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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    static111 said:
    myoung321 said:

    wow....Ever seen Trump look like this? Body language says a ton!!!   He addresses the nation tonight..   

    I have a feeling the people running around saying this is no big deal.."No Worse Than Normal Flu" are about to get that bubble popped... 

    <a rel="nofollow" href="https://news.yahoo.com/trump-statement-coronavirus-tonight-205626140.html">https://news.yahoo.com/trump-statement-coronavirus-tonight-205626140.html</a>

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    Why is he meeting with banking leaders to discuss this. Shouldn’t he be all in with I don’t know doctors and actual scientists and specialists?
    That gets right to the heart of Trump's response to any issue. It all goes back to the market. This should be approached as a public health emergency, not an economic problem. Sure, the economy will suffer because of this, but if we don't address the underlying public health crisis, then nothing will help on the economic side of things. The problem is that he can fudge numbers on the economy, and he can make excuses for politics. But the death toll doesn't lie.
    Also curious, speaking of scientists and specialists, is that the coronavirus response in the WH is classified. Many of our experts and scientists have been excluded from meetings because they don't have the proper security clearances. 

    Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

    From the Reuters article:

    The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

    Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

    “We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

    The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.”This came directly from the White House,” one official said.

    The White House insistence on secrecy at the nation’s premier public health organization, which has not been previously disclosed, has put a lid on certain information - and potentially delayed the response to the crisis. COVID19, the disease caused by the virus, has killed about 30 people in the United States and infected more than 1,000 people.

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,421
    While having lunch today two surgeons sat next to me they started talking about Coronavirus, the cardiac surgeon stated that the hospitals are getting ready to just do emergency surgeries no elective cases, his concern is that there won’t be enough ventilators available for all the infected older population..
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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,632
    Yes, the Italians call those machines gold and say 1 in 10 cases require them. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,955
    jeffbr said:
    static111 said:
    myoung321 said:

    wow....Ever seen Trump look like this? Body language says a ton!!!   He addresses the nation tonight..   

    I have a feeling the people running around saying this is no big deal.."No Worse Than Normal Flu" are about to get that bubble popped... 

    https://news.yahoo.com/trump-statement-coronavirus-tonight-205626140.html


    Why is he meeting with banking leaders to discuss this. Shouldn’t he be all in with I don’t know doctors and actual scientists and specialists?
    That gets right to the heart of Trump's response to any issue. It all goes back to the market. This should be approached as a public health emergency, not an economic problem. Sure, the economy will suffer because of this, but if we don't address the underlying public health crisis, then nothing will help on the economic side of things. The problem is that he can fudge numbers on the economy, and he can make excuses for politics. But the death toll doesn't lie.
    Also curious, speaking of scientists and specialists, is that the coronavirus response in the WH is classified. Many of our experts and scientists have been excluded from meetings because they don't have the proper security clearances. 

    Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

    From the Reuters article:

    The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

    Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

    “We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

    The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.”This came directly from the White House,” one official said.

    The White House insistence on secrecy at the nation’s premier public health organization, which has not been previously disclosed, has put a lid on certain information - and potentially delayed the response to the crisis. COVID19, the disease caused by the virus, has killed about 30 people in the United States and infected more than 1,000 people.

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,424
    So far the coronavirus has cost me 3 Pearl Jam concerts With friends and family and a ncaa tournament trip with my dad. Not to mention a spring break girls trip for my wife and daughter. And a few other big deals for my family I don’t care to mention specifically.

    im concerned about the health of a few specific people close to me. And sad for those who have been effected in the most awful way.  This is just all bad. And no joke, the world needs to figure out how to hold China accountable for their continued nonsense 
    Stop buying Chinese products. And sorry for your losses, travel expense wise. Hope you’re not out dollars. It sucks but this too shall pass, hopefully.
    Yeah I sure about the $, but it’s not really about that. It was the times ahead with friends from far away and family that I don’t get to see enough and are aging. But it is what it is, just a bummer. Other have it worse right now I know. I hope this is all it is for me and my family and friends, though I’m concerned 
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  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited March 2020
    Breaking: The Thunder-Jazz game has been postponed to a later date, per the NBA.

    https://youtu.be/6bWqu9pW6lY
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    So far the coronavirus has cost me 3 Pearl Jam concerts With friends and family and a ncaa tournament trip with my dad. Not to mention a spring break girls trip for my wife and daughter. And a few other big deals for my family I don’t care to mention specifically.

    im concerned about the health of a few specific people close to me. And sad for those who have been effected in the most awful way.  This is just all bad. And no joke, the world needs to figure out how to hold China accountable for their continued nonsense 
    Stop buying Chinese products. And sorry for your losses, travel expense wise. Hope you’re not out dollars. It sucks but this too shall pass, hopefully.
    Yeah I sure about the $, but it’s not really about that. It was the times ahead with friends from far away and family that I don’t get to see enough and are aging. But it is what it is, just a bummer. Other have it worse right now I know. I hope this is all it is for me and my family and friends, though I’m concerned 
    Yes. I had four shows booked and at each I was going to see a different group of friends. That’s all gone now, though with any luck just temporarily. In an immediate sense, I’m more concerned about my parents and my aunt and uncle, all in their 80s, but then it extends out to my community, and beyond. So many places in the world are far less equipped to deal with this than my province. 
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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,632
    edited March 2020
    I'm waiting to see if Europe is next to be travel-banned when Trump addresses us all in a few minutes. 

    Edit: There was some news grumbling that China is almost ready for travel, so I'm guessing this potential move wouldn't be a Euro Tour killer.

    30 day restrictions to Europe starting Friday. Not UK.
    Post edited by Spunkie on
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,880
    Trump looking a little nervous/fidgety during this address. Voice crackling and whatnot. Well when the going gets tough...
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,955
    Trump looking a little nervous/fidgety during this address. Voice crackling and whatnot. Well when the going gets tough...
    He is so far in over his head. So far.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,880
    Trump looking a little nervous/fidgety during this address. Voice crackling and whatnot. Well when the going gets tough...
    He is so far in over his head. So far.
    Kinda had the George W. Bush deer-in-the-headlights look going. 

    As for his speech, and skipping over the self-congratulatory bullshit at the top, he didn’t mention shit about testing kits (South Korea has a testing DRIVE-THROUGH), what to do if you think you’ve contracted the virus, or the specifics of the “exceptions” to the international travel ban. 
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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,632
    I suppose Canada is 1 step behind and will follow suit. Seems like my country has been doing the security walk following in USs footsteps. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    tish said:
    I suppose Canada is 1 step behind and will follow suit. Seems like my country has been doing the security walk following in USs footsteps. 
    I just got the "I come from downtown" reference now that I know you're from Canada.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,955
    Trump looking a little nervous/fidgety during this address. Voice crackling and whatnot. Well when the going gets tough...
    He is so far in over his head. So far.
    Kinda had the George W. Bush deer-in-the-headlights look going. 

    As for his speech, and skipping over the self-congratulatory bullshit at the top, he didn’t mention shit about testing kits (South Korea has a testing DRIVE-THROUGH), what to do if you think you’ve contracted the virus, or the specifics of the “exceptions” to the international travel ban. 
    Marco Rubio’s response to the SOTU comes to mind.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,470
    Nba just suspended reat of the season. Two players tested positive.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,632
    dignin said:
    tish said:
    I suppose Canada is 1 step behind and will follow suit. Seems like my country has been doing the security walk following in USs footsteps. 
    I just got the "I come from downtown" reference now that I know you're from Canada.
    Ya, could u imagine those University boys coming up with that?
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    mcgruff10 said:
    Nba just suspended reat of the season. Two players tested positive.  
    Fuck, NHL will be next.

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    mcgruff10 said:
    Nba just suspended reat of the season. Two players tested positive.  
    Two? I saw one Jazz player. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,470
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Nba just suspended reat of the season. Two players tested positive.  
    Two? I saw one Jazz player. 
    I thought the announcer said two, I could have been mistaken.  No matter, season canceled. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,880
    mcgruff10 said:
    Nba just suspended reat of the season. Two players tested positive.  
    Yeah they floated playing the games with no crowd, but the teams would still have to constantly travel. I wonder if they’ll play the Masters without a crowd. 

    Sports stuff aside, what the hell does one do if they feel flu-like symptoms? Typically, I’d call my doctor, she’d write a prescription for like Tamiflu, and I’d stay home for a day or two. I’m guessing that wouldn’t work for covoid-19 (right? I don’t know.) Do you go to the emergency room? It’s so contagious, might you infect someone as you walk in? Does my nearest hospital even have the means of testing for it. I don’t know. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Nba just suspended reat of the season. Two players tested positive.  
    Two? I saw one Jazz player. 
    I thought the announcer said two, I could have been mistaken.  No matter, season canceled. 
    Suspended 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Nba just suspended reat of the season. Two players tested positive.  
    Two? I saw one Jazz player. 
    I heard one two.
  • hsohihsohi Posts: 1,033
    Watch for the Trump is racist against Europe on MSNBC... similar reaction to the China travel ban.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    NCAA announces no fans ... 

    The player for Utah that tested positive was jokingly touching microphones after a press conference like a day ago
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,470
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Nba just suspended reat of the season. Two players tested positive.  
    Two? I saw one Jazz player. 
    I thought the announcer said two, I could have been mistaken.  No matter, season canceled. 
    Suspended 
    Semantics?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Might as well turn on ESPN right now and watch the last two NBA games for a while ...  hopefully get to see Zion reverse ally-oop some full court passes
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    Jason P said:
    NCAA announces no fans ... 

    The player for Utah that tested positive was jokingly touching microphones after a press conference like a day ago
    Gobert is an idiot

    https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/jazz-thunder-rudy-gobert-ruled-questionable-days-after-touching-mics-to-make-a-point-about-coronavirus-201553536.html
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Nba just suspended reat of the season. Two players tested positive.  
    Two? I saw one Jazz player. 
    I thought the announcer said two, I could have been mistaken.  No matter, season canceled. 
    Suspended 
    Semantics?
    No I don't think so.  Canceled implies it's done for the year.  I don't think that's the case
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    mcgruff10 said:
    Nba just suspended reat of the season. Two players tested positive.  
    Yeah they floated playing the games with no crowd, but the teams would still have to constantly travel. I wonder if they’ll play the Masters without a crowd. 

    Sports stuff aside, what the hell does one do if they feel flu-like symptoms? Typically, I’d call my doctor, she’d write a prescription for like Tamiflu, and I’d stay home for a day or two. I’m guessing that wouldn’t work for covoid-19 (right? I don’t know.) Do you go to the emergency room? It’s so contagious, might you infect someone as you walk in? Does my nearest hospital even have the means of testing for it. I don’t know. 
    From what I’ve read, if you have typical
    symptoms like fever and cough, isolate yourself first. Unless you are in immediate need of medical assistance, don’t go to an ER or medical clinic. Tamiflu won’t help. If you are youngish and otherwise healthy, mostly likely you’ll be fine recovering at home. Call your doctor as soon as you can for more instructions, as ideally you would be tested so that it could be confirmed as a case or ruled out, but I have no idea what’s going to happen with testing in the US, frankly. 
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