The coronavirus

mace1229

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

myoung321 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

For example.....

If 200 die from coronavirus and there are 2,000 known cases that is a 10% death rate.

Except it is more likely that 20,000 people have it.  That's a 1% death rate.

Even if your data is right, that's 10x higher mortality than the flu.  

So if virus A has a 3% death rate and infects 1,000,000 people and 30,000 die. Virus B has a death rate of 0.1 % and infects 500,000,000 people and 700,000 die.
Everyone seems to be arguing that virus A is deadlier because of that 3%. I would argue virus B is much worse, and be much more afraid of virus B.
That's just me and a few others, seems like most want to get all worked up over virus A though.

For the last time.. the term "flu" or "B" you keep using is incorrect. What we call the seasonal flu is from numerous known viruses, not 1 virus.............Covid19 is 1 NEW virus

That doesn't matter with the point I am trying to make. People are panicking over this and continuing to ignore the "flu" which in my opinion makes zero sense. 

This makes no sense. The "panic" is us taking precautions such as limiting travel, practicing social distancing, better handwashing/hygiene, cover coughs and sneezes, and avoiding large gatherings. The things being done as precaution against COVID-19 are the same things which will assist in avoiding the flu. Additionally I have been vaccinated for the flu. So I don't understand how you could possibly think we're "ignoring" the flu by paying attention to COVID-19. 

I've never heard once people suggesting canceling shows because of the flu. I've never once heard people afraid that the olympics may be canceled because of the flu. I've never once heard NCAA wont happen because of the flu. I've never seen costco sell out of toilet paper and water because of the flu. I've never seen many of the things that are happening now ever before. So in my opinion, yes many people are panicking. 

It is true handwashing and other precautions we should do anyway. But in my opinion there is zero reason to cancel events unless you also believe they should be canceled every flu season. Most people seem to disagree with me, and thats fine. you guys are allowed to be wrong (kidding), its just my opinion this is way overblown and people are panicking.

The flu has known transmissibility patterns. The flu has a preventative shot. The flu has a treatment if you get it. The flu has years of research behind it in how it changes. The flu vaccine has already been synthesized. The flu has a lower death rate. The flu has confirmable mortality rates.

My opinion - let people set their own comfort levels, mitigate the way they want, and unless they're endangering someone else's life, who cares? There's enough uncertainty surrounding this (and even if we disagree with the scope we should agree about the uncertainty), that caution is a fair response.

I agree with that last part.

Even with all the knowns about the flu, it still kills 20,000 Americans. I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would think we need to cancel events for corona becausea few hundred may get infected, when we live in this era of the flu where 20,000 deaths is such an accepted number many don't even realize it kills that many or infects 20 million in this country.
But I've said my point several times, people are either going to think this is an over reaction or not. 

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

myoung321 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

For example.....

If 200 die from coronavirus and there are 2,000 known cases that is a 10% death rate.

Except it is more likely that 20,000 people have it.  That's a 1% death rate.

Even if your data is right, that's 10x higher mortality than the flu.  

So if virus A has a 3% death rate and infects 1,000,000 people and 30,000 die. Virus B has a death rate of 0.1 % and infects 500,000,000 people and 700,000 die.
Everyone seems to be arguing that virus A is deadlier because of that 3%. I would argue virus B is much worse, and be much more afraid of virus B.
That's just me and a few others, seems like most want to get all worked up over virus A though.

For the last time.. the term "flu" or "B" you keep using is incorrect. What we call the seasonal flu is from numerous known viruses, not 1 virus.............Covid19 is 1 NEW virus

That doesn't matter with the point I am trying to make. People are panicking over this and continuing to ignore the "flu" which in my opinion makes zero sense. 

This makes no sense. The "panic" is us taking precautions such as limiting travel, practicing social distancing, better handwashing/hygiene, cover coughs and sneezes, and avoiding large gatherings. The things being done as precaution against COVID-19 are the same things which will assist in avoiding the flu. Additionally I have been vaccinated for the flu. So I don't understand how you could possibly think we're "ignoring" the flu by paying attention to COVID-19. 

I've never heard once people suggesting canceling shows because of the flu. I've never once heard people afraid that the olympics may be canceled because of the flu. I've never once heard NCAA wont happen because of the flu. I've never seen costco sell out of toilet paper and water because of the flu. I've never seen many of the things that are happening now ever before. So in my opinion, yes many people are panicking. 

It is true handwashing and other precautions we should do anyway. But in my opinion there is zero reason to cancel events unless you also believe they should be canceled every flu season. Most people seem to disagree with me, and thats fine. you guys are allowed to be wrong (kidding), its just my opinion this is way overblown and people are panicking.

The flu has known transmissibility patterns. The flu has a preventative shot. The flu has a treatment if you get it. The flu has years of research behind it in how it changes. The flu vaccine has already been synthesized. The flu has a lower death rate. The flu has confirmable mortality rates.

My opinion - let people set their own comfort levels, mitigate the way they want, and unless they're endangering someone else's life, who cares? There's enough uncertainty surrounding this (and even if we disagree with the scope we should agree about the uncertainty), that caution is a fair response.

I agree with that last part.

Even with all the knowns about the flu, it still kills 20,000 Americans. I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would think we need to cancel events for corona becausea few hundred may get infected, when we live in this era of the flu where 20,000 deaths is such an accepted number many don't even realize it kills that many or infects 20 million in this country.
But I've said my point several times, people are either going to think this is an over reaction or not. 

because of its highly transmissible rate and also the high death rate. 

CM189191

Italy is extending its strict coronavirus quarantine measures, which include a ban on public gatherings, to the entire country.

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gotthebottle

wow ...I went away for a few hours and the thread in Porch on how this would affect the tour got shut down....oh well, guess I'll see what's being discussed over here. Maybe it's more reasonable

mrussel1

gotthebottle said:

wow ...I went away for a few hours and the thread in Porch on how this would affect the tour got shut down....oh well, guess I'll see what's being discussed over here. Maybe it's more reasonable

Always come to AMT for the most reasoned, calm discussion.  In particularl you should discuss a combination of Sweden and trans athletes competing in organized sports.  

jeffbr

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Way to instill confidence there Matt. On the House floor no less.

  couple days after one of his constituents died of covid-19...... and 2 new cases in his district......

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/07/matt-gaetz-coronavirus-florida/

And now this dingleberry has just self-quarantined. But only after spending the weekend with Trump, and flying back with him today. About an hour after he got back he self-quarantined. Doug Collins as well. They both shook hands with confirmed COVID-19 case at CPAC. I'm betting Trump is shitting himself, and not due to any underlying issue other than high anxiety.
https://www.newsandguts.com/two-congressmen-who-spent-time-with-trump-go-into-isolation/

Jason P

the toilet paper wars have begun

Halifax2TheMax

jeffbr said:

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Way to instill confidence there Matt. On the House floor no less.

  couple days after one of his constituents died of covid-19...... and 2 new cases in his district......

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/07/matt-gaetz-coronavirus-florida/

And now this dingleberry has just self-quarantined. But only after spending the weekend with Trump, and flying back with him today. About an hour after he got back he self-quarantined. Doug Collins as well. They both shook hands with confirmed COVID-19 case at CPAC. I'm betting Trump is shitting himself, and not due to any underlying issue other than high anxiety.
https://www.newsandguts.com/two-congressmen-who-spent-time-with-trump-go-into-isolation/

Team Trump Treason should have them both over for dinner and invite them to spend the week at the WH. Really show us all how insignificant Covid-19 is.

mcgruff10

All of Italy on lockdown
https://apple.news/AA8vsjpC1QnWcN6xi9m5shQ

myoung321

mcgruff10 said:

All of Italy on lockdown
https://apple.news/AA8vsjpC1QnWcN6xi9m5shQ

Don't remember that ever happening for the seasonal flu.

NEweather

lastexitlondon said:

Take vitamin D3 and magnesium.  It helps boost immune system.  Helps against flu and is a good way to help be ready 

( i am so glad i read this, cuz i was gonna ask you about what you thought of this in another place-and what you thought of sublingual vitamin B, and B 12 also. Thnxs!  )

PJ N DC

mace1229 said:

myoung321 said:

mace1229 said:

myoung321 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

For example.....

If 200 die from coronavirus and there are 2,000 known cases that is a 10% death rate.

Except it is more likely that 20,000 people have it.  That's a 1% death rate.

Even if your data is right, that's 10x higher mortality than the flu.  

So if virus A has a 3% death rate and infects 1,000,000 people and 30,000 die. Virus B has a death rate of 0.1 % and infects 500,000,000 people and 700,000 die.
Everyone seems to be arguing that virus A is deadlier because of that 3%. I would argue virus B is much worse, and be much more afraid of virus B.
That's just me and a few others, seems like most want to get all worked up over virus A though.

For the last time.. the term "flu" or "B" you keep using is incorrect. What we call the seasonal flu is from numerous known viruses, not 1 virus.............Covid19 is 1 NEW virus

 , unless they use a wide range of vaccines in that one shot.
 

Yes,,, this is correct

Seasonal influenza shots protect against the three or four influenza viruses that research indicates will be most common during the season. 

plus we have pneumonia vaccines you should get if in the high risk % . 

SO they are all forms of influenza, right? Isnt that the same virus with a different genetic mutation?

Yes....there are different strands of the Flu that surface each year and our researchers develop vaccines to combat the affect of those strands. With that said, the US alone had 8k deaths this year with vaccines that were supposed to help.

The coronavirus is not new. The Coronavirus originated in the 1960's and has had 7 strands.  CV19 is just the latest strand and has grown significantly because of China choosing to ignore their own medical professionals. Why does everyone act like this has never happened before and is a greater risk than other viruses?

Human Coronavirus Types

Coronaviruses are named for the crown-like spikes on their surface. There are four main sub-groupings of coronaviruses, known as alpha, beta, gamma, and delta.

Human coronaviruses were first identified in the mid-1960s. The seven coronaviruses that can infect people are:

Common human coronaviruses

1. 229E (alpha coronavirus)
2. NL63 (alpha coronavirus)
3. OC43 (beta coronavirus)
4. HKU1 (beta coronavirus)

Other human coronaviruses

1. MERS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS)
2. SARS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS)
3. SARS-CoV-2 (the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019, or COVID-19)

myoung321

Yeah yeah ... we know... its just a world wide conspiracy to make Trump look bad. 

dignin

myoung321 said:

Yeah yeah ... we know... its just a world wide conspiracy to make Trump look bad. 

Some might say...World Wide Suicide.

eeriepadave

Brilliant music video )and good song also)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNFwQLRHS8U

myoung321

Here's one from Vietnam 

https://youtu.be/V9YirNgAzXI

Bentleyspop

   

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/1237181669943259138?s=19

static111

Shit just got real

mace1229

PJ N DC said:

mace1229 said:

myoung321 said:

mace1229 said:

myoung321 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

For example.....

If 200 die from coronavirus and there are 2,000 known cases that is a 10% death rate.

Except it is more likely that 20,000 people have it.  That's a 1% death rate.

Even if your data is right, that's 10x higher mortality than the flu.  

So if virus A has a 3% death rate and infects 1,000,000 people and 30,000 die. Virus B has a death rate of 0.1 % and infects 500,000,000 people and 700,000 die.
Everyone seems to be arguing that virus A is deadlier because of that 3%. I would argue virus B is much worse, and be much more afraid of virus B.
That's just me and a few others, seems like most want to get all worked up over virus A though.

For the last time.. the term "flu" or "B" you keep using is incorrect. What we call the seasonal flu is from numerous known viruses, not 1 virus.............Covid19 is 1 NEW virus

 , unless they use a wide range of vaccines in that one shot.
 

Yes,,, this is correct

Seasonal influenza shots protect against the three or four influenza viruses that research indicates will be most common during the season. 

plus we have pneumonia vaccines you should get if in the high risk % . 

SO they are all forms of influenza, right? Isnt that the same virus with a different genetic mutation?

Yes....there are different strands of the Flu that surface each year and our researchers develop vaccines to combat the affect of those strands. With that said, the US alone had 8k deaths this year with vaccines that were supposed to help.

The coronavirus is not new. The Coronavirus originated in the 1960's and has had 7 strands.  CV19 is just the latest strand and has grown significantly because of China choosing to ignore their own medical professionals. Why does everyone act like this has never happened before and is a greater risk than other viruses?

Human Coronavirus Types

Coronaviruses are named for the crown-like spikes on their surface. There are four main sub-groupings of coronaviruses, known as alpha, beta, gamma, and delta.

Human coronaviruses were first identified in the mid-1960s. The seven coronaviruses that can infect people are:

Common human coronaviruses

1. 229E (alpha coronavirus)
2. NL63 (alpha coronavirus)
3. OC43 (beta coronavirus)
4. HKU1 (beta coronavirus)

Other human coronaviruses

1. MERS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS)
2. SARS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS)
3. SARS-CoV-2 (the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019, or COVID-19)

Thanks for sharing.
I didn’t know mers and Sars were strands of corona. I also didn’t know the 19 in covid-19 comes from 2019.

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

gotthebottle said:

wow ...I went away for a few hours and the thread in Porch on how this would affect the tour got shut down....oh well, guess I'll see what's being discussed over here. Maybe it's more reasonable

Always come to AMT for the most reasoned, calm discussion.  In particularl you should discuss a combination of Sweden and trans athletes competing in organized sports.  

lmao