What is it like in Virginia? The only news I have read from you guys is monuments coming down.
In my county (metro Richmond) we had our biggest one week spike in a long time last week. But it went from 4 to 59, so not massive. Back down this past week. The state is not doing great, but it's okay. We have big metro areas with lots of travelers, so you have to expect that we'll be along for the ride with the rest of the country, especially because it's beach season and everyone comes through or stays in VA.
I do feel good that mask adherence is up even from a few weeks ago. Last time I commented on it, probably a month ago, I would say in the suburban/urban areas, adherence was about 75%. Now it's definitely in the 90's. Very few people are in public areas without them.
The New York group estimated that the majority of MIS-C cases occurred about one month after the peak of Covid-19 cases in the state. They estimated that between March 1 and May 10, two of every 100,000 people under the 21 years of age who had laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 virus developed MIS-C in the state. The infection rate in people under the age of 21 years was 322 in 100,000 over that period.
Manish Patel, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Covid-19 response team, said the message to parents is they should be on the lookout for fever and rash in children who have recently had Covid-19.
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I have no words: The Florida Department of Health reported 15,299 new Covid-19 cases Sunday, the highest number of new cases reported in a single day by any state since the coronavirus pandemic began.
Real bad in Florida when its the worse so far and knew that it had the potential to be.
These fucking red State gubnors could have taken the lead by paying attention to what happened in NY and NJ, taken the necessary precautions and totally avoided the situation they’re in now. But they listened to Team Trump Treason instead. This will make a great campaign add when it’s time. Good fucking luck with “leadership” like that.
Well, lets hope that NJ/NY pay attention to what is happening in Florida and other States that are going through a drastic spike now.
A company in India that produces medicines and vaccines is producing a vaccine for Covid right now. It has not passed the clinical trials yet but they are confident it will and are wasting no time so they started production.
It's a privately owned family company so the risk at losing millions of dollars if it doesn't get approved.
The owner said that 50% goes to India and the other 50% will go to the rest of the world.
My employer just halted plans for a return to the office for many of our lines of business, in all states that we operate in. We were supposed to have the option to go back July 20, but that has been pushed back through Labor Day, at least. Smart move as working from home has not reduced productivity at all.
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That news from India sounds promising, hope it works out!
Let's hope that the "100% effective" comment was made by the journalist and not the epidemiologist, given that a "100% effective" vaccine is impossible.
I have my doubts that we'll get a vaccine that leads to an immune response that is robust enough and durable enough to be useful anytime soon, but I hope I'm wrong.
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A vaccine is not going to rid us of this problem being that so many will refuse to get vaccinated. I don't see how a vaccine is the silver bullet in this case.
A vaccine is not going to rid us of this problem being that so many will refuse to get vaccinated. I don't see how a vaccine is the silver bullet in this case.
So here's a hypothetical.. Let's assume Fauci and Birx are sidelined or fired (likely at this point) and the Trump administration announces they have a vaccine and it's ready to go. Do you trust them?
A vaccine is not going to rid us of this problem being that so many will refuse to get vaccinated. I don't see how a vaccine is the silver bullet in this case.
It gets it down to a manageable level and allows for individual protection. Like we were discussing earlier, people still contract and die from TB every year but between a vaccine and treatment options, we can all go about our lives.
All the standard caveats about developing a vaccine that is effective apply.
A vaccine is not going to rid us of this problem being that so many will refuse to get vaccinated. I don't see how a vaccine is the silver bullet in this case.
But most of those that refuse to get vaccinated will be willing to go to games, concerts, work, etc. So it'll be part "herd immunity" and part vaccine. Certain jobs (medical, of course) will probably have requirements (I assume that's legal and done with measles, etc.). It would be ideal if everyone who can get vaccinated would and hopefully it will be roughly as effective as the vaccinations most of us use today.
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A vaccine is not going to rid us of this problem being that so many will refuse to get vaccinated. I don't see how a vaccine is the silver bullet in this case.
So here's a hypothetical.. Let's assume Fauci and Birx are sidelined or fired (likely at this point) and the Trump administration announces they have a vaccine and it's ready to go. Do you trust them?
Given the challenges with vaccine development, testing and production, I don't think there's any way that this scenario occurs i.e. an "in-house" vaccine produced by the Trump admin. Any vaccine is going to have data from development and testing. If no data is released, then no, I'm not inclined to trust it, no matter who makes the claim.
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A vaccine is not going to rid us of this problem being that so many will refuse to get vaccinated. I don't see how a vaccine is the silver bullet in this case.
So here's a hypothetical.. Let's assume Fauci and Birx are sidelined or fired (likely at this point) and the Trump administration announces they have a vaccine and it's ready to go. Do you trust them?
Given the challenges with vaccine development, testing and production, I don't think there's any way that this scenario occurs i.e. an "in-house" vaccine produced by the Trump admin. Any vaccine is going to have data from development and testing. If no data is released, then no, I'm not inclined to trust it, no matter who makes the claim.
Fair enough. I think that's probably right, that it will have the international community's fingerprints and testing all over it. I was just thinking about that last night when I started to see the Fauci stuff happening. At this point, the Trump admin is useless as a centralized control entity for management of the outbreak. But they will be integral to distribution of the vaccine whether it originates here in the States or somewhere else.
A vaccine is not going to rid us of this problem being that so many will refuse to get vaccinated. I don't see how a vaccine is the silver bullet in this case.
But most of those that refuse to get vaccinated will be willing to go to games, concerts, work, etc. So it'll be part "herd immunity" and part vaccine. Certain jobs (medical, of course) will probably have requirements (I assume that's legal and done with measles, etc.). It would be ideal if everyone who can get vaccinated would and hopefully it will be roughly as effective as the vaccinations most of us use today.
I'm not sure that relying on herd immunity is a viable option either at this point, being that studies continue to show that antibody levels decrease rapidly after infection. As a layman, it seems to me that this virus will continue to circulate even after a vaccine is available.
A vaccine is not going to rid us of this problem being that so many will refuse to get vaccinated. I don't see how a vaccine is the silver bullet in this case.
So here's a hypothetical.. Let's assume Fauci and Birx are sidelined or fired (likely at this point) and the Trump administration announces they have a vaccine and it's ready to go. Do you trust them?
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A vaccine is not going to rid us of this problem being that so many will refuse to get vaccinated. I don't see how a vaccine is the silver bullet in this case.
So here's a hypothetical.. Let's assume Fauci and Birx are sidelined or fired (likely at this point) and the Trump administration announces they have a vaccine and it's ready to go. Do you trust them?
Absolutely fucking not. How can you trust anything Team Trump Treason spews forth? He's told over 20,000 lies and/or misleading statements since being inaugurated. I'll wait for Sleepy Woke Joe to make the announcement or the efficacy to be reported by reputable sources.
A vaccine is not going to rid us of this problem being that so many will refuse to get vaccinated. I don't see how a vaccine is the silver bullet in this case.
So here's a hypothetical.. Let's assume Fauci and Birx are sidelined or fired (likely at this point) and the Trump administration announces they have a vaccine and it's ready to go. Do you trust them?
Piggybacking on what oftenreading said, it's highly unlikely that this is how things go down. These vaccines are being developed by private companies and will have to undergo regulatory scrutiny. No one should get a vaccine, take a medication, etc. without knowing how effective or safe it is. That sort of information is available for what's on the market today.
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The latest for Michael Osterholm. "Somehow we thought we could win an argument with this virus and we now know we can't."
A vaccine is not going to rid us of this problem being that so many will refuse to get vaccinated. I don't see how a vaccine is the silver bullet in this case.
But most of those that refuse to get vaccinated will be willing to go to games, concerts, work, etc. So it'll be part "herd immunity" and part vaccine. Certain jobs (medical, of course) will probably have requirements (I assume that's legal and done with measles, etc.). It would be ideal if everyone who can get vaccinated would and hopefully it will be roughly as effective as the vaccinations most of us use today.
I'm not sure that relying on herd immunity is a viable option either at this point, being that studies continue to show that antibody levels decrease rapidly after infection. As a layman, it seems to me that this virus will continue to circulate even after a vaccine is available.
Herd immunity is not a solution from what I can tell and I partly said it tongue-in-cheek. I just hope that the anti-vaxxers don't lead to the rest of us (or people that have legit medical reasons to not be able to take it) being in danger. The anti-vax movement is pretty strong and pre-dates Trump. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
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Taiwan also kicked ass, partly due to a "medical card" that allowed near real time access to health care treatment data for their National Health Authority, which allowed them to make fact based decisions on how to respond once it became clear that there might be a pandemic in the making. Something the Clinton Healthcare Plan included when it was introduced in 1993. Imagine that?
One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.
One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.
One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.
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I do feel good that mask adherence is up even from a few weeks ago. Last time I commented on it, probably a month ago, I would say in the suburban/urban areas, adherence was about 75%. Now it's definitely in the 90's. Very few people are in public areas without them.
This article summarizes and compares the two recent U.S. MIS-C studies from New England (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2021680) and New York (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2021756).
Highlights:
The New York group estimated that the majority of MIS-C cases occurred about one month after the peak of Covid-19 cases in the state. They estimated that between March 1 and May 10, two of every 100,000 people under the 21 years of age who had laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 virus developed MIS-C in the state. The infection rate in people under the age of 21 years was 322 in 100,000 over that period.
Manish Patel, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Covid-19 response team, said the message to parents is they should be on the lookout for fever and rash in children who have recently had Covid-19.
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A company in India that produces medicines and vaccines is producing a vaccine for Covid right now. It has not passed the clinical trials yet but they are confident it will and are wasting no time so they started production.
It's a privately owned family company so the risk at losing millions of dollars if it doesn't get approved.
The owner said that 50% goes to India and the other 50% will go to the rest of the world.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-serum-insigh/how-one-indian-company-could-be-worlds-door-to-a-covid-19-vaccine-idUSKBN22Y2BI
Some good reads on my post.
Full coronavirus vaccine unlikely by next year: expert
I have my doubts that we'll get a vaccine that leads to an immune response that is robust enough and durable enough to be useful anytime soon, but I hope I'm wrong.
All the standard caveats about developing a vaccine that is effective apply.
But most of those that refuse to get vaccinated will be willing to go to games, concerts, work, etc. So it'll be part "herd immunity" and part vaccine. Certain jobs (medical, of course) will probably have requirements (I assume that's legal and done with measles, etc.). It would be ideal if everyone who can get vaccinated would and hopefully it will be roughly as effective as the vaccinations most of us use today.
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Given the challenges with vaccine development, testing and production, I don't think there's any way that this scenario occurs i.e. an "in-house" vaccine produced by the Trump admin. Any vaccine is going to have data from development and testing. If no data is released, then no, I'm not inclined to trust it, no matter who makes the claim.
I'm not sure that relying on herd immunity is a viable option either at this point, being that studies continue to show that antibody levels decrease rapidly after infection. As a layman, it seems to me that this virus will continue to circulate even after a vaccine is available.
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Herd immunity is not a solution from what I can tell and I partly said it tongue-in-cheek. I just hope that the anti-vaxxers don't lead to the rest of us (or people that have legit medical reasons to not be able to take it) being in danger. The anti-vax movement is pretty strong and pre-dates Trump. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
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