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  • Saltzy23Saltzy23 Posts: 1,350
    I'm really starting to freak out.  If this keeps going in the direction it is, hospitals are gonna get overwhelmed, and doctors and nurses will start to get sick.  

    We need to start getting a handle on this quickly, or this could really get bad.
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
    I'm starting to worry about being able to buy groceries. Went early this morning and shelves are empty. What to eat for lunch and dinner. They'll have to start with rations. Stupid selfish idiots bulk buying.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,577

    dignin said:
    If you don't want bad news, don't read this thread.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696?s=20
    So course, an idiot like me takes it as a dare and reads it (my dumb/ my bad)...
    Saltzy23 said:
    I'm really starting to freak out.  If this keeps going in the direction it is, hospitals are gonna get overwhelmed, and doctors and nurses will start to get sick.  

    We need to start getting a handle on this quickly, or this could really get bad.
    ...and, along with Saltzy,  feel freaked out.

    But at the end of digin's link the guy says this:

    "It's easy to get people to come together in common sacrifice in the middle of a war. It's very hard to get them to do so in a pandemic that looks invisible precisely because suppression methods are working. But that's exactly what we're going to have to do. /end"

    So instead of freaking out, which does nothing but lower our immune system, I suggest we do what makes sense- washing  hands, social distancing,  isolating if possible, stay home whenever possible, help those less fortunate than ourselves, and all the things we need to do to slow this thing down. 

    Be positive and proactive.  Do what needs to be done.  Anything else makes no sense.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,577
    And be thankful for the internet that keeps us informed, but just as importantly, gives us something to do and a way to keep in touch with good folks far and wide.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,577
    There are some extraordinary people out there in the health care field.  We have a friends whose daughter is like a second child to my wife- she is very close to us.  She works in a major hospital in the Bay Area and recently had a teenage patient admitted who stopped breathing.  This young woman couldn't get access to any safely gear- no mask, no goggles, but went ahead and worked on the kid and saved his life.  He was then tested for COVID-19 and the test came out negative.  Oh man, the relief hearing that is beyond words.  Some true heroes out there.
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  • rhanishanerhanishane Posts: 505
    6 have died in Aus now. 5 of them in NSW. Gatherings indoors are now reduced to 100 and outdoors is 500 with keeping a distance of 1.5 metres between people. My friend and work colleague is being tested tomorrow as she has been in contact with someone who's daughter tested positive. It's only as a precaution. Numbers are still rising quite fast. They refuse to close schools even though clubs are doing head counts and only allowing 100 patrons and closing down eatery's within malls and clubs. Casinos are shutting every second poker machine and closing gaming tables to separate and keep numbers down.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,059
    I till don't see what closing schools will do when kids are not in danger of dying from it(?)

    Send all kids to a Camp Crystal Lake type scenario where they can all get sick and live through it and be immune -- and not affect the rest of the population when they come back.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,059
    edited March 2020
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,059
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
    I barely managed to get ingredients to make dinner tomorrow during my evening visit to the supermarket.
    No meat, barely any canned food.
    No toilet paper.
    At least our football season is going ahead.
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
    6 have died in Aus now. 5 of them in NSW. Gatherings indoors are now reduced to 100 and outdoors is 500 with keeping a distance of 1.5 metres between people. My friend and work colleague is being tested tomorrow as she has been in contact with someone who's daughter tested positive. It's only as a precaution. Numbers are still rising quite fast. They refuse to close schools even though clubs are doing head counts and only allowing 100 patrons and closing down eatery's within malls and clubs. Casinos are shutting every second poker machine and closing gaming tables to separate and keep numbers down.
    At least the AFL season is happening.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
    I couldn't see my dad at hospital today. Only one visitor allowed so my mum has been with him.
    He's fine, just had a procedure.
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,469
    My sister  in law has a biopsy on a lump in her tongue  that was an urgent case as they  suspect cancer. Cancelled when she arrived. This is what is happening. The ripple effects of our strained system will cause deaths and terminal illness.   She now has to go home and wait  to hear what happens. I cant imagine her fear .
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,405
    I till don't see what closing schools will do when kids are not in danger of dying from it(?)

    Send all kids to a Camp Crystal Lake type scenario where they can all get sick and live through it and be immune -- and not affect the rest of the population when they come back.
    Because the kids can carry it....come on man
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,097
    I till don't see what closing schools will do when kids are not in danger of dying from it(?)

    Send all kids to a Camp Crystal Lake type scenario where they can all get sick and live through it and be immune -- and not affect the rest of the population when they come back.
    You're better than this. Cordoning off children to introduce them all to a disease "not typically" fatal to young people is wrong on so many levels, and verges on human experimentation.
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,469
    Dr.john campbell has a you tube channel. Its the only one i will  watch. He is a retired dr. In uk. Nothing but fact on there.  Just  letting anyone who is bombarded  know. 
    Best stick to facts.  Be safe everyone. Wishing you all some moment  of peace. 
    If you  can find it
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,315
    It's times like these that we really see who people are and who can deal with adversity in a productive manner.  Not only will this pandemic change the world for a period of time in all the ways already mentioned, it will change the leadership.  People will step up and the world will recognize it.  Will be interesting to see what kind of leader we get from this down the line.


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  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Posts: 1,019
    Dr.john campbell has a you tube channel. Its the only one i will  watch. He is a retired dr. In uk. Nothing but fact on there.  Just  letting anyone who is bombarded  know. 
    Best stick to facts.  Be safe everyone. Wishing you all some moment  of peace. 
    If you  can find it

    I've been watching his videos for a couple of weeks now. He's very informative. https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/videos

  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331
    brianlux said:

    dignin said:
    If you don't want bad news, don't read this thread.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696?s=20
    So course, an idiot like me takes it as a dare and reads it (my dumb/ my bad)...
    Saltzy23 said:
    I'm really starting to freak out.  If this keeps going in the direction it is, hospitals are gonna get overwhelmed, and doctors and nurses will start to get sick.  

    We need to start getting a handle on this quickly, or this could really get bad.
    ...and, along with Saltzy,  feel freaked out.

    But at the end of digin's link the guy says this:

    "It's easy to get people to come together in common sacrifice in the middle of a war. It's very hard to get them to do so in a pandemic that looks invisible precisely because suppression methods are working. But that's exactly what we're going to have to do. /end"

    So instead of freaking out, which does nothing but lower our immune system, I suggest we do what makes sense- washing  hands, social distancing,  isolating if possible, stay home whenever possible, help those less fortunate than ourselves, and all the things we need to do to slow this thing down. 

    Be positive and proactive.  Do what needs to be done.  Anything else makes no sense.
    Sorry Brian, I just want people to be aware and prepared.
  • ponytdponytd Posts: 654
    bbiggs said:
    The data is clear that elderly people are not able to fight off this virus well; however, I wonder if there are cases where someone in their 80's HAS fully recovered.  You would think those cases do exist based on the amount of people that have contracted the virus.  Anyone see any news in regards to this?


    According to China's data, the fatality rate was around 20% for those over 80 and 1% and lower for those under 50. 

    I'd expect to US over 80 rates to be lower.
    Why do you expect US over 80 fatality rates to be lower than China’s? China has a higher healthy life expectancy rate than the US - that is, older Chinese are healthier than older Americans. Not surprising, considering the differences in diet, rates of obesity; etc
    the US ranks 35th globally in life expectancy(which is sad) with avg age of 78.9. China ranks 54th with an avg age of 76.7  Hong Kong is 1st with 84 avg age.


  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,844
    ponytd said:
    bbiggs said:
    The data is clear that elderly people are not able to fight off this virus well; however, I wonder if there are cases where someone in their 80's HAS fully recovered.  You would think those cases do exist based on the amount of people that have contracted the virus.  Anyone see any news in regards to this?


    According to China's data, the fatality rate was around 20% for those over 80 and 1% and lower for those under 50. 

    I'd expect to US over 80 rates to be lower.
    Why do you expect US over 80 fatality rates to be lower than China’s? China has a higher healthy life expectancy rate than the US - that is, older Chinese are healthier than older Americans. Not surprising, considering the differences in diet, rates of obesity; etc
    the US ranks 35th globally in life expectancy(which is sad) with avg age of 78.9. China ranks 54th with an avg age of 76.7  Hong Kong is 1st with 84 avg age.


    As of 2016, China had a longer healthier life expectancy than the US, which is the fact I referenced. American life expectancy is slightly (slightly) longer, but healthy life expectancy is shorter - i.e. the years you spend in relatively good health before you die.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Northern border now being closed except to trade and essential travel...
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Some projections that self isolation and quarantine need to be in place for up to 18 months.  What are the thoughts of some of you more informed than I?  How do you essentially freeze the economy for over a year and keep people as home bound as possible without huge societal problems?
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    static111 said:
    Some projections that self isolation and quarantine need to be in place for up to 18 months.  What are the thoughts of some of you more informed than I?  How do you essentially freeze the economy for over a year and keep people as home bound as possible without huge societal problems?
    It simply won't, and can't, go on that long.  I'd bet more people would be succumbing to malnutrition and starvation than succumbing to the virus after a year.  At some point, life will resume regardless of how many fatalities and hospitalizations are occuring.
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  • ponytdponytd Posts: 654
    ponytd said:
    bbiggs said:
    The data is clear that elderly people are not able to fight off this virus well; however, I wonder if there are cases where someone in their 80's HAS fully recovered.  You would think those cases do exist based on the amount of people that have contracted the virus.  Anyone see any news in regards to this?


    According to China's data, the fatality rate was around 20% for those over 80 and 1% and lower for those under 50. 

    I'd expect to US over 80 rates to be lower.
    Why do you expect US over 80 fatality rates to be lower than China’s? China has a higher healthy life expectancy rate than the US - that is, older Chinese are healthier than older Americans. Not surprising, considering the differences in diet, rates of obesity; etc
    the US ranks 35th globally in life expectancy(which is sad) with avg age of 78.9. China ranks 54th with an avg age of 76.7  Hong Kong is 1st with 84 avg age.


    As of 2016, China had a longer healthier life expectancy than the US, which is the fact I referenced. American life expectancy is slightly (slightly) longer, but healthy life expectancy is shorter - i.e. the years you spend in relatively good health before you die.
    Gotcha. Yeah, I was just going by straight up years
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,132
    Shelter in place is next here in NY..
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  • Saltzy23Saltzy23 Posts: 1,350
    edited March 2020
    Shelter in place is next here in NY..
    Followed by all bridges, tunnels, and trains being shut down.

    Then, we sit back for 2-3 weeks and pray to God people finally start listening and we make it through this in one piece.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,383
    edited March 2020
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,625
    Saltzy23 said:
    Shelter in place is next here in NY..
    Followed by all bridges, tunnels, and trains being shut down.

    Then, we sit back for 2-3 weeks and pray to God people finally start listening and we make it through this in one piece.
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