The coronavirus

GlowGirl

mcgruff10 said:

Happy Monday everyone!  Some good news: my old neighbor has been in a coma for 12 days but is finally showing a little improvement.  Fingers crossed he comes home soon.  

Thank you for sharing good news. We need some. I hope he comes soon as well. 

hedonist

Am I reading correctly that older folks should let themselves die for “the greater good”?

Sounds a bit familiar.  Would that apply to others considered undesirable as well?

Apologies if I’m mistaken but that’s what it sounds like to me. 

Smellyman

Should mention that Taiwan's healthcare is also amazing.  Going to the hospital is run like clockwork getting you to the specialist you need.  If you need blood drawn or xrays or whatever you are just in and out.

If you're not working, you are still required to be enrolled in the healthcare system for a grand total of $749 NTD or $24 usd a month.

bbiggs

And by the way...the fact that these fucking clowns in Washington can't come to terms on a deal is disgusting.  We're facing the greatest crisis of any of our lifetimes, yet it's the same old political bullshit by these ass holes.  Both parties disgust me and they continue to do the same old political tap dance with millions of lives and livelihoods at stake.  Get a clue, Washington.

Spunkie

It is a harsh, unpalatable argument. Especially, in the days to come, when more and more of our loved ones die?

It's is similar to an old U of T civil engineering Stats course problem:

3 people in a boat that will sink as it can only carry the load for two... What do ya do?

F Me In The Brain

bbiggs said:

And by the way...the fact that these fucking clowns in Washington can't come to terms on a deal is disgusting.  We're facing the greatest crisis of any of our lifetimes, yet it's the same old political bullshit by these ass holes.  Both parties disgust me and they continue to do the same old political tap dance with millions of lives and livelihoods at stake.  Get a clue, Washington.

If they could only pass things through in smaller groups it might be less likely to be held up.

Some of their ideas seem idiotic, to me.  (Give people who don't make too much $1200?  What fucking good is that?  Be gone right away.)

Spiritual_Chaos

Smellyman said:

Should mention that Taiwan's healthcare is also amazing.  Going to the hospital is run like clockwork getting you to the specialist you need.  If you need blood drawn or xrays or whatever you are just in and out.

If you're not working, you are still required to be enrolled in the healthcare system for a grand total of $749 NTD or $24 usd a month.

Get that stinking s o c i a l i s m  out of here. Peoples health and life's should be out there on the market place for the highest margins and the benefit of stockholders.

/s

Spiritual_Chaos

tish said:

It is a harsh, unpalatable argument. Especially, in the days to come, when more and more of our loved ones die?

It's is similar to an old U of T civil engineering Stats course problem:

3 people in a boat that will sink as it can only carry the load for two... What do ya do?

Strengthen the boat?

static111

DewieCox said:

static111 said:

tish said:

Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.

This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.

An argument for economy over disease:

With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?

Not a bad argument but be prepared to be vilified.  

Yes, because its fucking disgusting.

To your worldview

static111

bbiggs said:

And by the way...the fact that these fucking clowns in Washington can't come to terms on a deal is disgusting.  We're facing the greatest crisis of any of our lifetimes, yet it's the same old political bullshit by these ass holes.  Both parties disgust me and they continue to do the same old political tap dance with millions of lives and livelihoods at stake.  Get a clue, Washington.

They are trying to please their corporate masters and buy us all off with a 1200 check.  I highly doubt any legislation they reach will have a meaningful impact on us working stiffs that have had our lives and income put on hold. Of course miracles do happen 

pjl44

bbiggs said:

And by the way...the fact that these fucking clowns in Washington can't come to terms on a deal is disgusting.  We're facing the greatest crisis of any of our lifetimes, yet it's the same old political bullshit by these ass holes.  Both parties disgust me and they continue to do the same old political tap dance with millions of lives and livelihoods at stake.  Get a clue, Washington.

It's insane. I can't always tell what is just an idea floated vs. what has actually appeared in a draft of a bill, but it seems both sides are trying to jam unrelated pet policy ideas into this and insisting it's tangentially related. Extremely frustrating that these people cannot resist power plays at every turn.

bbiggs

pjl44 said:

bbiggs said:

And by the way...the fact that these fucking clowns in Washington can't come to terms on a deal is disgusting.  We're facing the greatest crisis of any of our lifetimes, yet it's the same old political bullshit by these ass holes.  Both parties disgust me and they continue to do the same old political tap dance with millions of lives and livelihoods at stake.  Get a clue, Washington.

It's insane. I can't always tell what is just an idea floated vs. what has actually appeared in a draft of a bill, but it seems both sides are trying to jam unrelated pet policy ideas into this and insisting it's tangentially related. Extremely frustrating that these people cannot resist power plays at every turn.

Perfectly said.  It infuriates me.  It further confirms that our political system is broken beyond repair.

Spunkie

tempo_n_groove said:

tish said:

Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.

This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.

An argument for economy over disease:

With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?

The problem I have with the youth is them not taking this so seriously.  

Yes, our PM is launching a media campaign today so that they are aware of the risk they are posing to or elderly, ill, health care workers, and front-line essential goods workers. Our Emergency Act is still not invoked to stop them.

DewieCox

static111 said:

DewieCox said:

static111 said:

tish said:

Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.

This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.

An argument for economy over disease:

With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?

Not a bad argument but be prepared to be vilified.  

Yes, because its fucking disgusting.

To your worldview

I’m putting people with that worldview to the grinder before I put the elderly.

Jason P

static111 said:

DewieCox said:

static111 said:

tish said:

Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.

This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.

An argument for economy over disease:

With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?

Not a bad argument but be prepared to be vilified.  

Yes, because its fucking disgusting.

To your worldview

Some may consider you elderly in their worldview.   Are you prepared to sacrifice?  

funny how perception works.  

static111

DewieCox said:

static111 said:

DewieCox said:

static111 said:

tish said:

Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.

This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.

An argument for economy over disease:

With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?

Not a bad argument but be prepared to be vilified.  

Yes, because its fucking disgusting.

To your worldview

I’m putting people with that worldview to the grinder before I put the elderly.

It’s a question that is probably gonna have to be asked if there isn’t a cure in t long term  and some form of help from the government short term.  Or do you think people can go on with this uncertainty indefinitely?

mace1229

tish said:

Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.

This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.

An argument for economy over disease:

With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?

You do realize killing or letting old people die will do nothing for the overall population, right? 

If your goal is really population control you’d have to kill people before they reproduce.
This has been attempted before. Maybe I should give you time to research Hitler and see how that turned out.

DewieCox

It doesn’t take a best case scenario regarding  a cure to ovecome the worst case scenario for outbreak and managing the virus. 

If it comes to selecting a demographic to die then either we have need of a massive restructuring of society or to let the world burn. 

pjl44

In terms of how hard it's gonna hit you, age is just a risk factor, right? From everything I've consumed, I'd rather be a reasonably healthy 70yo than a 38yo with asthma, no?

Spiritual_Chaos

Just got asked by my boss about "permiterring" (can't find an English word for it, "layoff" is wrong I think...) meaning I would be forced to lower my pay to 93% or something but work 80%. For some weeks going forward. if that is the case.