a decision that might have to be made. I mean how long can we realistically let the world be at a complete standstill? 12 months, 18, 2 years? The best projections for a working vaccine suggest 18 months....what are we supposed to do until then? Especially those of us who have had their livelihoods put at major risk.
Look at what China did, look at what Italy is doing, learn from it. If we do not retard the spread of this the problem is going to be worse than if we do. Take a federal approach and get serious about keeping people away from each other. Focus all energies on the support system/working against the disease instead of trying to string things along. Stop any payments/collections. After the 30 days we have a better plan, we re-open stuff and find a way. Right now, it seems like we are letting everyone do what works best for them.
How in the heck is that going to get us the result we need?
I don't know the right answers....like I shared above, the take I watched yesterday on a national lockdown to protect the people & the economy for a short while seems like a better response than what we are doing now.
What scares me right now is read up on the lengths China went to just to get where they are now in 4 months. They were much more proactive and extreme.
This is a highly contagious and deadly asymptomatic disease, with a president spreading lies about it every day. Including this afternoon.
The key word is asymptomatic. That’s why China took drastic action. It’s very possible the US gets many more cases than China. Because their leadership understood the danger of asymptomatic disease and North Americans are too busy finding their comforts.
It’s also easier to subdue mass population that has been under total control for generations, we here are free free in every way so how do you get all of the NY boroughs to shelter down? I could stay in my suburban house for months with out bumping into another human! Work is different I work for Northwell @Manhassett it’s a danger zone..
The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee warned a small group of well-connected constituents three weeks ago to prepare for dire economic and societal effects of the coronavirus, according to a secret recording obtained by NPR.
The remarks from U.S. Sen. Richard Burr were more stark than any he had delivered in more public forums.
On Feb. 27, when the United States had 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19, President Trump was tamping down fears and suggesting that the virus could be seasonal.
"It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle. It will disappear," the president said then, before adding, "it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens."
On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.
So, what is the solution/best option to control covid in the US?
Seeing how isolating has helped in China, I think that is the way to go. But honestly (and I know a lot of people don't want to hear this), I don't think they did it long enough. Michael Osterholm- who seems like one of the best informed disease specialists out there- believes more cases will begin to appear again in China because they did not shut down long enough. From what I've read, my hunch is that it will take several months on social distancing and isolating, maybe even 12 to 18 months. I know not everyone can do that, but those who can, should.
Please don't anyone say, "That's easy for you to say." I've had to give up three of the things that bring me the most pleasure and feeling of worth in life: My job at the bookstore, my book and record scouting, and my little vinyl business." I'm letting go most of the things I love best to try to help.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee warned a small group of well-connected constituents three weeks ago to prepare for dire economic and societal effects of the coronavirus, according to a secret recording obtained by NPR.
The remarks from U.S. Sen. Richard Burr were more stark than any he had delivered in more public forums.
On Feb. 27, when the United States had 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19, President Trump was tamping down fears and suggesting that the virus could be seasonal.
"It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle. It will disappear," the president said then, before adding, "it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens."
On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.
The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee warned a small group of well-connected constituents three weeks ago to prepare for dire economic and societal effects of the coronavirus, according to a secret recording obtained by NPR.
The remarks from U.S. Sen. Richard Burr were more stark than any he had delivered in more public forums.
On Feb. 27, when the United States had 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19, President Trump was tamping down fears and suggesting that the virus could be seasonal.
"It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle. It will disappear," the president said then, before adding, "it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens."
On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.
I just got out of my GP's office and she reckons this will take 6 months and unless you are elderly and have a pre-existing condition there is no need to panic.
please please tell me she didn't say that. do not listen to her and maybe find a new doctor
Why?
People need to keep a level head.
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Billygoatgruff... I read that this am and sorry to hear about the 4th. Damn, that lady had 11 kids! Those were the days...
Day 5 isolating. Only indoor I hit was the bank during that time. 12 cases in my region today. So, I'm with you on that, Bri.
Em, I love the photo!
Here's our self care outing pic of the day. Was nice, the kid kicked out the PJams with the top down finally! We hit different beaches daily (which are not crowded).
That the smallest lake around that warms up early where I like to ski! The white stuff is snow.
Peace!
Inspiration to get out more, Tish! We took a walk up our road yesterday and it was great. It was the firs time I left the house Since Sunday. Getting some exercise and fresh air is a must!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee warned a small group of well-connected constituents three weeks ago to prepare for dire economic and societal effects of the coronavirus, according to a secret recording obtained by NPR.
The remarks from U.S. Sen. Richard Burr were more stark than any he had delivered in more public forums.
On Feb. 27, when the United States had 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19, President Trump was tamping down fears and suggesting that the virus could be seasonal.
"It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle. It will disappear," the president said then, before adding, "it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens."
On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.
Yay! Glad to hear, Mr. B. Get your butt moving again!!! I gotta keep the kid from getting too cooped up while we can!!
Today my airline finally allowed me 24 months from date of purchase to postpone. I finally cancelled. Initially, they wanted me to fly by mid-September and then a couple of days ago, they conceded to end of December. The carrier adopted a no refund policy as of last night.
The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee warned a small group of well-connected constituents three weeks ago to prepare for dire economic and societal effects of the coronavirus, according to a secret recording obtained by NPR.
The remarks from U.S. Sen. Richard Burr were more stark than any he had delivered in more public forums.
On Feb. 27, when the United States had 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19, President Trump was tamping down fears and suggesting that the virus could be seasonal.
"It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle. It will disappear," the president said then, before adding, "it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens."
On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.
I till don't see what closing schools will do when kids are not in danger of dying from it(?)
Send all kids to a Camp Crystal Lake type scenario where they can all get sick and live through it and be immune -- and not affect the rest of the population when they come back.
You're better than this. Cordoning off children to introduce them all to a disease "not typically" fatal to young people is wrong on so many levels, and verges on human experimentation.
Seems like infectious disease physicians are on a similar page as me:
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[infectious disease physicians] Jonas Ahl believes that Sweden has so far made the right corona decision.
Incredibly worthwhile if half the population becomes immune
- It is incredibly tough for the Public Health Authority to stand up. The politician-driven decisions that we see in other countries I feel are partly populist and not based on facts. Our Swedish politicians have been brave here and leaned against the expertise, he says.
- The pressure on them to act is great, but it is probably wise to act more sensibly. In a free society we cannot keep the cases to zero because then we have to weld the doors of people like they did in China and our society does not work. We must focus on protecting the old.
The infectious doctor believes it is good if Sweden's young population can gain some immunity while the old ones protect themselves. For the virus will remain forever.
- If schools close now, what happens when they open again? Should we close the community again this fall? It is incredibly worthwhile if half the population is immune to the fall.
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And with that, I'm A-OK with not being *reading your post* "better than this".
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I belong to plant fitness but for now this will have to do. I d love to get an elliptical or bike.
Cool have to do what you have too sometimes..
Nice set up. I live in a small apartment in NYC, so I am really missing my gym. I just ordered one set of dumbbells from Amazon that arrived yesterday, and have been running outside (which I will keep doing until they tell me I can't). If we can't keep exercising we are all going to come out of this looking like veal.
Billygoatgruff... I read that this am and sorry to hear about the 4th. Damn, that lady had 11 kids! Those were the days...
Day 5 isolating. Only indoor I hit was the bank during that time. 12 cases in my region today. So, I'm with you on that, Bri.
Em, I love the photo!
Here's our self care outing pic of the day. Was nice, the kid kicked out the PJams with the top down finally! We hit different beaches daily (which are not crowded).
That the smallest lake around that warms up early where I like to ski! The white stuff is snow.
Peace!
Thank you everyone for the kind words. My wife knew them a lot better (lived next door to them for close to ten years in first marriage) and she is really really hurting. It was such a close knit family, they can't grieve together, they can't be together in any capactiy, there is no funeral as of now. The rest of the family is just waiting to see if they develop symptoms while in lock down. Took a nice 2.25 mile jog today...cleared my mind. Good stuff. Can't wait to listen to some new pj, seriously this band is really helping. Channel 22 is god like lol. Stay healthy everyone!
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I don’t foresee the Marines being ordered out to mow down drunk college kids on Florida beaches to send a message to stay home anytime soon.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
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My condolences. I hope you and your family are doing OK.
Day 5 isolating. Only indoor I hit was the bank during that time. 12 cases in my region today. So, I'm with you on that, Bri.
Peace!
Inspiration to get out more, Tish! We took a walk up our road yesterday and it was great. It was the firs time I left the house Since Sunday. Getting some exercise and fresh air is a must!
Today my airline finally allowed me 24 months from date of purchase to postpone. I finally cancelled. Initially, they wanted me to fly by mid-September and then a couple of days ago, they conceded to end of December. The carrier adopted a no refund policy as of last night.
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And with that, I'm A-OK with not being *reading your post* "better than this".
Took a nice 2.25 mile jog today...cleared my mind. Good stuff.
Can't wait to listen to some new pj, seriously this band is really helping. Channel 22 is god like lol. Stay healthy everyone!