The coronavirus

Lerxst1992

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.cincybearcat said:

You know this is kinda why I hate people. Everyone saying trump should say what the medical people want him to, then he does and people make fun of the advice. 

Before you bring out the hate, please interpret his key and very important sentence- 

"These prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other things as we get approval. Anything coming from Europe to the United States is what we are discussing. These restrictions will also not apply to the United Kingdom."

bbiggs

tempo_n_groove said:

Well this has gotten wayyyyyyyyyyyyy bigger than I thought it would.

Anyone know where you can pull real numbers from?  That Hopkins site was sketchy for me.

There are no accurate figures for cases in the U.S. yet because we've only tested a fraction of the population that should have been tested.  Now that test kits are becoming readily available, we'll know within the next couple of days.  Buckle up once the real numbers are revealed...

rgambs

We have community spread now in Ohio.
200 test kits available.  
This is what happens when anti-science conservatives control government because...her emails.

josevolution

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/607807/
doctors have to make the call who gets treated and who doesn’t, think about that 

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

You know this is kinda why I hate people. Everyone saying trump should say what the medical people want him to, then he does and people make fun of the advice. 

What did you consider “some meat?”

It's a good question and just seeing it.  Been spending a lot of time talking Covid-19 from a family (some high risk people in my immediate family) and for work actually so hadn't gotten back.

Just to be clear, it wasn;t a great speech by any means.  I did listen to MSNBC and CNN on the radio on my commute. Out of the 30 minutes of my listening 23 were about trump and how bad he's been and the problem with the speech.  4 minutes were seemingly just trying to create a sense of urgency (at best...or panic at worst).  And 3 minutes were on what people can do and some real information.  This concerns me.  Sure trump's speech wasn;t great, but it doesn't have to make the news content not great too, but they are letting it.

The meat - and as they've clarified it seems not as meaty - was the discussion of people staying home is sick.  Was about not having to pay for ... well at first it was treatment then it was only the test.  About the impacts to people directly in regards to their work and pay.  And about how to support businesses to enable this.   It was a short speech so I didn;t expect amazing, beautiful details.

That said, since I'm used to trump now I kinda tune out some of the things he says or how he says them...and there were parts that I ignored that were pretty bad.

I also think this step is too late.  It will help some...but the virus is already here and it did not provide country-wide policies (crowd size, schools, etc).  So it will help, but it is not enough and we are 1-2 weeks away from another televised speech that will get into those things (too late).

Lerxst1992

HesCalledDyer said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_TUP2vuaDs

Eye on the TV
'Cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor it happens to be like
Killed by the husband
Drowned by the ocean
Shot by his own son
She used a poison
In his tea
And kissed him goodbye
That's my kind of story
It's no fun until someone dies

Don't look at me like
I am a monster
Frown out your one face
But with the other
Stare like a junkie
Into the TV
Stare like a zombie
While the mother
Holds her child
Watches him die
Hands to the sky crying
"Why, oh why?"

'Cause I need to watch things die
From a distance
Vicariously I live
While the whole world dies
You all need it too, don't lie

Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing
Neither the brave nor bold
Were writers of the stories told
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing

I need to watch things die
From a good safe distance
Vicariously I live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same, so
Why can't we just admit it?

Blood like rain come down
Drum on grave and ground

Part vampire
Part warrior
Carnivore and voyeur
Stare at the transmittal
Sing to the death rattle

La, la, la, la, la, la-la-lie
La, la, la, la, la, la-la-lie
La, la, la, la, la, la-la-lie
La, la, la, la, la, la-la-lie

Credulous at best
Your desire to believe in
Angels in the hearts of men
Pull your head out of your hippie haze
And give a listen
Shouldn't have to say it all again
The universe is hostile, so impersonal
Devour to survive, so it is
So it's always been

We all feed on tragedy
It's like blood to a vampire

Vicariously I
Live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I

Waiting for 2 Tool shows at end of april to be postponed. 

Gern Blansten

This may have a devastating effect on small businesses....specifically restaurants.  It's amazing how things can be humming along nicely and then the bottom just drops out.

Locally I'm thinking about all of the blue collar jobs revolving around sports that are now cancelled.  The Big 10 tourney in Indy will not allow fans. Local hockey team is likely to suspend fans from games.  Think about all of the security and concession personnel that will not be working for a FEW MONTHS.  This is going to get deep I'm afraid.  The unemployment rate is going to jump significantly.  

bbiggs

josevolution said:

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/607807/
doctors have to make the call who gets treated and who doesn’t, think about that 

Heart-breaking. 

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

So far the coronavirus has cost me 3 Pearl Jam concerts With friends and family and a ncaa tournament trip with my dad. Not to mention a spring break girls trip for my wife and daughter. And a few other big deals for my family I don’t care to mention specifically.

im concerned about the health of a few specific people close to me. And sad for those who have been effected in the most awful way.  This is just all bad. And no joke, the world needs to figure out how to hold China accountable for their continued nonsense 

What exactly is it China is to be accountable for here and what is their "continued nonsense" in relations to this? 

With some of you focusing so hard on them in here, instead of how your own government is handling it, I would like to know.

The pandemic and putting people at risk due to poor conditions and coverups.  China is a very bad actor in every sense.

 Exactly how trump is acting too...so US keeps this up, if our behaviors contribute to the pandemic lingering or being worse...then trump and the admin need to be held accountable too.

josevolution

There’s probably no more than 1million hospital beds total in this nation as we speak and probably no more than 100k ventilators total , we are not prepared!

Lerxst1992

josevolution said:

There’s probably no more than 1million hospital beds total in this nation as we speak and probably no more than 100k ventilators total , we are not prepared!

And when those emergency services are full, how will the normal illnesses, heart attacks etc get treated?

josevolution

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

There’s probably no more than 1million hospital beds total in this nation as we speak and probably no more than 100k ventilators total , we are not prepared!

And when those emergency services are full, how will the normal illnesses, heart attacks etc get treated?

They will only in emergencies, I’ve heard to doctors already stated that elective surgeries will be pushed to the side , so they can treat the infected people..

bbiggs

josevolution said:

There’s probably no more than 1million hospital beds total in this nation as we speak and probably no more than 100k ventilators total , we are not prepared!

The world was not prepared for this.  Tragically, we will be faced with the same situation Italy is faced with; having to choose who gets proper care based on their chances of survival.  Scary, heart-breaking...not enough adjectives.

mrussel1

rgambs said:

We have community spread now in Ohio.
200 test kits available.  
This is what happens when anti-science conservatives control government because...her emails.

I feel like you're forgetting the importance of Benghazi when hating science.  

Lerxst1992

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

There’s probably no more than 1million hospital beds total in this nation as we speak and probably no more than 100k ventilators total , we are not prepared!

And when those emergency services are full, how will the normal illnesses, heart attacks etc get treated?

They will only in emergencies, I’ve heard to doctors already stated that elective surgeries will be pushed to the side , so they can treat the infected people..

Yes, I recall that comment. But there comes a point if projections come true and the virus fills all of the beds and emergency rooms, there is possibly not enough capacity to handle emergencies let alone normal care.

rgambs

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

We have community spread now in Ohio.
200 test kits available.  
This is what happens when anti-science conservatives control government because...her emails.

I feel like you're forgetting the importance of Benghazi when hating science.  

I am from Ohio, when it comes to Benghazi, I #NeverForget!

josevolution

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

There’s probably no more than 1million hospital beds total in this nation as we speak and probably no more than 100k ventilators total , we are not prepared!

And when those emergency services are full, how will the normal illnesses, heart attacks etc get treated?

They will only in emergencies, I’ve heard to doctors already stated that elective surgeries will be pushed to the side , so they can treat the infected people..

Yes, I recall that comment. But there comes a point if projections come true and the virus fills all of the beds and emergency rooms, there is possibly not enough capacity to handle emergencies let alone normal care.

bbiggs said:

josevolution said:

There’s probably no more than 1million hospital beds total in this nation as we speak and probably no more than 100k ventilators total , we are not prepared!

The world was not prepared for this.  Tragically, we will be faced with the same situation Italy is faced with; having to choose who gets proper care based on their chances of survival.  Scary, heart-breaking...not enough adjectives.

Agreed 

mrussel1

rgambs said:

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

We have community spread now in Ohio.
200 test kits available.  
This is what happens when anti-science conservatives control government because...her emails.

I feel like you're forgetting the importance of Benghazi when hating science.  

I am from Ohio, when it comes to Benghazi, I #NeverForget!

haha touche. 

mace1229

bbiggs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Well this has gotten wayyyyyyyyyyyyy bigger than I thought it would.

Anyone know where you can pull real numbers from?  That Hopkins site was sketchy for me.

There are no accurate figures for cases in the U.S. yet because we've only tested a fraction of the population that should have been tested.  Now that test kits are becoming readily available, we'll know within the next couple of days.  Buckle up once the real numbers are revealed...

I read yesterday, I forget where, that you will only be tested if you have the various symptoms AND have been in contact with a person who tested positive OR traveled out of the country.
That covers 0% of those infected through community spread.

josevolution

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

There’s probably no more than 1million hospital beds total in this nation as we speak and probably no more than 100k ventilators total , we are not prepared!

And when those emergency services are full, how will the normal illnesses, heart attacks etc get treated?

They will only in emergencies, I’ve heard to doctors already stated that elective surgeries will be pushed to the side , so they can treat the infected people..

Yes, I recall that comment. But there comes a point if projections come true and the virus fills all of the beds and emergency rooms, there is possibly not enough capacity to handle emergencies let alone normal care.

Yes these scenarios can def come true!