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    what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    Let's see:

    "Protect the Obese Covid Strategy" = figuring out what to do with 42% of the American population. What does "protecting" them look like? 

    "Protect the Elderly Covid Strategy" = figuring out what to do with another 70 million Americans. What does "protecting" them look like?

    Nobody with such a strategy has explained what to do with about 150 million people while the other 150+million people pretend CoVid doesn't exist.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,250
    Let's see:

    "Protect the Obese Covid Strategy" = figuring out what to do with 42% of the American population. What does "protecting" them look like? 

    "Protect the Elderly Covid Strategy" = figuring out what to do with another 70 million Americans. What does "protecting" them look like?

    Nobody with such a strategy has explained what to do with about 150 million people while the other 150+million people pretend CoVid doesn't exist.
    I think that plan got lost with health care reform and a few other "plans" that never materialized considering where those opinions originated from. Never a solution, but always a criticism.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 12,830
    edited April 2021
    I am really curious how things shape out with restrictions in the next couple of months in the US when they are still looking to vaccinate adults but no one else wants to get vaccinated. Summer months will be favorable case wise but what happens during the next flu season as well?
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    PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,253
    dignin said:
    My cousin passed away from covid yesterday. Age 49. Leaving behind a husband who was recently diagnosed with brain cancer and two sons aged 11 and 13.

    She got the virus from work.

    Please take the vaccine and stay safe.
    Wow that is just awful. My deepest sympathies to your family. Hoping for a positive outcome for those boys' father.
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,516
    tbergs said:
    Let's see:

    "Protect the Obese Covid Strategy" = figuring out what to do with 42% of the American population. What does "protecting" them look like? 

    "Protect the Elderly Covid Strategy" = figuring out what to do with another 70 million Americans. What does "protecting" them look like?

    Nobody with such a strategy has explained what to do with about 150 million people while the other 150+million people pretend CoVid doesn't exist.
    I think that plan got lost with health care reform and a few other "plans" that never materialized considering where those opinions originated from. Never a solution, but always a criticism.

    Oh, there was definitely a solution in there for the person suggesting the plan, it was a solution that involved that person not being inconvenienced for others. 
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,250
    PJNB said:
    I am really curious how things shape out with restrictions in the next couple of months in the US when they are still looking to vaccinate adults but no one else wants to get vaccinated. Summer months will be favorable case wise but what happens during the next flu season as well?
    I doubt we make 70% on vaccinations. Either way, I think end of May seems like when most will have had their opportunity that want it so by July 4 restrictions are basically do what works for you.

    We are offering vaccine clinics at my work next week and then 3 weeks later for 2nd dose. I'm really curious to see how many people come in. We can serve up to 2100.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,665
    tbergs said:
    Let's see:

    "Protect the Obese Covid Strategy" = figuring out what to do with 42% of the American population. What does "protecting" them look like? 

    "Protect the Elderly Covid Strategy" = figuring out what to do with another 70 million Americans. What does "protecting" them look like?

    Nobody with such a strategy has explained what to do with about 150 million people while the other 150+million people pretend CoVid doesn't exist.
    I think that plan got lost with health care reform and a few other "plans" that never materialized considering where those opinions originated from. Never a solution, but always a criticism.
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    SpunkieSpunkie I come from downtown. Posts: 5,664
    I am sorry, dignin to hear the sad news in your family.
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    dignin, I’m so very sorry.

    Yes, please let us know if/how we can help. 
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    PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,253
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    I am really curious how things shape out with restrictions in the next couple of months in the US when they are still looking to vaccinate adults but no one else wants to get vaccinated. Summer months will be favorable case wise but what happens during the next flu season as well?
    I doubt we make 70% on vaccinations. Either way, I think end of May seems like when most will have had their opportunity that want it so by July 4 restrictions are basically do what works for you.


    I think this will be a regional/state to state issue also, with some places exceeding the 70% and others coming nowhere close.
    For example, here in MA, with a population a little short of 7 Million, we've administered 5.4Million doses as of today with 2.1Mil fully vaxxed.
    I assume we'll hit 70% in this state no problem.
    But I am sure some places will fall well short, likely below 50%.
    So how do states then handle interstate travel and commerce? (let alone the larger issue of international travel where much of the world is well behind the US and UK in vaccination rates)
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,665
    Poncier said:
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    I am really curious how things shape out with restrictions in the next couple of months in the US when they are still looking to vaccinate adults but no one else wants to get vaccinated. Summer months will be favorable case wise but what happens during the next flu season as well?
    I doubt we make 70% on vaccinations. Either way, I think end of May seems like when most will have had their opportunity that want it so by July 4 restrictions are basically do what works for you.


    I think this will be a regional/state to state issue also, with some places exceeding the 70% and others coming nowhere close.
    For example, here in MA, with a population a little short of 7 Million, we've administered 5.4Million doses as of today with 2.1Mil fully vaxxed.
    I assume we'll hit 70% in this state no problem.
    But I am sure some places will fall well short, likely below 50%.
    So how do states then handle interstate travel and commerce? (let alone the larger issue of international travel where much of the world is well behind the US and UK in vaccination rates)

    Opinion: We should soon stop catering to the vaccine holdouts


    When the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration announced a “pause” in the use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine because of a tiny number of instances in which women developed blood clots after getting the shot, many recoiled in horror. The vaccine rollout will be jeopardized! They will only fuel vaccine hesitancy! No, and no.

    The latest Axios-Ipsos survey finds it had the opposite effect, as predicted by Anthony S. Fauci, President Biden’s chief medical adviser. “Ninety-one percent of Americans have heard of the pause, showing a clear breakthrough of the issue in our collective consciousness in a very short period of time,” the poll reported on Tuesday. “Nearly the same number, 88%, feel the FDA and CDC are acting responsibly by recommending a pause in the [Johnson & Johnson] vaccine (among those that have heard of the pause).” It was not even close — even among Republicans: “Americans, regardless of political affiliation, feel health officials are acting responsibly by recommending the pause in the one-dose vaccines; 87% of Republicans and 91% of Democrats agree.”

    In other words, no one can blame responsible health-care officials for residual, militant vaccine hesitancy. The number of those who do not want the vaccine (roughly 20 percent) has been immovable since January, suggesting these people — which includes as much as 40 percent of Republicans — are impervious to reason and facts.

    In fact, a recent focus group of vaccine-hesitant voters found that some of these people would lie about being vaccinated. The Post reports: “Most participants said they would want a fake vaccination card that would allow them to claim they had received shots, after [GOP pollster Frank] Luntz granted them anonymity to speak honestly.” Given the existence of such self-destructive, selfish and potentially deceitful people, secure vaccine passports are warranted.

    Fortunately, Biden announced on Wednesday that the United States had reached 200 million shots administered — well in advance of his presidency’s 100-day mark and double his original goal of 100 million in his first 100 days. That means more than half of adults have received at least one shot, including more than 80 percent of seniors. Among teachers, school personnel and child-care workers, more than 80 percent received one shot in a month.

    After making dramatic progress in mitigation and vaccination efforts, committing billions of dollars and supplying a constant flow of indisputable medical evidence that, once fully vaccinated, you have near 100 percent immunity, Biden went a step further. He asked employers to give workers paid time off to get the shot or to recover from the side effects — and then offered to reimburse employers.

    At some point, only the willfully ignorant and destructive will remain unvaccinated. Once that happens, employers, retail establishments, entertainment venues, public buildings, public transportation, colleges and (when vaccines are approved for children) K-12 schools should insist that people present a secure form of proof of vaccination before entering.

    The resolutely anti-vaccination crowd will holler about their “freedom” being taken away. Nonsense. Schools already require an array of vaccinations for children. Public and private establishments can require shoes and shirts. Employers can require safety equipment be worn. The ornery holdouts won’t be mandated by the government to get shots, but they should not be able to enjoy the benefits, privileges and access that responsible Americans have earned by getting vaccinated.

    There is no right to remain a breeding ground for dangerous coronavirus variants or a threat to the small number of people still susceptible to the virus despite their vaccinations (known as breakthrough infections). The country is approaching the point when it should stop catering to those bent on being a danger to themselves and others. We have all sacrificed too much for too long to indulge reckless conduct.

    Opinion | We should soon stop catering to the vaccine holdouts - The Washington Post

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    23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,535
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,941
    23scidoo said:
    This is from a Russian vaccine producing competitor. Has it been corroborated by any scientific institutions yet at this point? Or are they all 'in on it'?
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,894
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    This is from a Russian vaccine producing competitor. Has it been corroborated by any scientific institutions yet at this point? Or are they all 'in on it'?

    fits. he frequents sites that post memes generated by RT.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,665
    Another 3,000 dead 'Muricans in the past three days. Seems to be an awful lot of gun shots and motorcycle crashes in Tennican'tsee.

    In the past week in Tennessee...
    New daily reported cases rose 31.6% 
    New daily reported deaths rose 116.7% 
    Covid-related hospitalizations rose 6% Read more

    Among reported tests, the positivity rate was 9.5%.

    The number of tests reported rose 58.2%  from the previous week. Read more

    Since Dec. 14, more than 3,751,000 doses of a coronavirus vaccine have been administered in Tennessee.

    More than 1,507,000 people have completed vaccination, or about 22.07% of the population. Read more about Tennessee’s vaccination strategy in our vaccination tracker.

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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    Thanks for the kind works everyone. If the family sets up anything online I will post any info about here. Thanks again.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,894
     
    US health panel urges restarting J&J COVID-19 vaccinations
    By LAURAN NEERGAARD and MIKE STOBBE
    20 mins ago

    U.S. health advisers on Friday urged resuming COVID-19 vaccinations with Johnson & Johnson's single-dose shot, saying its benefits outweigh a rare risk of blood clots — in line with Europe's rollout.

    Federal health officials uncovered 15 vaccine recipients who developed a highly unusual kind of blood clot, out of nearly 8 million people given the J&J shot. All were women, most under age 50. Three died, and seven remain hospitalized.

    Advisers to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said while J&J's vaccine is important for fighting the pandemic, it's also critical that younger women be told about that risk in clear, understandable terms — so they can decide if they'd rather choose an alternate vaccine instead.

    The panel voted 10-4 to lift an 11-day pause in use of the J&J shot while adding warnings that women and health workers would see in leaflets at vaccination clinics. The group debated but ultimately steered clear of outright age restrictions.

    “This is an age group that is most at risk (of the clotting) that is getting vaccine predominately to save other peoples' lives and morbidity, not their own. And I think we have a responsibility to be certain that they know this," said Dr. Sarah Long of Drexel University College of Medicine, who voted against the proposal because she felt it did not go far enough in warning women.

    The CDC and Food and Drug Administration will weigh Friday's recommendation in deciding whether to end the pause; the CDC typically follows the recommendation of its advisers and CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky has promised swift action.

    European regulators earlier this week made a similar decision, deciding the clot risk was small enough to allow the rollout of J&J's shot.

    At issue is a weird kind of blood clot that forms in unusual places, such as veins that drain blood from the brain, and in patients with abnormally low levels of the platelets that form clots. The CDC and Food and Drug Administration initially spotted six people who developed such clots one to three weeks after J&J vaccination. On Friday, health officials said nine more cases came to light in the last week or so.

    The needle-in-a-haystack reports raised alarm because European regulators already had uncovered similar rare clots among recipients of another COVID-19 vaccine, from AstraZeneca. The AstraZeneca and J&J shots, while not identical, are made with the same technology.

    European scientists found clues that an abnormal platelet-harming immune response to AstraZeneca’s vaccine might be to blame -- and if so, then doctors should avoid the most common clot treatment, a blood thinner called heparin.

    That added to U.S. authorities’ urgency in pausing J&J vaccinations so they could tell doctors how to diagnose and treat these rare clots. Several initial patients were treated with heparin before anyone realized that might harm instead of help.

    Two-dose vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, which are made differently and haven't been linked to clot risks, are the mainstay of the U.S. vaccination effort. But J&J mass vaccination clinics were canceled after the April 13 pause, and many states had been counting on the one-and-done option to also help protect hard-to-reach populations including people who are homeless or disabled.

    “You can bring the vaccine to the person rather than having to bring the person to the vaccine. So there is a great desire to continue using this vaccine,” said Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University.

    The CDC's advisers debated for hours to put the rare clot cases into perspective. COVID-19 itself can cause blood clots. So can everyday medications, such as birth control pills.

    And experts also recognized that virus cases were going to keep occurring during the pause “some of them in a population that would have been vaccinated with J&J. That’s part of the agony of making this decision,” Schaffner added.

    How Americans ultimately handle J&J’s vaccine will influence other countries that don’t have as much access to other vaccination options. In the U.S., more than half of adults have received at least one vaccine dose, the vast majority with the Pfizer and Moderna shots.

    But J&J faces an additional hurdle, as the FDA separately uncovered manufacturing violations at a Baltimore factory the company had hired to help brew the vaccine. No shots made by Emergent BioSciences have been used — J&J's production so far has come from Europe. But it's unclear how the idled factory will impact J&J's pledge to provide 100 million U.S. vaccine doses by the end of May and 1 billion doses globally this year.

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    Quebec is embarking on a mix and match strategy in some of its long term care facilities. The residents got a first dose of Moderna but, now that it’s past time for the second dose, Moderna deliveries remain much lower than promised so people are going to get Pfizer. 

    I know there is research underway on this strategy but I don’t know if we have results yet. 

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    ^ Thank you keeping me informed! Missed this while spring camping! Nice to chat at the fire with a sister after not being allowed to see her for four months!
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    23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,535
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    This is from a Russian vaccine producing competitor. Has it been corroborated by any scientific institutions yet at this point? Or are they all 'in on it'?
    Maybe i '' make that part up'', like the other article..lol again..
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,941
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    This is from a Russian vaccine producing competitor. Has it been corroborated by any scientific institutions yet at this point? Or are they all 'in on it'?
    Maybe i '' make that part up'', like the other article..lol again..
    So, to confirm, you don’t have a single scientific reference. Just a single Russian Twitter account. Got it.

    Also not my fault you posted an article with your own assumptions added in, with no evidence contained.
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    23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,535
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    This is from a Russian vaccine producing competitor. Has it been corroborated by any scientific institutions yet at this point? Or are they all 'in on it'?
    Maybe i '' make that part up'', like the other article..lol again..
    So, to confirm, you don’t have a single scientific reference. Just a single Russian Twitter account. Got it.

    Also not my fault you posted an article with your own assumptions added in, with no evidence contained.
    ''Russian Twitter account''..those are the scientist you talks about..
    ask you again..can you fly if you are not healthy??..can??
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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,659
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    I'm not sure why people who post twitter accounts get defensive when people question the validity of the entity tweeting or re-tweeting some other source.
    This is common sense....question the source, always.  

    Twitter is even worse than Facebook.
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,516
    I'm not sure why people who post twitter accounts get defensive when people question the validity of the entity tweeting or re-tweeting some other source.
    This is common sense....question the source, always.  

    Twitter is even worse than Facebook.
    Twitter’s fine & I imagine Facebook is too if you spend time thinking critically about the news source. 

    I get the majority of my news from my Twitter feed, but I try to be choosy with who I follow: AP, PBS, Reuters, WaPo, WSJ, Al Jazeera English... I follow a few others, but I try to be mindful of their biases etc. 
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,941
    edited April 2021
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    This is from a Russian vaccine producing competitor. Has it been corroborated by any scientific institutions yet at this point? Or are they all 'in on it'?
    Maybe i '' make that part up'', like the other article..lol again..
    So, to confirm, you don’t have a single scientific reference. Just a single Russian Twitter account. Got it.

    Also not my fault you posted an article with your own assumptions added in, with no evidence contained.
    ''Russian Twitter account''..those are the scientist you talks about..
    ask you again..can you fly if you are not healthy??..can??
    No, they're not the scientists I talk about. Once again, Sputnik Vaccine, the author of those tweets, is a Russian pharmaceutical company with a clear conflict of interest. If this is truly credible, again, why aren't other media networks reporting this?

    And I'll answer you again (with the same answer again), obviously you can fly if you're not healthy, or variants sourced in one part of the world wouldn't keep showing up in other parts of the world. This isn't rocket science, it's just basic logic.
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,272
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    I need the border to open so I can take the ferry to Port Angeles and ask for a vaccine :)

    Im also curious as to what happens if the US decides to open the land border but Canada doesn't.  We can't stop Canadians from coming home, and the land border has been a big loophole in the quarantine rules.    Comon USA, get 'er done :)
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    23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,535
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    This is from a Russian vaccine producing competitor. Has it been corroborated by any scientific institutions yet at this point? Or are they all 'in on it'?
    Maybe i '' make that part up'', like the other article..lol again..
    So, to confirm, you don’t have a single scientific reference. Just a single Russian Twitter account. Got it.

    Also not my fault you posted an article with your own assumptions added in, with no evidence contained.
    ''Russian Twitter account''..those are the scientist you talks about..
    ask you again..can you fly if you are not healthy??..can??
    No, they're not the scientists I talk about. Once again, Sputnik Vaccine, the author of those tweets, is a Russian pharmaceutical company with a clear conflict of interest. If this is truly credible, again, why aren't other media networks reporting this?

    And I'll answer you again (with the same answer again), obviously you can fly if you're not healthy, or variants sourced in one part of the world wouldn't keep showing up in other parts of the world. This isn't rocket science, it's just basic logic.
    It is so hard to get it??..this is all over the net..boarded with a negative test and when they arrived in Hong Kong they were tested positive..
    how can you fly with positive test, not be healthy??..

    well, now those pharmaceutical companies are not science??..or cause are Russians??..
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    India's crematoriums overwhelmed as virus 'swallows people'
    By SHEIKH SAALIQ and AIJAZ HUSSAIN
    Today

    NEW DELHI (AP) — India’s crematoriums and burial grounds are being overwhelmed by the devastating new surge of infections tearing through the populous country with terrifying speed, depleting the supply of life-saving oxygen to critical levels and leaving patients to die while waiting in line to see doctors.

    For the fourth straight day, India on Sunday set a global daily record for new infections, spurred by an insidious, new variant that emerged here, undermining the government’s premature claims of victory over the pandemic.

    The 349,691 confirmed cases over the past day brought India’s total to more than 16.9 million, behind only the United States. The Health Ministry reported another 2,767 deaths in the past 24 hours, pushing India’s COVID-19 fatalities to 192,311.

    Experts say that toll could be a huge undercount, as suspected cases are not included, and many deaths from the infection are being attributed to underlying conditions.

    The crisis unfolding in India is most visceral in its graveyards and crematoriums, and in heartbreaking images of gasping patients dying on their way to hospitals due to lack of oxygen.

    Burial grounds in the Indian capital New Delhi are running out of space and bright, glowing funeral pyres light up the night sky in other badly hit cities.

    In central Bhopal city, some crematoriums have increased their capacity from dozens of pyres to more than 50. Yet officials say there are still hours-long waits.

    At the city’s Bhadbhada Vishram Ghat crematorium, workers said they cremated more than 110 people on Saturday, even as government figures in the entire city of 1.8 million put the total number of virus deaths at just 10.

    “The virus is swallowing our city’s people like a monster,” said Mamtesh Sharma, an official at the site.

    The unprecedented rush of bodies has forced the crematorium to skip individual ceremonies and exhaustive rituals that Hindus believe release the soul from the cycle of rebirth.

    “We are just burning bodies as they arrive,” said Sharma. “It is as if we are in the middle of a war.”

    The head gravedigger at New Delhi’s largest Muslim cemetery, where 1,000 people have been buried during the pandemic, said more bodies are arriving now than last year. “I fear we will run out of space very soon,” said Mohammad Shameem.

    The situation is equally grim at unbearably full hospitals, where desperate people are dying in line, sometimes on the roads outside, waiting to see doctors.

    Health officials are scrambling to expand critical care units and stock up on dwindling supplies of oxygen. Hospitals and patients alike are struggling to procure scarce medical equipment that is being sold at an exponential markup.

    The crisis is in direct contrast with government claims that “nobody in the country was left without oxygen,” in a statement made Saturday by India’s Solicitor General Tushar Mehta before Delhi High Court.

    The breakdown is a stark failure for a country whose prime minister only in January had declared victory over COVID-19, and which boasted of being the “world’s pharmacy,” a global producer of vaccines and a model for other developing nations.

    Caught off-guard by the latest deadly spike, the federal government has asked industrialists to increase the production of oxygen and other life-saving drugs in short supply. But health experts say India had an entire year to prepare for the inevitable — and it didn’t.

    Dr. Krutika Kuppalli, assistant professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases at the Medical University of South Carolina, said the Indian government has been "very reactive to this situation rather than being proactive.”

    She said the government should have used the last year, when the virus was more under control, to develop plans to address a surge and “stockpiled medications and developed public-private partnerships to help with manufacturing essential resources in the event of a situation like this.”

    “Most importantly, they should have looked at what was going on in other parts of the world and understood that it was a matter of time before they would be in a similar situation,’’ Kuppalli said.

    Kuppalli called the government’s premature declarations of victory over the pandemic a “false narrative,” which encouraged people to relax health measures when they should have continued strict adherence to physical distancing, wearing masks and avoiding large crowds.

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi is facing mounting criticism for allowing Hindu festivals and attending mammoth election rallies that experts suspect accelerated the spread of infections.

    In one such election rally two weeks ago, Modi barely managed to hide his delight when he declared to his supporters in West Bengal state: “I have never seen such huge crowds.” At that time, the virus had already started to rear its head again and experts were warning a deadly surge was inevitable.

    With the death toll mounting, Modi’s Hindu nationalist government is trying to quell critical voices.

    On Saturday, Twitter complied with the government’s request and prevented people in India from viewing more than 50 tweets that appeared to criticize the administration’s handling of the pandemic. The targeted posts include tweets from opposition ministers critical of Modi, journalists and ordinary Indians.

    A Twitter spokesperson said it had powers to “withhold access to the content in India only” if the company determined the content to be “illegal in a particular jurisdiction.” The company said it had responded to an order by the government and notified people whose tweets were withheld.

    India’s Information Technology Ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

    Even with the targeted blocks, horrific scenes of overwhelmed hospitals and cremation grounds spread on Twitter and drew appeals of help.

    White House National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan on Sunday said the United States is “deeply concerned” by the severe COVID-19 outbreak in India. “We are working around the clock to deploy more supplies and support to our friends and partners in India as they bravely battle this pandemic,” Sullivan tweeted.

    Help and support also appeared to arrive from archrival Pakistan, with politicians, journalists and citizens in the neighboring country expressing support for people in India. Pakistan's Foreign Affairs Ministry said it offered to provide relief support including ventilators, oxygen supply kits, digital X-ray machines, PPE and related items.

    “Humanitarian issues require responses beyond political consideration,” Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said.

    The Indian government did not immediately respond to Qureshi’s statement.

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    Hussain reported from Srinagar, India.


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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,941
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    This is from a Russian vaccine producing competitor. Has it been corroborated by any scientific institutions yet at this point? Or are they all 'in on it'?
    Maybe i '' make that part up'', like the other article..lol again..
    So, to confirm, you don’t have a single scientific reference. Just a single Russian Twitter account. Got it.

    Also not my fault you posted an article with your own assumptions added in, with no evidence contained.
    ''Russian Twitter account''..those are the scientist you talks about..
    ask you again..can you fly if you are not healthy??..can??
    No, they're not the scientists I talk about. Once again, Sputnik Vaccine, the author of those tweets, is a Russian pharmaceutical company with a clear conflict of interest. If this is truly credible, again, why aren't other media networks reporting this?

    And I'll answer you again (with the same answer again), obviously you can fly if you're not healthy, or variants sourced in one part of the world wouldn't keep showing up in other parts of the world. This isn't rocket science, it's just basic logic.
    It is so hard to get it??..this is all over the net..boarded with a negative test and when they arrived in Hong Kong they were tested positive..
    how can you fly with positive test, not be healthy??..

    well, now those pharmaceutical companies are not science??..or cause are Russians??..
    From the article you shared: "According to rules, all passengers who want to come to Hong Kong need to have a Covid-negative RT-PCR result with them from a test done 72 hours prior to the journey."


    What don't you understand about that leaving room for people to develop the disease before travelling? 72 hours of opportunity. 

    On the pharmaceutical companies, also not hard to understand. Scientific bodies exist to confirm or reject findings from companies, because of an obvious conflict of interest. If I wanted to know if Pfizer vaccines were safe, I wouldn't take Pfizer's word for it - I'd take the scientific community's. It's your responsibility if you're trying to make people believe something to share credible evidence. You haven't shared any of that.
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