The coronavirus

mrussel1

Rod Dreher... "Heckuva job, Trumpie!"  

myoung321

tish said:

I appreciate your help! Adulting is hard around this decision and I have a person saying the big Black Plague is shutting everything down like borders, airports, jeez!

A person? You mean the World Health Organization and The CDC? 

Spunkie

So anyhow, most of you seem to think a re-book fall is best. I will prolly take your advice... but I may see how the next week plays out. 

Spunkie

mace1229 said:

tish said:

What do you suppose Sept/Oct trip to San Diego port of call will look like instead?

If you can hold out until November or December, you might be able to experience round 2.

I can't hold out past next Wednesday, midnight. 

Spunkie

tish said:

mace1229 said:

tish said:

What do you suppose Sept/Oct trip to San Diego port of call will look like instead?

If you can hold out until November or December, you might be able to experience round 2.

I can't hold out past next Wednesday, midnight. 

There is also the difficult part of getting flights that meet the sail dates/times, as well. 

Spiritual_Chaos

tish said:

So anyhow, most of you seem to think a re-book fall is best. I will prolly take your advice... but I may see how the next week plays out. 

Sweden just forbid any gatherings bigger than 500 people for the next 2 months 

The US is not fairing better than Sweden. 

Postpone.

Have a Max Von Sydow marathon with your daughter instead.

myoung321

 Just cancel the cruise. The truth is, no one can tell you anything at this point....  In cases like this you must choose the side of safety. Like the band did.. 

jeffbr

tish said:

I agree, it could be slow down in summer, start up in fall, possibly, although they say SARS was not seasonal.

At least if I went next week, I have the time to social distance for 14 days after if not quarantined. Are the resources overwhelmed here and now. I think I'd be getting ahead of the peak and at least have the peace of mind of knowing where we stand currently. 

Waiting until later in the year will give time to assess the actual risk. Right now we simply don't know because we don't have capacity to do testing outside of those severely symptomatic. No surveillance testing happening so it is impossible to see where the hot spots are. The other benefit of delay until later is the possibility of therapeutics. We'll see clinical trials of antivirals starting up (I know one already has in Nebraska), so if you do end up catching it, there may be medication by then. Anything done right now is done without full information or a proper risk assessment. You're basically going in blind. I'm less of a thrill seeker these days, so I'm doing what I can to avoid contact with other people. It's very odd around Seattle these days. My commute is spectacular (instead of one of the worst in the country), grocery stores are easy to navigate. But I don't really go anywhere else other than work. We're now seeing staff layoffs, and even saw a couple of restaurants close permanently yesterday. Again, this thing is just getting started, so I wouldn't be in too much of a hurry to expose yourself unnecessarily.

Spunkie

^ I booked the cruise last September after an amazing mid-late August European cruise. I have been looking at alternative options since January.

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

Here's a kick in the nuts. My school had an 8th grade trip to DC over spring break. School just canceled the trip due to virus, the travel company is not issuing any refunds. This is impacting several schools in our district who paid about $2000 to go.
I think parents are going to the local news to get the word out and put pressure on the company to give refunds.

My cousin from Alaska was all set to go w her class to South America.  Got cancelled as the school was not allowing the teachers to go.  The kids were more than welcome to continue w the trip but w no supervision.  

The kids are 12/13 years old.

No refunds.

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

tish said:

So anyhow, most of you seem to think a re-book fall is best. I will prolly take your advice... but I may see how the next week plays out. 

Sweden just forbid any gatherings bigger than 500 people for the next 2 months 

The US is not fairing better than Sweden. 

Postpone.

Have a Max Von Sydow marathon with your daughter instead.

So, just no getting the entire country together at the same time?

MakingWaves

The WHO just declared coronavirus a global pandemic.  A lot of organizations, companies, etc. will have to start making decisions on what to do with this step officially being taken by the WHO.

myoung321

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Here's a kick in the nuts. My school had an 8th grade trip to DC over spring break. School just canceled the trip due to virus, the travel company is not issuing any refunds. This is impacting several schools in our district who paid about $2000 to go.
I think parents are going to the local news to get the word out and put pressure on the company to give refunds.

My cousin from Alaska was all set to go w her class to South America.  Got cancelled as the school was not allowing the teachers to go.  The kids were more than welcome to continue w the trip but w no supervision.  

The kids are 12/13 years old.

No refunds.

6 graders.. 12 year old kids going on South American field trip?    Sounds like rich people problems... Go to the local zoo or symphony.

cincybearcat

myoung321 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Here's a kick in the nuts. My school had an 8th grade trip to DC over spring break. School just canceled the trip due to virus, the travel company is not issuing any refunds. This is impacting several schools in our district who paid about $2000 to go.
I think parents are going to the local news to get the word out and put pressure on the company to give refunds.

My cousin from Alaska was all set to go w her class to South America.  Got cancelled as the school was not allowing the teachers to go.  The kids were more than welcome to continue w the trip but w no supervision.  

The kids are 12/13 years old.

No refunds.

6 graders.. 12 year old kids going on South American field trip?    Sounds like rich people problems... Go to the local zoo or symphony.

Really?

Spiritual_Chaos

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

tish said:

So anyhow, most of you seem to think a re-book fall is best. I will prolly take your advice... but I may see how the next week plays out. 

Sweden just forbid any gatherings bigger than 500 people for the next 2 months 

The US is not fairing better than Sweden. 

Postpone.

Have a Max Von Sydow marathon with your daughter instead.

So, just no getting the entire country together at the same time?

Why do you consider this is an appropriate time for a joke, when my Nick Cave concert will be cancelled?

Niiiiiiiiiiick

myoung321

cincybearcat said:

myoung321 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Here's a kick in the nuts. My school had an 8th grade trip to DC over spring break. School just canceled the trip due to virus, the travel company is not issuing any refunds. This is impacting several schools in our district who paid about $2000 to go.
I think parents are going to the local news to get the word out and put pressure on the company to give refunds.

My cousin from Alaska was all set to go w her class to South America.  Got cancelled as the school was not allowing the teachers to go.  The kids were more than welcome to continue w the trip but w no supervision.  

The kids are 12/13 years old.

No refunds.

6 graders.. 12 year old kids going on South American field trip?    Sounds like rich people problems... Go to the local zoo or symphony.

Really?

I mean, I know waiting will be tough,... and I know 14 is kinda late in life to start world travel, but under the circumstance sacrifices must be made

(Keep in mind this a School Field Trip.. not a family trip)

Spiritual_Chaos

myoung321 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Here's a kick in the nuts. My school had an 8th grade trip to DC over spring break. School just canceled the trip due to virus, the travel company is not issuing any refunds. This is impacting several schools in our district who paid about $2000 to go.
I think parents are going to the local news to get the word out and put pressure on the company to give refunds.

My cousin from Alaska was all set to go w her class to South America.  Got cancelled as the school was not allowing the teachers to go.  The kids were more than welcome to continue w the trip but w no supervision.  

The kids are 12/13 years old.

No refunds.

6 graders.. 12 year old kids going on South American field trip?    Sounds like rich people problems... Go to the local zoo or symphony.

Getting Corona from ski vacations in northern italy was a rich people's problem until they started hanging around us normal working class folks.

jeffbr

jeffbr said:

WA State's governor has said declared no gatherings of 250 or more people. That includes sporting, religious and cultural events. So no concerts, Mariners, Sounders, college basketball games, XFL games, etc... won't happen, or at least won't happen in front of a crowd. I've heard it could be lowered as things get worse. We are up to 190 cases and 22 deaths in my county, so they're putting the hammer down on events that bring people together. 

Seattle Sounders FC soccer just announced that their match on Mar 21 is postponed to a later date.
Seattle Dragons XFL just announced that their game on Saturday will be played in an empty CenturyLink Field. 
It sounds like the Seattle Mariners are working with the league to flip some series so the club starts their first several games away from T-Mobile Park.

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

tish said:

So anyhow, most of you seem to think a re-book fall is best. I will prolly take your advice... but I may see how the next week plays out. 

Sweden just forbid any gatherings bigger than 500 people for the next 2 months 

The US is not fairing better than Sweden. 

Postpone.

Have a Max Von Sydow marathon with your daughter instead.

So, just no getting the entire country together at the same time?

Why do you consider this is an appropriate time for a joke, when my Nick Cave concert will be cancelled?

Niiiiiiiiiiick

Nick Cave just called and told me that KISS sucks.

tempo_n_groove

jeffbr said:

WA State's governor has said declared no gatherings of 250 or more people. That includes sporting, religious and cultural events. So no concerts, Mariners, Sounders, college basketball games, XFL games, etc... won't happen, or at least won't happen in front of a crowd. I've heard it could be lowered as things get worse. We are up to 190 cases and 22 deaths in my county, so they're putting the hammer down on events that bring people together. 

22 dead from Corona in Seattle?