The coronavirus

oftenreading

As usual, the antivaxxer conspiracy theorists miss important information

https://www.buzzfeed.com/cameronwilson/australia-politician-flu-jab-anti-vaxxer-fake

She got her flu shot. Then the media asked her to do it again, so they filmed a second time, without the actual vaccine.

Hard to fathom why some people ignore both science and all reason to push an anti-vaccination agenda, but they do. 

nicknyr15

For entertainment purpose only

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/florida-residents-furious-over-devils-law-requiring-masks/

FiveBelow

hedonist said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

If its not hoax..
https://www.facebook.com/104144974581107/videos/979091512548537/

cap on or off, what was she supposed to be getting a shot of?

This is Annastacia Palaszczuk, she is  is the head of government in the Australian state of Queensland..
for me, it dosen't matter what kind of shot is that..

But the cap was on, so what was the point of having it done in such a manner?

”I didn’t even feel it!”  Of course not; a prick was impossible. 

It appears like most things these days this was just a clip cut to stir shit up. It was a reenactment for the media moments after she received an actual flu shot.

Edit

What oftenreading said.

oftenreading

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

there have been 280 posts since last time i was in this thread. i am too lazy to go back and read. 

is sweden's approach being condemned yet?

They really dropped the ball over there. Big time. 

Sweden is number 5 in deaths per capita. The USA is currently number 7 and rising. You really dropped the ball over there. Big time. 

So possibly now we could drop the stupid Sweden squabbling, so it doesn't clutter up all the threads again. 

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

there have been 280 posts since last time i was in this thread. i am too lazy to go back and read. 

is sweden's approach being condemned yet?

They really dropped the ball over there. Big time. 

Sweden is number 5 in deaths per capita. The USA is currently number 7 and rising. You really dropped the ball over there. Big time. 

So possibly now we could drop the stupid Sweden squabbling, so it doesn't clutter up all the threads again. 

LMAO. it always comes back to sweden squabbling. 

ALLTID!

OnWis97

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

Does anyone still think covid numbers in the US would be the same if Hillary was president?

There were people here that argued that.

Would the Yankees have won 27 WS titles if MLB had a salary cap?

I don't follow baseball cause it's boring. You're going to have to be more clear with your analogy for me to understand your point.

I was just asking another question that there is no way of knowing a definitive answer on. Ask team red and they would probably say yes, ask team blue and they would probably say no.

Would Eddie be a rock star if Andrew Wood would have not died?  Most on here should get that one...

I'm team blue and I don't think they'd be the same. That said, when people lay 100% of the deaths at Trump's feet, that's pretty hyperbolic.  The existence of the virus and it's entry into the country has nothing to do with Trump.  But all he cares about is his re-election. Hilary wasn't a great candidate but I don't think she'd be telling people what they want to hear (it's going to go away magically) in the hope of bumping up her numbers and I don't think there'd be nearly as many people not distancing or wearing masks out of spite.  W was able to unite the country after 9/11.  Trump didn't even try here.  Hilary is hated enough that she would not have been that successful, either, but there would at least be some leadership with interest beyond "Team Blue."  I believe the numbers would be better.  How much? Who knows.

23scidoo

oftenreading said:

As usual, the antivaxxer conspiracy theorists miss important information

https://www.buzzfeed.com/cameronwilson/australia-politician-flu-jab-anti-vaxxer-fake

She got her flu shot. Then the media asked her to do it again, so they filmed a second time, without the actual vaccine.

Hard to fathom why some people ignore both science and all reason to push an anti-vaccination agenda, but they do. 

Please look what I said to my post.. anyway, my bad..

cincybearcat

nicknyr15 said:

For entertainment purpose only

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/florida-residents-furious-over-devils-law-requiring-masks/

Not sure why I didn't think of it sooner, maybe others have.  Faucci should have referred to Covid as:

1) The devil's breathe
or
2) Illegal immigrant

With the only way to protect ourselves:
Against the devil:
1) God's grace facemask
2) Staying away 6' from others as the devil cannot get you then

Against the illegal immigrant:
1) Trumps wall face mask

brianlux

cincybearcat said:

nicknyr15 said:

For entertainment purpose only

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/florida-residents-furious-over-devils-law-requiring-masks/

Not sure why I didn't think of it sooner, maybe others have.  Faucci should have referred to Covid as:

1) The devil's breathe
or
2) Illegal immigrant

With the only way to protect ourselves:
Against the devil:
1) God's grace facemask
2) Staying away 6' from others as the devil cannot get you then

Against the illegal immigrant:
1) Trumps wall face mask

Nailed it!   

hedonist

oftenreading said:

As usual, the antivaxxer conspiracy theorists miss important information

https://www.buzzfeed.com/cameronwilson/australia-politician-flu-jab-anti-vaxxer-fake

She got her flu shot. Then the media asked her to do it again, so they filmed a second time, without the actual vaccine.

Hard to fathom why some people ignore both science and all reason to push an anti-vaccination agenda, but they do. 

Ah, thank you. Who knew, based on the Facebook clip?

Halifax2TheMax

Thanks Rupert. Appreciate all that you've done to MAGA. So much winning.

Coronavirus infections have surged in a number of states, setting the United States on a markedly different pandemic trajectory than other wealthy nations.

There are many reasons our response to the pandemic tied to more than 120,000 U.S. deaths has faltered, experts say, including the lack of a cohesive federal policy, missteps on testing and tracing, and a national culture emphasizing individualism.

In recent weeks, three studies have focused on conservative media’s role in fostering confusion about the seriousness of the coronavirus. Taken together, they paint a picture of a media ecosystem that amplifies misinformation, entertains conspiracy theories and discourages audiences from taking concrete steps to protect themselves and others.

The end result, according to one of the studies, is that infection and mortality rates are higher in places where one pundit who initially downplayed the severity of the pandemic — Fox News’s Sean Hannity — reaches the largest audiences.

“We are receiving an incredible number of studies and solid data showing that consuming far-right media and social media content was strongly associated with low concern about the virus at the onset of the pandemic,” said Irene Pasquetto, chief editor of the Harvard Kennedy School Misinformation Review, which published one of the studies.
Misinformation and conspiracy theoriesIn April, Kathleen Hall Jamieson of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and Dolores Albarracin of the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign published a peer-reviewed study examining how Americans’ media diets affected their beliefs about the coronavirus.Administering a nationally representative phone survey with 1,008 respondents, they found that people who got most of their information from mainstream print and broadcast outlets tended to have an accurate assessment of the severity of the pandemic and their risks of infection. But those who relied on conservative sources, such as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, were more likely to believe in conspiracy theories or unfounded rumors, such as the belief that taking vitamin C could prevent infection, that the Chinese government had created the virus, and that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention exaggerated the pandemic’s threat “to damage the Trump presidency.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/25/fox-news-hannity-coronavirus-misinformation/

And social media couldn't possible sway an election.

RunIntoTheRain

If those in charge had treated this like they were applying behavior management to toddlers, it would have gone over better.

You have to model the behavior you want to see. Therefore, a President not wearing a mask is counter productive. So is having him and other government officials traveling all over the nation giving speeches the opposite of advising people to stay home. 

A united front is of paramount importance. Just like parents that are on opposite sides of rules, the gov't has sent out so many mixed messages. Here in Texas, we've had our local judges trying to implement rules that are important while our Governor overrides them. 

Follow through on your consequences.  We had a salon owner here in Texas open her salon way before it was allowed. She was warned, then put in jail. Gov Abbott (who had put the rule in place) ordered her release. 

Just a few thoughts on how this has all been mishandled. 

brianlux

RunIntoTheRain said:

If those in charge had treated this like they were applying behavior management to toddlers, it would have gone over better.

You have to model the behavior you want to see. Therefore, a President not wearing a mask is counter productive. So is having him and other government officials traveling all over the nation giving speeches the opposite of advising people to stay home. 

A united front is of paramount importance. Just like parents that are on opposite sides of rules, the gov't has sent out so many mixed messages. Here in Texas, we've had our local judges trying to implement rules that are important while our Governor overrides them. 

Follow through on your consequences.  We had a salon owner here in Texas open her salon way before it was allowed. She was warned, then put in jail. Gov Abbott (who had put the rule in place) ordered her release. 

Just a few thoughts on how this has all been mishandled. 

Gern Blansten

Biden made a good point today....if they dismantle the ACA then insurance companies could make Coronavirus a pre-existing condition and not cover future effects or treatments.

FiveBelow

OnWis97 said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

Does anyone still think covid numbers in the US would be the same if Hillary was president?

There were people here that argued that.

Would the Yankees have won 27 WS titles if MLB had a salary cap?

I don't follow baseball cause it's boring. You're going to have to be more clear with your analogy for me to understand your point.

I was just asking another question that there is no way of knowing a definitive answer on. Ask team red and they would probably say yes, ask team blue and they would probably say no.

Would Eddie be a rock star if Andrew Wood would have not died?  Most on here should get that one...

I'm team blue and I don't think they'd be the same. That said, when people lay 100% of the deaths at Trump's feet, that's pretty hyperbolic.  The existence of the virus and it's entry into the country has nothing to do with Trump.  But all he cares about is his re-election. Hilary wasn't a great candidate but I don't think she'd be telling people what they want to hear (it's going to go away magically) in the hope of bumping up her numbers and I don't think there'd be nearly as many people not distancing or wearing masks out of spite.  W was able to unite the country after 9/11.  Trump didn't even try here.  Hilary is hated enough that she would not have been that successful, either, but there would at least be some leadership with interest beyond "Team Blue."  I believe the numbers would be better.  How much? Who knows.

This is pretty much how I feel, but the initial question just felt like fishing for an argument and we have enough of that already considering it is pure speculation.

Lerxst1992

JW269453 said:

OnWis97 said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

Does anyone still think covid numbers in the US would be the same if Hillary was president?

There were people here that argued that.

Would the Yankees have won 27 WS titles if MLB had a salary cap?

I don't follow baseball cause it's boring. You're going to have to be more clear with your analogy for me to understand your point.

I was just asking another question that there is no way of knowing a definitive answer on. Ask team red and they would probably say yes, ask team blue and they would probably say no.

Would Eddie be a rock star if Andrew Wood would have not died?  Most on here should get that one...

I'm team blue and I don't think they'd be the same. That said, when people lay 100% of the deaths at Trump's feet, that's pretty hyperbolic.  The existence of the virus and it's entry into the country has nothing to do with Trump.  But all he cares about is his re-election. Hilary wasn't a great candidate but I don't think she'd be telling people what they want to hear (it's going to go away magically) in the hope of bumping up her numbers and I don't think there'd be nearly as many people not distancing or wearing masks out of spite.  W was able to unite the country after 9/11.  Trump didn't even try here.  Hilary is hated enough that she would not have been that successful, either, but there would at least be some leadership with interest beyond "Team Blue."  I believe the numbers would be better.  How much? Who knows.

This is pretty much how I feel, but the initial question just felt like fishing for an argument and we have enough of that already considering it is pure speculation.

Not 100% Trumps fault but pretty damn close. His biggest crime of course was shutting down travel from China while NYC got infected from Italy. That was 100% on trump. Not sure why that is forgotten by many. 

 He has made a mockery of science, and that happens to be the ticket out of this mess, proven by the northeast USA and the rest of the entire world, except for red state America, Russia, India and Brazil. That’s on trump

Trumps refusal to give the scientists the respect they have earned by dedicating their lives specializing in how to handle a crisis like this has had a big impact . Making a joke of the task force then effectively shutting it down after the injecting bleach fiasco, instead of having a visible task force provide expert guidance for the country, we got id. That’s on trump.

All the red state crying about reopening before it was safe to do so, about not wanting to wear masks, about not having tests to hide the fact the virus is here and then falsely blaming the current spike on testing. The virus is here in record daily numbers, again, whether you test for it or not. That’s on trump.

Not having tests. Blaming a pandemic on too much testing. Shutting down travel from one super spreader while leaving Italy travel open for business. Making mask wearing a joke. Opening states too early when it was unsafe. Not trusting science. Not respecting scientists. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump.

Smellyman

Lerxst1992 said:

JW269453 said:

OnWis97 said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

Does anyone still think covid numbers in the US would be the same if Hillary was president?

There were people here that argued that.

Would the Yankees have won 27 WS titles if MLB had a salary cap?

I don't follow baseball cause it's boring. You're going to have to be more clear with your analogy for me to understand your point.

I was just asking another question that there is no way of knowing a definitive answer on. Ask team red and they would probably say yes, ask team blue and they would probably say no.

Would Eddie be a rock star if Andrew Wood would have not died?  Most on here should get that one...

I'm team blue and I don't think they'd be the same. That said, when people lay 100% of the deaths at Trump's feet, that's pretty hyperbolic.  The existence of the virus and it's entry into the country has nothing to do with Trump.  But all he cares about is his re-election. Hilary wasn't a great candidate but I don't think she'd be telling people what they want to hear (it's going to go away magically) in the hope of bumping up her numbers and I don't think there'd be nearly as many people not distancing or wearing masks out of spite.  W was able to unite the country after 9/11.  Trump didn't even try here.  Hilary is hated enough that she would not have been that successful, either, but there would at least be some leadership with interest beyond "Team Blue."  I believe the numbers would be better.  How much? Who knows.

This is pretty much how I feel, but the initial question just felt like fishing for an argument and we have enough of that already considering it is pure speculation.

Not 100% Trumps fault but pretty damn close. His biggest crime of course was shutting down travel from China while NYC got infected from Italy. That was 100% on trump. Not sure why that is forgotten by many. 

 He has made a mockery of science, and that happens to be the ticket out of this mess, proven by the northeast USA and the rest of the entire world, except for red state America, Russia, India and Brazil. That’s on trump

Trumps refusal to give the scientists the respect they have earned by dedicating their lives specializing in how to handle a crisis like this has had a big impact . Making a joke of the task force then effectively shutting it down after the injecting bleach fiasco, instead of having a visible task force provide expert guidance for the country, we got id. That’s on trump.

All the red state crying about reopening before it was safe to do so, about not wanting to wear masks, about not having tests to hide the fact the virus is here and then falsely blaming the current spike on testing. The virus is here in record daily numbers, again, whether you test for it or not. That’s on trump.

Not having tests. Blaming a pandemic on too much testing. Shutting down travel from one super spreader while leaving Italy travel open for business. Making mask wearing a joke. Opening states too early when it was unsafe. Not trusting science. Not respecting scientists. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump.

~Applause~

Meltdown99

Windsor/Essex, Ontario moved into stage 2 with the exception of 2 small towns where the majority of greenhouses are located and where most ne cases have been coming from.

mandatory mask policy for all commercial buildings starting Friday.  Got my mask in the mail today.

just crazy what’s going on in the US.

brianlux

Smellyman said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JW269453 said:

OnWis97 said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

Does anyone still think covid numbers in the US would be the same if Hillary was president?

There were people here that argued that.

Would the Yankees have won 27 WS titles if MLB had a salary cap?

I don't follow baseball cause it's boring. You're going to have to be more clear with your analogy for me to understand your point.

I was just asking another question that there is no way of knowing a definitive answer on. Ask team red and they would probably say yes, ask team blue and they would probably say no.

Would Eddie be a rock star if Andrew Wood would have not died?  Most on here should get that one...

I'm team blue and I don't think they'd be the same. That said, when people lay 100% of the deaths at Trump's feet, that's pretty hyperbolic.  The existence of the virus and it's entry into the country has nothing to do with Trump.  But all he cares about is his re-election. Hilary wasn't a great candidate but I don't think she'd be telling people what they want to hear (it's going to go away magically) in the hope of bumping up her numbers and I don't think there'd be nearly as many people not distancing or wearing masks out of spite.  W was able to unite the country after 9/11.  Trump didn't even try here.  Hilary is hated enough that she would not have been that successful, either, but there would at least be some leadership with interest beyond "Team Blue."  I believe the numbers would be better.  How much? Who knows.

This is pretty much how I feel, but the initial question just felt like fishing for an argument and we have enough of that already considering it is pure speculation.

Not 100% Trumps fault but pretty damn close. His biggest crime of course was shutting down travel from China while NYC got infected from Italy. That was 100% on trump. Not sure why that is forgotten by many. 

 He has made a mockery of science, and that happens to be the ticket out of this mess, proven by the northeast USA and the rest of the entire world, except for red state America, Russia, India and Brazil. That’s on trump

Trumps refusal to give the scientists the respect they have earned by dedicating their lives specializing in how to handle a crisis like this has had a big impact . Making a joke of the task force then effectively shutting it down after the injecting bleach fiasco, instead of having a visible task force provide expert guidance for the country, we got id. That’s on trump.

All the red state crying about reopening before it was safe to do so, about not wanting to wear masks, about not having tests to hide the fact the virus is here and then falsely blaming the current spike on testing. The virus is here in record daily numbers, again, whether you test for it or not. That’s on trump.

Not having tests. Blaming a pandemic on too much testing. Shutting down travel from one super spreader while leaving Italy travel open for business. Making mask wearing a joke. Opening states too early when it was unsafe. Not trusting science. Not respecting scientists. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump. That’s on trump.

~Applause~

Here as well.  Great post, Lerxst1992  !

pjl44

Gern Blansten said:

Biden made a good point today....if they dismantle the ACA then insurance companies could make Coronavirus a pre-existing condition and not cover future effects or treatments.

In the real world, every insurance company has waived all patient cost share for covid testing and treatment. Biden is fearmongering.