The coronavirus

josevolution

Weston1283 said:

josevolution said:

Weston1283 said:

tish said:

Weston1283 said:

In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.

Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 

I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal

End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.

What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on

My answer is to always protect myself! C19 is here to stay it will never be stomped out, I won’t put myself in dangerous situations I’m ok never attending a concert again I’m 60 I can just live the rest of my life in a boring existence no problem! 

JeBurkhardt

mickeyrat said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Weston1283 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I don't see how Covid ever goes away.  It is like a Flu so won't it just keep coming back?  Will we have to get a shot every year?

Yes I’m fully expecting to get a covid booster with my flu shot this fall (and every year)

I've never received a flu shot in my life.  It will suck if I have to do this every year now...

Same

so question for you both.

did you ever come down with a flu over the years?

I had a flu shot while in boot camp 1988. had a couple rough days. didnt have another til last year.

reason was 2 fold.

got knocked down HARD in Jan of 20 then had lingering chest/lung pain for 3 weeks. the coughing....

since many symptoms overlapped, I decided it smart to get the flu vax (some senior version. wtf I'm that old now?)

am now fully vaxxed approx 3 weeks since 2nd shot.

The last year I was in the Navy, I tried to avoid getting my Flu shot. I don't remember why, I just remember telling my CPO that I wasn't getting the shot. After a couple of minutes of his blistering cussing, I headed over to base medical to get my Flu shot. I didn't get one for years afterwards, but a few years ago my doctor suggested I get one due to my "advancing age". Now I get one every year, and my employer has a program with our insurance company that we get a $50 gift card for getting the Flu shot. More money for vinyl!

Merkin Baller

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Weston1283 said:

josevolution said:

Weston1283 said:

tish said:

Weston1283 said:

In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.

Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 

I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal

End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.

What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on

Do you have children?
No judgement, just a question.

And yes, I know we don’t have an approved vaccine for those under 16.  Im sure there is an argument somewhere in there saying that we need to wait for that day to come.  

All I’m saying is this.  In my opinion, to the vast majority of the country, the vaccine was an endpoint.  Friends and family members of mine who were incredibly cautious are now gathering, hugging, celebrating.  Many of my colleagues have stated patients have gotten lazy with masks wearing and many patients have started reaching out to shake our hands (and every doctor I’ve talked to has said they’ve started shaking them back)

So yes, I think to the majority of the country, the vaccine was an end point.  Not saying it’s right or wrong, but it’s the way it is.  The level of concern is dropping as fast as the number of deaths is, the country is reopening, the vaccine works incredibly well, and I think by the end of summer we will be back to 100% normalcy.

If it's wrong, then how the hell are we going to be back to 100% normalcy by summer's end? 

This is an honest question, less than a third of the country is vaccinated at the moment and people are letting their guard down prematurely... I want to be positive and optimistic as much as you, but if variants out smart the vaccine, normalcy is a fantasy. 


I get being frustrated w/ people who as you put it, 'genuinely don't want the pandemic to end" but I don't think this group exists to the extent that certain media act like they are. And they certainly don't exist to the extent of the anti-maskers / conspiracy people do, so to get as frustrated with the former as you do the latter... this is a viewpoint I genuinely can't understand. 

Weston1283

Merkin Baller said:

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Weston1283 said:

josevolution said:

Weston1283 said:

tish said:

Weston1283 said:

In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.

Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 

I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal

End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.

What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on

Do you have children?
No judgement, just a question.

And yes, I know we don’t have an approved vaccine for those under 16.  Im sure there is an argument somewhere in there saying that we need to wait for that day to come.  

All I’m saying is this.  In my opinion, to the vast majority of the country, the vaccine was an endpoint.  Friends and family members of mine who were incredibly cautious are now gathering, hugging, celebrating.  Many of my colleagues have stated patients have gotten lazy with masks wearing and many patients have started reaching out to shake our hands (and every doctor I’ve talked to has said they’ve started shaking them back)

So yes, I think to the majority of the country, the vaccine was an end point.  Not saying it’s right or wrong, but it’s the way it is.  The level of concern is dropping as fast as the number of deaths is, the country is reopening, the vaccine works incredibly well, and I think by the end of summer we will be back to 100% normalcy.

If it's wrong, then how the hell are we going to be back to 100% normalcy by summer's end? 

This is an honest question, less than a third of the country is vaccinated at the moment and people are letting their guard down prematurely... I want to be positive and optimistic as much as you, but if variants out smart the vaccine, normalcy is a fantasy. 


I get being frustrated w/ people who as you put it, 'genuinely don't want the pandemic to end" but I don't think this group exists to the extent that certain media act like they are. And they certainly don't exist to the extent of the anti-maskers / conspiracy people do, so to get as frustrated with the former as you do the latter... this is a viewpoint I genuinely can't understand. 

I can see why my viewpoint may be frustrating, and you don’t have to agree with it.  

The anti vaxxers frustrate the hell out of me because not one person has really had a proper explanation for not getting it except for an occasional allergy restriction 

The people, who yes is a much smaller crowd, who don’t think we should ever go back to normal until covid is eradicated and every human on the planet is vaccinated also frustrate me because that was a solution that hasn’t been ever possible since March of 2020

People are free to and should always protect themselves.  But by the end of summer, the federal govt and state governments will likely allow folks to live restriction free (except masks, This is the one thing that may remain in place for a long time in some settings) and I just feel that 80-90% of people will choose to get back to normal. 

And for the variants, I don’t think those are particularly dangerous in the large scale (personal opinion), and there’s going to be a yearly covid booster shot which should help with limiting the level of symptoms should someone catch a variant case

The rumor im hearing from some connected folks is that the CDC could announced loosened recommendations as soon as today 4/27 and Massachusetts will follow by the end of the week

static111

mickeyrat said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Weston1283 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I don't see how Covid ever goes away.  It is like a Flu so won't it just keep coming back?  Will we have to get a shot every year?

Yes I’m fully expecting to get a covid booster with my flu shot this fall (and every year)

I've never received a flu shot in my life.  It will suck if I have to do this every year now...

Same

so question for you both.

did you ever come down with a flu over the years?

I had a flu shot while in boot camp 1988. had a couple rough days. didnt have another til last year.

reason was 2 fold.

got knocked down HARD in Jan of 20 then had lingering chest/lung pain for 3 weeks. the coughing....

since many symptoms overlapped, I decided it smart to get the flu vax (some senior version. wtf I'm that old now?)

am now fully vaxxed approx 3 weeks since 2nd shot.

No I think the last time I had anything but a minor cold was 4th grade.

PJNB

I have 3 kids 6 and under and I am very hesitant getting them the vaccine when it is available. They have been vaccinated as they should be up to this point with everything else and I have already had my first shot but this one just feels different being so new. We will more than likely go ahead with it when it becomes available to their age group but I am not going to lie I have way more anxiety with the vaccine than them getting Covid. 

I side with Weston on this on for sure regarding opening up so it is not just a parent thing. The what ifs need to stop at some point. Also if someone else does not want to get vaccinated that is on them just like the flue shot is on them. This time though, at least for now, the vaccine for Covid is far superior to the flu shot. 

The only way we are getting to herd immunity is by roughly half of the population getting vaccinated and the rest of the way will come by infection. We will never truly know if we have herd immunity however and with the numbers being as high as Fauci put them ( he actually raised the numbers when he found out the efficacy of the vaccine was better than expected which makes no sense) I think so many people are not looking at the big picture here of at some point soon this is as good as it gets.

Meltdown99

F Me In The Brain said:

What about vaccinations for the kids?
Long Covid is a proven thing, right?  Just because kids aren't dying from it in any sizeable percentage, can't they still get it and carry issues forward?  What do we do about vaccinations for the kids?  As far as I know, in the US there are 0% vaccinated under the age of 16....is that something we should be concerned about before clamoring to go and see a band play concerts or a football team tackle people?
(Edit - looks like trials are underway for kids under 16 in the US....)

A 13 year old Brantford, Ontario girl just died from covid...

Merkin Baller

Weston1283 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Weston1283 said:

josevolution said:

Weston1283 said:

tish said:

Weston1283 said:

In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.

Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 

I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal

End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.

What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on

Do you have children?
No judgement, just a question.

And yes, I know we don’t have an approved vaccine for those under 16.  Im sure there is an argument somewhere in there saying that we need to wait for that day to come.  

All I’m saying is this.  In my opinion, to the vast majority of the country, the vaccine was an endpoint.  Friends and family members of mine who were incredibly cautious are now gathering, hugging, celebrating.  Many of my colleagues have stated patients have gotten lazy with masks wearing and many patients have started reaching out to shake our hands (and every doctor I’ve talked to has said they’ve started shaking them back)

So yes, I think to the majority of the country, the vaccine was an end point.  Not saying it’s right or wrong, but it’s the way it is.  The level of concern is dropping as fast as the number of deaths is, the country is reopening, the vaccine works incredibly well, and I think by the end of summer we will be back to 100% normalcy.

If it's wrong, then how the hell are we going to be back to 100% normalcy by summer's end? 

This is an honest question, less than a third of the country is vaccinated at the moment and people are letting their guard down prematurely... I want to be positive and optimistic as much as you, but if variants out smart the vaccine, normalcy is a fantasy. 


I get being frustrated w/ people who as you put it, 'genuinely don't want the pandemic to end" but I don't think this group exists to the extent that certain media act like they are. And they certainly don't exist to the extent of the anti-maskers / conspiracy people do, so to get as frustrated with the former as you do the latter... this is a viewpoint I genuinely can't understand. 

I can see why my viewpoint may be frustrating, and you don’t have to agree with it.  

The anti vaxxers frustrate the hell out of me because not one person has really had a proper explanation for not getting it except for an occasional allergy restriction 

The people, who yes is a much smaller crowd, who don’t think we should ever go back to normal until covid is eradicated and every human on the planet is vaccinated also frustrate me because that was a solution that hasn’t been ever possible since March of 2020

People are free to and should always protect themselves.  But by the end of summer, the federal govt and state governments will likely allow folks to live restriction free (except masks, This is the one thing that may remain in place for a long time in some settings) and I just feel that 80-90% of people will choose to get back to normal. 

And for the variants, I don’t think those are particularly dangerous in the large scale, and there’s going to be a yearly covid booster shot which should help with limiting the level of symptoms should someone catch a variant case

I don't find your viewpoint frustrating; I simply don't understand it. 

I think you're way over exaggerating the bold faced section... hasn't the target always been 70% vaccination for herd immunity? I don't know anyone who loves this pandemic and wants the restrictions to continue indefinitely. I haven't heard anyone push for complete eradication / 100% vaccination before reopening. I'm not saying these people don't exist, I'm saying they don't exist in the numbers you think they do. 

F Me In The Brain

Meltdown99 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

What about vaccinations for the kids?
Long Covid is a proven thing, right?  Just because kids aren't dying from it in any sizeable percentage, can't they still get it and carry issues forward?  What do we do about vaccinations for the kids?  As far as I know, in the US there are 0% vaccinated under the age of 16....is that something we should be concerned about before clamoring to go and see a band play concerts or a football team tackle people?
(Edit - looks like trials are underway for kids under 16 in the US....)

A 13 year old Brantford, Ontario girl just died from covid...

I am not saying it does not happen -- if you read what I wrote it was in reference to a sizeable percentage.  Any individual cases are heartbreaking.

PJNB said:

I have 3 kids 6 and under and I am very hesitant getting them the vaccine when it is available. They have been vaccinated as they should be up to this point with everything else and I have already had my first shot but this one just feels different being so new. We will more than likely go ahead with it when it becomes available to their age group but I am not going to lie I have way more anxiety with the vaccine than them getting Covid. 

I side with Weston on this on for sure regarding opening up so it is not just a parent thing. The what ifs need to stop at some point. Also if someone else does not want to get vaccinated that is on them just like the flue shot is on them. This time though, at least for now, the vaccine for Covid is far superior to the flu shot. 

The only way we are getting to herd immunity is by roughly half of the population getting vaccinated and the rest of the way will come by infection. We will never truly know if we have herd immunity however and with the numbers being as high as Fauci put them ( he actually raised the numbers when he found out the efficacy of the vaccine was better than expected which makes no sense) I think so many people are not looking at the big picture here of at some point soon this is as good as it gets.

Was curious on his stance, I do not assume all parents think like I do....in fact I would venture to guess that it is a very small percentage of people overall (parents or not) who consider the health of people under 16 when making these statements about "every person who wants it can have it"....sort of baffling that kids are looked past.  They can get it and spread it and possibly suffer long term effects.

In my opinion, the what ifs do not need to stop -- this is the sort of statement I find difficult to think through.  What ifs are incredibly important with new situations like this.

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Weston1283 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I don't see how Covid ever goes away.  It is like a Flu so won't it just keep coming back?  Will we have to get a shot every year?

Yes I’m fully expecting to get a covid booster with my flu shot this fall (and every year)

I've never received a flu shot in my life.  It will suck if I have to do this every year now...

Same

so question for you both.

did you ever come down with a flu over the years?

I had a flu shot while in boot camp 1988. had a couple rough days. didnt have another til last year.

reason was 2 fold.

got knocked down HARD in Jan of 20 then had lingering chest/lung pain for 3 weeks. the coughing....

since many symptoms overlapped, I decided it smart to get the flu vax (some senior version. wtf I'm that old now?)

am now fully vaxxed approx 3 weeks since 2nd shot.

I've never had the flu.

Weston1283

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/cdc-guidelines-face-mask-outdoors-vaccinated-live-stream-2021-04-27/

12:15 ET today, an update from the CDC/White House is coming regarding outdoor mask guidelines and guidelines for vaccinated individuals 

PJNB

F Me In The Brain said:

Meltdown99 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

What about vaccinations for the kids?
Long Covid is a proven thing, right?  Just because kids aren't dying from it in any sizeable percentage, can't they still get it and carry issues forward?  What do we do about vaccinations for the kids?  As far as I know, in the US there are 0% vaccinated under the age of 16....is that something we should be concerned about before clamoring to go and see a band play concerts or a football team tackle people?
(Edit - looks like trials are underway for kids under 16 in the US....)

A 13 year old Brantford, Ontario girl just died from covid...

I am not saying it does not happen -- if you read what I wrote it was in reference to a sizeable percentage.  Any individual cases are heartbreaking.

PJNB said:

I have 3 kids 6 and under and I am very hesitant getting them the vaccine when it is available. They have been vaccinated as they should be up to this point with everything else and I have already had my first shot but this one just feels different being so new. We will more than likely go ahead with it when it becomes available to their age group but I am not going to lie I have way more anxiety with the vaccine than them getting Covid. 

I side with Weston on this on for sure regarding opening up so it is not just a parent thing. The what ifs need to stop at some point. Also if someone else does not want to get vaccinated that is on them just like the flue shot is on them. This time though, at least for now, the vaccine for Covid is far superior to the flu shot. 

The only way we are getting to herd immunity is by roughly half of the population getting vaccinated and the rest of the way will come by infection. We will never truly know if we have herd immunity however and with the numbers being as high as Fauci put them ( he actually raised the numbers when he found out the efficacy of the vaccine was better than expected which makes no sense) I think so many people are not looking at the big picture here of at some point soon this is as good as it gets.

Was curious on his stance, I do not assume all parents think like I do....in fact I would venture to guess that it is a very small percentage of people overall (parents or not) who consider the health of people under 16 when making these statements about "every person who wants it can have it"....sort of baffling that kids are looked past.  They can get it and spread it and possibly suffer long term effects.

In my opinion, the what ifs do not need to stop -- this is the sort of statement I find difficult to think through.  What ifs are incredibly important with new situations like this.

I should of clarified better by what I meant by the what ifs need to stop. I did not mean that we should ignore them or pretend they do not exist I just feel like with regards to restrictions at some point they need to be less of a factor. I feel like that time should be coming sooner rather than later with the way the vaccine rolls out. 

Weston1283

Massachusetts next in line

mask Mandate will be eased this week with bars and restaurants reopening in May.  All restrictions will be lifted August 1st

https://www.google.com/amp/s/boston.cbslocal.com/2021/04/27/massachusetts-reopening-phase-4-outdoor-mask-mandate-bars-amusement-parks-road-races-governor-charlie-baker/amp/

PJNB

Weston1283 said:

Massachusetts next in line

mask Mandate will be eased this week with bars and restaurants reopening in May.  All restrictions will be lifted August 1st

https://www.google.com/amp/s/boston.cbslocal.com/2021/04/27/massachusetts-reopening-phase-4-outdoor-mask-mandate-bars-amusement-parks-road-races-governor-charlie-baker/amp/

So does that mean indoor NHL/NBA/Concerts can happen after April 1st?

Weston1283

PJNB said:

Weston1283 said:

Massachusetts next in line

mask Mandate will be eased this week with bars and restaurants reopening in May.  All restrictions will be lifted August 1st

https://www.google.com/amp/s/boston.cbslocal.com/2021/04/27/massachusetts-reopening-phase-4-outdoor-mask-mandate-bars-amusement-parks-road-races-governor-charlie-baker/amp/

So does that mean indoor NHL/NBA/Concerts can happen after April 1st?

Hard to say where professional sporting events falls from that above information 

lastexitlondon

From where im sat in UK.  This is all moving to fast. Opening up seems stupid at this time

Weston1283

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tennessean.com/amp/7390364002

Nashville is removing all restrictions on May 14th besides mask wearing.  But sporting events and concerts can resume at 100% capacity.  

Seems like a hot morning for restriction loosening coming on the heels of the CDC update later today

23scidoo

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

War..

https://twitter.com/sputnikvaccine/status/1384835080892424192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

This is from a Russian vaccine producing competitor. Has it been corroborated by any scientific institutions yet at this point? Or are they all 'in on it'?

Maybe i '' make that part up'', like the other article..lol again..

So, to confirm, you don’t have a single scientific reference. Just a single Russian Twitter account. Got it.

Also not my fault you posted an article with your own assumptions added in, with no evidence contained.

''Russian Twitter account''..those are the scientist you talks about..
ask you again..can you fly if you are not healthy??..can??

No, they're not the scientists I talk about. Once again, Sputnik Vaccine, the author of those tweets, is a Russian pharmaceutical company with a clear conflict of interest. If this is truly credible, again, why aren't other media networks reporting this?

And I'll answer you again (with the same answer again), obviously you can fly if you're not healthy, or variants sourced in one part of the world wouldn't keep showing up in other parts of the world. This isn't rocket science, it's just basic logic.

It is so hard to get it??..this is all over the net..boarded with a negative test and when they arrived in Hong Kong they were tested positive..
how can you fly with positive test, not be healthy??..

well, now those pharmaceutical companies are not science??..or cause are Russians??..

From the article you shared: "According to rules, all passengers who want to come to Hong Kong need to have a Covid-negative RT-PCR result with them from a test done 72 hours prior to the journey."


What don't you understand about that leaving room for people to develop the disease before travelling? 72 hours of opportunity. 

On the pharmaceutical companies, also not hard to understand. Scientific bodies exist to confirm or reject findings from companies, because of an obvious conflict of interest. If I wanted to know if Pfizer vaccines were safe, I wouldn't take Pfizer's word for it - I'd take the scientific community's. It's your responsibility if you're trying to make people believe something to share credible evidence. You haven't shared any of that.

Finally you get my issues..so,72 hours test before flight is useless!!..
i'm not trying anything here..what i see is, one big pharma attack to others, that's scary..

No, I still don't get your issues.

On fear, I'm sorry that an unsubstantiated tweet is all it took for you to be afraid. Let me know when a single medical journal writes about it. If they have (which I have no intention of checking - not my conspiracy), feel free to share it with us.

When you get it come around..
conspiracy??..hahaha, thats a good one..

23scidoo

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/05/vaccination-covid-vaccines-rich-nations
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/05/covid-vaccines-who-chief-backs-patent-waiver-to-boost-production

Weston1283

Per CDC as of now

• Fully vaccinated people do not need to wear masks in small outdoor gatherings, even if some people at the gathering are not vaccinated.  They double down that if you are vaccinated, your risk is minimal to none when outdoors, even around unvaccinated people 
• Still wear masks at larger packed outdoor gatherings
• Vaccinated people can resume regular every day activities indoors safely with a mask such as going to the gym or a restaurant or bar
• Less than 10% of transmission is found in the outdoor setting

Fauci discussing variants 
- The UK Vaccine is now the dominant variant covid-19 strain in the USA, but it is covered by all of the mRNA vaccine
- South African variant - all of the vaccines except the AstraZeneca are effective against this variant

Final statement from Fauci:
”Get vaccinated and you will have a degree of protection even from the variants”

Lerxst1992

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Weston1283 said:

josevolution said:

Weston1283 said:

tish said:

Weston1283 said:

In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.

Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 

I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal

End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.

What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on

Do you have children?
No judgement, just a question.

I do not

I do and am concerned that many do not seem to consider kids just because it is not lethal to them in large numbers.  
They certainly can carry and transmit it and if long term effects are associated with some who get Covid, what does this mean for kids?

I'm rooting damn hard to get back to some sense of normal, I'm for certain not a person who wants this to continue but I feel like rushing out as the end is in sight is kind of a slap back on all of the stuff we have been through the past year +

Just want as few people to die as possible.
All in favor of vaxx cards, of letting people who don't want it deal with the fallout....but I think we are still a ways from them being the only ones without the vaxx.

I understand.  I also hope that we can get more data regarding the vaccine in children.  But like you said, it is not as lethal to children.  Possible?  Yes, but not nearly to the degree of the at risk crowd.  I can’t relate as closely since I don’t have children.  

We actually need to beat the virus before we beat the virus. That’s the simple fact conservatives are overlooking. If we take a close look at vaccinations by state, many democratic states have at least one dose in 47% of the population while red states are at 37%. That gap is only going to widen. To beat the virus, we need to get new cases very low, so the virus does not continue to mutate and strengthen. If statewide populations only vaccinate around 55% of the population, the virus will mutate, become stronger and deadlier.

A healthier country would be having THAT discussion, before whining about lost freedoms. And it can’t be said enough, there are counties that do. Australia unvaccinated is healthier than the US vaccinated. We should all chew on that for a moment.

And some were trumping up Texas success here last week. Where are they now?

Weston1283

Lerxst1992 said:

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Weston1283 said:

josevolution said:

Weston1283 said:

tish said:

Weston1283 said:

In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.

Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 

I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal

End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.

What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on

Do you have children?
No judgement, just a question.

I do not

I do and am concerned that many do not seem to consider kids just because it is not lethal to them in large numbers.  
They certainly can carry and transmit it and if long term effects are associated with some who get Covid, what does this mean for kids?

I'm rooting damn hard to get back to some sense of normal, I'm for certain not a person who wants this to continue but I feel like rushing out as the end is in sight is kind of a slap back on all of the stuff we have been through the past year +

Just want as few people to die as possible.
All in favor of vaxx cards, of letting people who don't want it deal with the fallout....but I think we are still a ways from them being the only ones without the vaxx.

I understand.  I also hope that we can get more data regarding the vaccine in children.  But like you said, it is not as lethal to children.  Possible?  Yes, but not nearly to the degree of the at risk crowd.  I can’t relate as closely since I don’t have children.  

We actually need to beat the virus before we beat the virus. That’s the simple fact conservatives are overlooking. If we take a close look at vaccinations by state, many democratic states have at least one dose in 47% of the population while red states are at 37%. That gap is only going to widen. To beat the virus, we need to get new cases very low, so the virus does not continue to mutate and strengthen. If statewide populations only vaccinate around 55% of the population, the virus will mutate, become stronger and deadlier.

A healthier country would be having THAT discussion, before whining about lost freedoms. And it can’t be said enough, there are counties that do. Australia unvaccinated is healthier than the US vaccinated. We should all chew on that for a moment.

And some were trumping up Texas success here last week. Where are they now?

The virus will continue mutate no matter how many people get vaccinated.  It sounds like we have a different opinion on what beating the virus is.

As for Texas, I think they’re doing well?

gvn2fly1421

Weston1283 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Weston1283 said:

josevolution said:

Weston1283 said:

tish said:

Weston1283 said:

In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.

Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 

I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal

End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.

What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on

Do you have children?
No judgement, just a question.

I do not

I do and am concerned that many do not seem to consider kids just because it is not lethal to them in large numbers.  
They certainly can carry and transmit it and if long term effects are associated with some who get Covid, what does this mean for kids?

I'm rooting damn hard to get back to some sense of normal, I'm for certain not a person who wants this to continue but I feel like rushing out as the end is in sight is kind of a slap back on all of the stuff we have been through the past year +

Just want as few people to die as possible.
All in favor of vaxx cards, of letting people who don't want it deal with the fallout....but I think we are still a ways from them being the only ones without the vaxx.

I understand.  I also hope that we can get more data regarding the vaccine in children.  But like you said, it is not as lethal to children.  Possible?  Yes, but not nearly to the degree of the at risk crowd.  I can’t relate as closely since I don’t have children.  

We actually need to beat the virus before we beat the virus. That’s the simple fact conservatives are overlooking. If we take a close look at vaccinations by state, many democratic states have at least one dose in 47% of the population while red states are at 37%. That gap is only going to widen. To beat the virus, we need to get new cases very low, so the virus does not continue to mutate and strengthen. If statewide populations only vaccinate around 55% of the population, the virus will mutate, become stronger and deadlier.

A healthier country would be having THAT discussion, before whining about lost freedoms. And it can’t be said enough, there are counties that do. Australia unvaccinated is healthier than the US vaccinated. We should all chew on that for a moment.

And some were trumping up Texas success here last week. Where are they now?

The virus will continue mutate no matter how many people get vaccinated.  It sounds like we have a different opinion on what beating the virus is.

As for Texas, I think they’re doing well?

Right, seem to be doing fine to me opposed to Michigan who is now blaming the youth for the outbreak requiring masks for children 2 and up.  I have never seen a group pull for bad results more than the group that pulls against these states who open up, aka red states.  Think about that, we ALL (should) want to go back to normal but there is a group that wants these states to fail.  

gvn2fly1421

Lerxst1992 said:

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Weston1283 said:

josevolution said:

Weston1283 said:

tish said:

Weston1283 said:

In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.

Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 

I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal

End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.

What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on

Do you have children?
No judgement, just a question.

I do not

I do and am concerned that many do not seem to consider kids just because it is not lethal to them in large numbers.  
They certainly can carry and transmit it and if long term effects are associated with some who get Covid, what does this mean for kids?

I'm rooting damn hard to get back to some sense of normal, I'm for certain not a person who wants this to continue but I feel like rushing out as the end is in sight is kind of a slap back on all of the stuff we have been through the past year +

Just want as few people to die as possible.
All in favor of vaxx cards, of letting people who don't want it deal with the fallout....but I think we are still a ways from them being the only ones without the vaxx.

I understand.  I also hope that we can get more data regarding the vaccine in children.  But like you said, it is not as lethal to children.  Possible?  Yes, but not nearly to the degree of the at risk crowd.  I can’t relate as closely since I don’t have children.  

We actually need to beat the virus before we beat the virus. That’s the simple fact conservatives are overlooking. If we take a close look at vaccinations by state, many democratic states have at least one dose in 47% of the population while red states are at 37%. That gap is only going to widen. To beat the virus, we need to get new cases very low, so the virus does not continue to mutate and strengthen. If statewide populations only vaccinate around 55% of the population, the virus will mutate, become stronger and deadlier.

A healthier country would be having THAT discussion, before whining about lost freedoms. And it can’t be said enough, there are counties that do. Australia unvaccinated is healthier than the US vaccinated. We should all chew on that for a moment.

And some were trumping up Texas success here last week. Where are they now?

What if Australia already had an outbreak prior to 2020?  I am telling y'all, spend some time today reading through some links I post.  The Ethical Skeptic posts some very intriguing stuff.

His twitter account - https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic

Relative tweets -

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1386895206142906369

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1386896534038515715

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1387152459097903109

https://twitter.com/SharylAttkisson/status/1387205197093539842

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1387244280847142912

Weston1283

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ny-to-repeal-cuomo-covid-booze-restriction-as-state-eases-mask-rule/3023689/%3famp

https://www.twincities.com/2021/04/27/gov-tim-walz-says-easing-of-capacity-limits-likely-coming-soon/

New York and Minnesota likely lifting many restrictions within days.  It doesn’t matter red or blue at this point, they’re all easing up.  We are at the end.

mickeyrat

this one on India is very troubling

b1 617 or something like that? been found in Pakistan and Bangladesh I believe.

Weston1283

mickeyrat said:

this one on India is very troubling

b1 617 or something like that? been found in Pakistan and Bangladesh I believe.

Fauci touched on this yesterday and stated that Covaxin “neutralizes” this variant.  So troubling in a way, but we already have a solution.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/covaxin-found-to-neutralise-617-variants-of-covid-says-us-expert-245374

mickeyrat

Weston1283 said:

mickeyrat said:

this one on India is very troubling

b1 617 or something like that? been found in Pakistan and Bangladesh I believe.

Fauci touched on this yesterday and stated that Covaxin “neutralizes” this variant.  So troubling in a way, but we already have a solution.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/covaxin-found-to-neutralise-617-variants-of-covid-says-us-expert-245374

The United States is but one small part of the greater whole. We ARE NOT the center of the planet.

Merkin Baller

mickeyrat said:

Weston1283 said:

mickeyrat said:

this one on India is very troubling

b1 617 or something like that? been found in Pakistan and Bangladesh I believe.

Fauci touched on this yesterday and stated that Covaxin “neutralizes” this variant.  So troubling in a way, but we already have a solution.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/covaxin-found-to-neutralise-617-variants-of-covid-says-us-expert-245374

The United States is but one small part of the greater whole. We ARE NOT the center of the planet.

You're pissing into the wind. 

American's aren't getting over themselves or the foolish myth of American exceptionalism, ever. 


Didn't you hear? The pandemic is over. 

mickeyrat

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

Weston1283 said:

mickeyrat said:

this one on India is very troubling

b1 617 or something like that? been found in Pakistan and Bangladesh I believe.

Fauci touched on this yesterday and stated that Covaxin “neutralizes” this variant.  So troubling in a way, but we already have a solution.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/covaxin-found-to-neutralise-617-variants-of-covid-says-us-expert-245374

The United States is but one small part of the greater whole. We ARE NOT the center of the planet.

You're pissing into the wind. 

American's aren't getting over themselves or the foolish myth of American exceptionalism, ever. 


Didn't you hear? The pandemic is over. 

huh, I thought it was raining....

well, like some type of vd, some measure of humilty will always weave its way through.....

Decided today to stop wearing mask at work all the time. was but one of a few consistently wearing it since this began.

Am now 3 weeks past the 2nd dose.

Those guys dont give a shit about it for them and theirs,  why should I for their benefit?

everywhere else, mask on.....