Just when I think he can't go any lower he does. President Trump is such a POS: “For whatever reason, New York got off to a very late start and you see what happens when you get off to a late start," Trump said during his daily White House news conference. "New Jersey got off to — and I think both governors are doing an excellent job now but they got off to a very late start.”
A spokesman for New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy responded Tuesday night by saying the New Jersey governor “was far ahead of the federal government in responding swiftly and decisively to the spread of COVID-19."
“If anything, the federal government has been following his lead,” Mahen Gunaratna, Murphy’s communications director, said in a statement to NJ Advance Media.
And Cuomo’s communications director, Dani Lever, responded to Trump’s comments by saying: “This is not the time to debate, but the states were not slow to respond — the federal government was absent.”
Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over?
Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one.
lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..
I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore.
Here is my take. Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this. But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now. There is only one Republican controlled Senate.
It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow. The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax. The different government organizations take the lead from the administration. You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough. If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because it is my fault and failure to lead.
Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office. But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action.
Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.
I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.
The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.
That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.
So we agree on the false sense of security, good. At the same time, Fauci has said the travel ban placed on January 31st saved tens of thousands of lives, but yet it was still met with harsh criticism. House Dems were pushing to pass the No Ban Act on March 12th, just 3 days after trump tweeted damaging information they were pushing to halt travel restrictions that were deemed as life saving by the NIAID. What if they had got the act passed, what would the current situation look like? See how this works? You see one side as responsible for everything and I choose to believe both parties have skin in the game. My viewpoint isn't an attack on you, it is your choice to believe whatever you want.
Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over?
Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one.
lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..
I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore.
Here is my take. Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this. But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now. There is only one Republican controlled Senate.
It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow. The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax. The different government organizations take the lead from the administration. You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough. If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because it is my fault and failure to lead.
Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office. But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action.
Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.
I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.
The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.
That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.
So we agree on the false sense of security, good. At the same time, Fauci has said the travel ban placed on January 31st saved tens of thousands of lives, but yet it was still met with harsh criticism. House Dems were pushing to pass the No Ban Act on March 12th, just 3 days after trump tweeted damaging information they were pushing to halt travel restrictions that were deemed as life saving by the NIAID. What if they had got the act passed, what would the current situation look like? See how this works? You see one side as responsible for everything and I choose to believe both parties have skin in the game. My viewpoint isn't an attack on you, it is your choice to believe whatever you want.
You forget this is the Trump is the disease not a symptom and if it’s not his fault it’s Bernie’s part of the board. Yes both sides are bad. One side is marginally better for some and one side is marginally better for others. Therefore let’s all take extreme positions and yell at each other!
Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over?
Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one.
lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..
I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore.
Here is my take. Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this. But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now. There is only one Republican controlled Senate.
It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow. The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax. The different government organizations take the lead from the administration. You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough. If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because it is my fault and failure to lead.
Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office. But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action.
Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.
I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.
The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.
That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.
So we agree on the false sense of security, good. At the same time, Fauci has said the travel ban placed on January 31st saved tens of thousands of lives, but yet it was still met with harsh criticism. House Dems were pushing to pass the No Ban Act on March 12th, just 3 days after trump tweeted damaging information they were pushing to halt travel restrictions that were deemed as life saving by the NIAID. What if they had got the act passed, what would the current situation look like? See how this works? You see one side as responsible for everything and I choose to believe both parties have skin in the game. My viewpoint isn't an attack on you, it is your choice to believe whatever you want.
You forget this is the Trump is the disease not a symptom and if it’s not his fault it’s Bernie’s part of the board. Yes both sides are bad. One side is marginally better for some and one side is marginally better for others. Therefore let’s all take extreme positions and yell at each other!
Lol, actually I forgot to make sure to say I am not endorsing trump because any criticism away from him tends to be seen as showing support.
Sometimes Twitter is really promoting false information and we would be good to think things through.
Why would it say "adult rain poncho" on it, then?
They were using material from baseball jerseys to sew masks so I guess there's an outside chance they used poncho bags to package them. The safe bet, though, is that they were indeed handing out adult rain ponchos to be worn.
Sometimes Twitter is really promoting false information and we would be good to think things through.
Why would it say "adult rain poncho" on it, then?
C'mon, is it that hard to apply some thought/common sense?
Perhaps they already have bags made or printing set or whatever that fit the ponchos that already will fit the gowns and or masks that they very clearly ARE making to try and help out as shown in the actual news link that I shared?
Just try to think a little before sharing anything you find on twitter and taking it at face value. (This is not a comment directly for you, although it applies to this and other twitter shares you have done in the past.)
Sometimes Twitter is really promoting false information and we would be good to think things through.
Why would it say "adult rain poncho" on it, then?
They were using material from baseball jerseys to sew masks so I guess there's an outside chance they used poncho bags to package them. The safe bet, though, is that they were indeed handing out adult rain ponchos to be worn.
The article shows they were making gowns and masks..
Sometimes Twitter is really promoting false information and we would be good to think things through.
Why would it say "adult rain poncho" on it, then?
They were using material from baseball jerseys to sew masks so I guess there's an outside chance they used poncho bags to package them. The safe bet, though, is that they were indeed handing out adult rain ponchos to be worn.
Same thing happened in China. However I'll take anything posted on twitter with a grain of salt.
Sometimes Twitter is really promoting false information and we would be good to think things through.
Why would it say "adult rain poncho" on it, then?
C'mon, is it that hard to apply some thought/common sense?
Perhaps they already have bags made or printing set or whatever that fit the ponchos that already will fit the gowns and or masks that they very clearly ARE making to try and help out as shown in the actual news link that I shared?
Just try to think a little before sharing anything you find on twitter and taking it at face value. (This is not a comment directly for you, although it applies to this and other twitter shares you have done in the past.)
I don't have a problem with the general gist of what you are saying.
But I have a feeling in this case that your explanation/theory is more far fetched than what is presented at face value.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Sometimes Twitter is really promoting false information and we would be good to think things through.
Why would it say "adult rain poncho" on it, then?
They were using material from baseball jerseys to sew masks so I guess there's an outside chance they used poncho bags to package them. The safe bet, though, is that they were indeed handing out adult rain ponchos to be worn.
The article shows they were making gowns and masks..
Yeah, who knows. That would be a shitty thing to post on social media if it was indeed the new Fanatics PPE. But I have definitely seen pictures of frontline clinicians outfitted in ponchos.
Why would you feel that way? There is an actual real news story showing the company already was providing them in some states and was soon to be providing in NY. That is the logical conclusion. It doesn't say they are sending out ponchos
Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over?
Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one.
lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..
I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore.
Here is my take. Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this. But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now. There is only one Republican controlled Senate.
It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow. The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax. The different government organizations take the lead from the administration. You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough. If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because it is my fault and failure to lead.
Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office. But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action.
Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.
I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.
The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.
That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.
So we agree on the false sense of security, good. At the same time, Fauci has said the travel ban placed on January 31st saved tens of thousands of lives, but yet it was still met with harsh criticism. House Dems were pushing to pass the No Ban Act on March 12th, just 3 days after trump tweeted damaging information they were pushing to halt travel restrictions that were deemed as life saving by the NIAID. What if they had got the act passed, what would the current situation look like? See how this works? You see one side as responsible for everything and I choose to believe both parties have skin in the game. My viewpoint isn't an attack on you, it is your choice to believe whatever you want.
Why did Team trump Treason wait 2-3 weeks before implementing the travel ban then? He was told by our intelligence agencies before the congressional intelligence committees were informed and prior to his Secretary of Health finally getting to him on January 18th. But yea, lets blame the dem house for an action taken on March 12th and intimate that both sides are bad. Only Bernie can save us. What if Team trump treason had done nothing? See how that works? Because he belatedly did something well after the cat was out of the bag, the dems are to be equally be blamed. Only one party controls the Executive Branch, the branch most equipped and able to handle and authorize a response to a pandemic.
Sometimes Twitter is really promoting false information and we would be good to think things through.
Why would it say "adult rain poncho" on it, then?
They were using material from baseball jerseys to sew masks so I guess there's an outside chance they used poncho bags to package them. The safe bet, though, is that they were indeed handing out adult rain ponchos to be worn.
The article shows they were making gowns and masks..
Yeah, who knows. That would be a shitty thing to post on social media if it was indeed the new Fanatics PPE. But I have definitely seen pictures of frontline clinicians outfitted in ponchos.
Giving her benefit of the doubt she hadn't opened yet. I am sure they are on their last strand of patience ...and would also prefer to have their normal gear.
China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says
(Bloomberg) -- China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret, and they declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.
The report was received by the White House last week, one of the officials said.
The outbreak began in China’s Hubei province in late 2019, but the country has publicly reported only about 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. That compares to more than 189,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths in the U.S., which has the largest publicly reported outbreak in the world.
Communications staff at the White House and the Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
“The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,” Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday on CNN. “What appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.
While China eventually imposed a strict lockdown beyond those of less autocratic nations, there has been considerable skepticism toward China’s reported numbers, both outside and within the country. The Chinese government has repeatedly revised its methodology for counting cases, for weeks excluding people without symptoms entirely, and only on Tuesday added more than 1,500 asymptomatic cases to its total.
Stacks of thousands of urns outside funeral homes in Hubei province have driven public doubt in Beijing’s reporting.
Republican lawmakers in the U.S. have been particularly harsh about China’s role in the outbreak. Enhancing Beijing’s role in the pandemic could be politically helpful to President Donald Trump, who has sought to shift blame for the U.S. outbreak away from his administration’s delays in achieving widespread testing for the virus and mobilizing greater production of supplies such as face masks and hospital ventilators.
“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”
Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak, said Tuesday that China’s public reporting influenced assumptions elsewhere in the world about the nature of the virus.
“The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,” she said at a news conference on Tuesday. “Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.”
China isn’t the only country with suspect public reporting. Western officials have pointed to Iran, Russia, Indonesia and especially North Korea, which has not reported a single case of the disease, as probable under-counts. Others including Saudi Arabia and Egypt may also be playing down their numbers.
U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo has publicly urged China and other nations to be transparent about their outbreaks. He has repeatedly accused China of covering up the extent of the problem and being slow to share information, especially in the weeks after the virus first emerged, and blocking offers of help from American experts.
“This data set matters,” he said at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday. The development of medical therapies and public-health measures to combat the virus “so that we can save lives depends on the ability to have confidence and information about what has actually transpired,” he said.
“I would urge every nation: Do your best to collect the data. Do your best to share that information,” he said. “We’re doing that.”
Sometimes Twitter is really promoting false information and we would be good to think things through.
Why would it say "adult rain poncho" on it, then?
They were using material from baseball jerseys to sew masks so I guess there's an outside chance they used poncho bags to package them. The safe bet, though, is that they were indeed handing out adult rain ponchos to be worn.
The article shows they were making gowns and masks..
Yeah, who knows. That would be a shitty thing to post on social media if it was indeed the new Fanatics PPE. But I have definitely seen pictures of frontline clinicians outfitted in ponchos.
Giving her benefit of the doubt she hadn't opened yet. I am sure they are on their last strand of patience ...and would also prefer to have their normal gear.
Sometimes Twitter is really promoting false information and we would be good to think things through.
Why would it say "adult rain poncho" on it, then?
They were using material from baseball jerseys to sew masks so I guess there's an outside chance they used poncho bags to package them. The safe bet, though, is that they were indeed handing out adult rain ponchos to be worn.
The article shows they were making gowns and masks..
Yeah, who knows. That would be a shitty thing to post on social media if it was indeed the new Fanatics PPE. But I have definitely seen pictures of frontline clinicians outfitted in ponchos.
Giving her benefit of the doubt she hadn't opened yet. I am sure they are on their last strand of patience ...and would also prefer to have their normal gear.
We'll see, a lot of journalists have reached out to her (NBC/Vice etc) and she hasn't deleted the post.
My guess would be, if it indeed was gear made for a hospital just shipped in the bag, she would have removed the tweet when it catched viral fire.
To me, and I'm quoting you, That is the logical conclusion.
But we'll see. Could be wrong. But just because it is on twitter doesn't mean it is a scam. Unless it is from the US presidents twitter.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Sometimes Twitter is really promoting false information and we would be good to think things through.
Why would it say "adult rain poncho" on it, then?
They were using material from baseball jerseys to sew masks so I guess there's an outside chance they used poncho bags to package them. The safe bet, though, is that they were indeed handing out adult rain ponchos to be worn.
The article shows they were making gowns and masks..
Yeah, who knows. That would be a shitty thing to post on social media if it was indeed the new Fanatics PPE. But I have definitely seen pictures of frontline clinicians outfitted in ponchos.
Giving her benefit of the doubt she hadn't opened yet. I am sure they are on their last strand of patience ...and would also prefer to have their normal gear.
So - the hospital also failed miserably. Many workplaces have pandemic plans and even buy PPE way ahead of time. I'm unsure why the hospitals seemed to be out of PPE instantly. No plan. Waiting on someone to save their ass.
And yes, the fed/trump should have saved their ass, but this event is also showing the failures at the local hospital level.
China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says
(Bloomberg) -- China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret, and they declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.
The report was received by the White House last week, one of the officials said.
The outbreak began in China’s Hubei province in late 2019, but the country has publicly reported only about 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. That compares to more than 189,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths in the U.S., which has the largest publicly reported outbreak in the world.
Communications staff at the White House and the Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
“The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,” Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday on CNN. “What appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.
While China eventually imposed a strict lockdown beyond those of less autocratic nations, there has been considerable skepticism toward China’s reported numbers, both outside and within the country. The Chinese government has repeatedly revised its methodology for counting cases, for weeks excluding people without symptoms entirely, and only on Tuesday added more than 1,500 asymptomatic cases to its total.
Stacks of thousands of urns outside funeral homes in Hubei province have driven public doubt in Beijing’s reporting.
Republican lawmakers in the U.S. have been particularly harsh about China’s role in the outbreak. Enhancing Beijing’s role in the pandemic could be politically helpful to President Donald Trump, who has sought to shift blame for the U.S. outbreak away from his administration’s delays in achieving widespread testing for the virus and mobilizing greater production of supplies such as face masks and hospital ventilators.
“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”
Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak, said Tuesday that China’s public reporting influenced assumptions elsewhere in the world about the nature of the virus.
“The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,” she said at a news conference on Tuesday. “Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.”
China isn’t the only country with suspect public reporting. Western officials have pointed to Iran, Russia, Indonesia and especially North Korea, which has not reported a single case of the disease, as probable under-counts. Others including Saudi Arabia and Egypt may also be playing down their numbers.
U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo has publicly urged China and other nations to be transparent about their outbreaks. He has repeatedly accused China of covering up the extent of the problem and being slow to share information, especially in the weeks after the virus first emerged, and blocking offers of help from American experts.
“This data set matters,” he said at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday. The development of medical therapies and public-health measures to combat the virus “so that we can save lives depends on the ability to have confidence and information about what has actually transpired,” he said.
“I would urge every nation: Do your best to collect the data. Do your best to share that information,” he said. “We’re doing that.”
If the world knew about it in December, why did Team Trump Treason wait until the end of January to implement a travel ban from China?
China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says
(Bloomberg) -- China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret, and they declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.
The report was received by the White House last week, one of the officials said.
The outbreak began in China’s Hubei province in late 2019, but the country has publicly reported only about 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. That compares to more than 189,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths in the U.S., which has the largest publicly reported outbreak in the world.
Communications staff at the White House and the Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
“The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,” Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday on CNN. “What appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.
While China eventually imposed a strict lockdown beyond those of less autocratic nations, there has been considerable skepticism toward China’s reported numbers, both outside and within the country. The Chinese government has repeatedly revised its methodology for counting cases, for weeks excluding people without symptoms entirely, and only on Tuesday added more than 1,500 asymptomatic cases to its total.
Stacks of thousands of urns outside funeral homes in Hubei province have driven public doubt in Beijing’s reporting.
Republican lawmakers in the U.S. have been particularly harsh about China’s role in the outbreak. Enhancing Beijing’s role in the pandemic could be politically helpful to President Donald Trump, who has sought to shift blame for the U.S. outbreak away from his administration’s delays in achieving widespread testing for the virus and mobilizing greater production of supplies such as face masks and hospital ventilators.
“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”
Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak, said Tuesday that China’s public reporting influenced assumptions elsewhere in the world about the nature of the virus.
“The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,” she said at a news conference on Tuesday. “Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.”
China isn’t the only country with suspect public reporting. Western officials have pointed to Iran, Russia, Indonesia and especially North Korea, which has not reported a single case of the disease, as probable under-counts. Others including Saudi Arabia and Egypt may also be playing down their numbers.
U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo has publicly urged China and other nations to be transparent about their outbreaks. He has repeatedly accused China of covering up the extent of the problem and being slow to share information, especially in the weeks after the virus first emerged, and blocking offers of help from American experts.
“This data set matters,” he said at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday. The development of medical therapies and public-health measures to combat the virus “so that we can save lives depends on the ability to have confidence and information about what has actually transpired,” he said.
“I would urge every nation: Do your best to collect the data. Do your best to share that information,” he said. “We’re doing that.”
If the world knew about it in December, why did Team Trump Treason wait until the end of January to implement a travel ban from China?
And yet was still the first country to do so, right? That is crazy. People too afraid to look like they are doing too much to do anything. A learn from experience would be extremely valuable after this is over...assuming we follow the learnings next time.
I would imagine it takes a lot to close down travel to/from countries.
I mean, when the first cases came to Sweden they were tracing back every case etc and did not anticipate a community spread pandemic like the world sees now.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over?
Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one.
lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..
I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore.
Here is my take. Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this. But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now. There is only one Republican controlled Senate.
It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow. The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax. The different government organizations take the lead from the administration. You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough. If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because it is my fault and failure to lead.
Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office. But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action.
Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.
I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.
The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.
That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.
So we agree on the false sense of security, good. At the same time, Fauci has said the travel ban placed on January 31st saved tens of thousands of lives, but yet it was still met with harsh criticism. House Dems were pushing to pass the No Ban Act on March 12th, just 3 days after trump tweeted damaging information they were pushing to halt travel restrictions that were deemed as life saving by the NIAID. What if they had got the act passed, what would the current situation look like? See how this works? You see one side as responsible for everything and I choose to believe both parties have skin in the game. My viewpoint isn't an attack on you, it is your choice to believe whatever you want.
Why did Team trump Treason wait 2-3 weeks before implementing the travel ban then? He was told by our intelligence agencies before the congressional intelligence committees were informed and prior to his Secretary of Health finally getting to him on January 18th. But yea, lets blame the dem house for an action taken on March 12th and intimate that both sides are bad. Only Bernie can save us. What if Team trump treason had done nothing? See how that works? Because he belatedly did something well after the cat was out of the bag, the dems are to be equally be blamed. Only one party controls the Executive Branch, the branch most equipped and able to handle and authorize a response to a pandemic.
I can’t wait for the next democratic president. You all will finally get your trophy back and the rest of us won’t have to be reminded on a daily basis how upset you are. I’m done.
Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over?
Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one.
lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..
I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore.
Here is my take. Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this. But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now. There is only one Republican controlled Senate.
It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow. The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax. The different government organizations take the lead from the administration. You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough. If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because it is my fault and failure to lead.
Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office. But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action.
Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.
I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.
The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.
That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.
So we agree on the false sense of security, good. At the same time, Fauci has said the travel ban placed on January 31st saved tens of thousands of lives, but yet it was still met with harsh criticism. House Dems were pushing to pass the No Ban Act on March 12th, just 3 days after trump tweeted damaging information they were pushing to halt travel restrictions that were deemed as life saving by the NIAID. What if they had got the act passed, what would the current situation look like? See how this works? You see one side as responsible for everything and I choose to believe both parties have skin in the game. My viewpoint isn't an attack on you, it is your choice to believe whatever you want.
Why did Team trump Treason wait 2-3 weeks before implementing the travel ban then? He was told by our intelligence agencies before the congressional intelligence committees were informed and prior to his Secretary of Health finally getting to him on January 18th. But yea, lets blame the dem house for an action taken on March 12th and intimate that both sides are bad. Only Bernie can save us. What if Team trump treason had done nothing? See how that works? Because he belatedly did something well after the cat was out of the bag, the dems are to be equally be blamed. Only one party controls the Executive Branch, the branch most equipped and able to handle and authorize a response to a pandemic.
I can’t wait for the next democratic president. You all will finally get your trophy back and the rest of us won’t have to be reminded on a daily basis how upset you are. I’m done.
Everyone who values leadership cannot wait until this bozo is out of office.
Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over?
Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one.
lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..
I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore.
Here is my take. Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this. But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now. There is only one Republican controlled Senate.
It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow. The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax. The different government organizations take the lead from the administration. You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough. If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because it is my fault and failure to lead.
Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office. But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action.
Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.
I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.
The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.
That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.
So we agree on the false sense of security, good. At the same time, Fauci has said the travel ban placed on January 31st saved tens of thousands of lives, but yet it was still met with harsh criticism. House Dems were pushing to pass the No Ban Act on March 12th, just 3 days after trump tweeted damaging information they were pushing to halt travel restrictions that were deemed as life saving by the NIAID. What if they had got the act passed, what would the current situation look like? See how this works? You see one side as responsible for everything and I choose to believe both parties have skin in the game. My viewpoint isn't an attack on you, it is your choice to believe whatever you want.
Why did Team trump Treason wait 2-3 weeks before implementing the travel ban then? He was told by our intelligence agencies before the congressional intelligence committees were informed and prior to his Secretary of Health finally getting to him on January 18th. But yea, lets blame the dem house for an action taken on March 12th and intimate that both sides are bad. Only Bernie can save us. What if Team trump treason had done nothing? See how that works? Because he belatedly did something well after the cat was out of the bag, the dems are to be equally be blamed. Only one party controls the Executive Branch, the branch most equipped and able to handle and authorize a response to a pandemic.
I can’t wait for the next democratic president. You all will finally get your trophy back and the rest of us won’t have to be reminded on a daily basis how upset you are. I’m done.
Everyone who values leadership cannot wait until this bozo is out of office.
It should be true. He is an anti-leader. He has none of the traits of a leader, not 1.
All you liberals that voted against McCain and Romney gave us this shithead Wait...I voted against McCain.
Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over?
Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one.
lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..
I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore.
Here is my take. Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this. But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now. There is only one Republican controlled Senate.
It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow. The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax. The different government organizations take the lead from the administration. You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough. If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because it is my fault and failure to lead.
Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office. But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action.
Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.
I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.
The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.
That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.
So we agree on the false sense of security, good. At the same time, Fauci has said the travel ban placed on January 31st saved tens of thousands of lives, but yet it was still met with harsh criticism. House Dems were pushing to pass the No Ban Act on March 12th, just 3 days after trump tweeted damaging information they were pushing to halt travel restrictions that were deemed as life saving by the NIAID. What if they had got the act passed, what would the current situation look like? See how this works? You see one side as responsible for everything and I choose to believe both parties have skin in the game. My viewpoint isn't an attack on you, it is your choice to believe whatever you want.
Why did Team trump Treason wait 2-3 weeks before implementing the travel ban then? He was told by our intelligence agencies before the congressional intelligence committees were informed and prior to his Secretary of Health finally getting to him on January 18th. But yea, lets blame the dem house for an action taken on March 12th and intimate that both sides are bad. Only Bernie can save us. What if Team trump treason had done nothing? See how that works? Because he belatedly did something well after the cat was out of the bag, the dems are to be equally be blamed. Only one party controls the Executive Branch, the branch most equipped and able to handle and authorize a response to a pandemic.
I can’t wait for the next democratic president. You all will finally get your trophy back and the rest of us won’t have to be reminded on a daily basis how upset you are. I’m done.
Everyone who values leadership cannot wait until this bozo is out of office.
It should be true. He is an anti-leader. He has none of the traits of a leader, not 1.
All you liberals that voted against McCain and Romney gave us this shithead Wait...I voted against McCain.
Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over?
Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one.
lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..
I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore.
Here is my take. Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this. But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now. There is only one Republican controlled Senate.
It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow. The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax. The different government organizations take the lead from the administration. You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough. If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because it is my fault and failure to lead.
Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office. But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action.
Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.
I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.
The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.
That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.
So we agree on the false sense of security, good. At the same time, Fauci has said the travel ban placed on January 31st saved tens of thousands of lives, but yet it was still met with harsh criticism. House Dems were pushing to pass the No Ban Act on March 12th, just 3 days after trump tweeted damaging information they were pushing to halt travel restrictions that were deemed as life saving by the NIAID. What if they had got the act passed, what would the current situation look like? See how this works? You see one side as responsible for everything and I choose to believe both parties have skin in the game. My viewpoint isn't an attack on you, it is your choice to believe whatever you want.
Why did Team trump Treason wait 2-3 weeks before implementing the travel ban then? He was told by our intelligence agencies before the congressional intelligence committees were informed and prior to his Secretary of Health finally getting to him on January 18th. But yea, lets blame the dem house for an action taken on March 12th and intimate that both sides are bad. Only Bernie can save us. What if Team trump treason had done nothing? See how that works? Because he belatedly did something well after the cat was out of the bag, the dems are to be equally be blamed. Only one party controls the Executive Branch, the branch most equipped and able to handle and authorize a response to a pandemic.
I can’t wait for the next democratic president. You all will finally get your trophy back and the rest of us won’t have to be reminded on a daily basis how upset you are. I’m done.
Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over?
Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one.
lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..
I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore.
Here is my take. Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this. But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now. There is only one Republican controlled Senate.
It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow. The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax. The different government organizations take the lead from the administration. You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough. If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because it is my fault and failure to lead.
Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office. But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action.
Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.
I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.
The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.
That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.
So we agree on the false sense of security, good. At the same time, Fauci has said the travel ban placed on January 31st saved tens of thousands of lives, but yet it was still met with harsh criticism. House Dems were pushing to pass the No Ban Act on March 12th, just 3 days after trump tweeted damaging information they were pushing to halt travel restrictions that were deemed as life saving by the NIAID. What if they had got the act passed, what would the current situation look like? See how this works? You see one side as responsible for everything and I choose to believe both parties have skin in the game. My viewpoint isn't an attack on you, it is your choice to believe whatever you want.
Why did Team trump Treason wait 2-3 weeks before implementing the travel ban then? He was told by our intelligence agencies before the congressional intelligence committees were informed and prior to his Secretary of Health finally getting to him on January 18th. But yea, lets blame the dem house for an action taken on March 12th and intimate that both sides are bad. Only Bernie can save us. What if Team trump treason had done nothing? See how that works? Because he belatedly did something well after the cat was out of the bag, the dems are to be equally be blamed. Only one party controls the Executive Branch, the branch most equipped and able to handle and authorize a response to a pandemic.
I can’t wait for the next democratic president. You all will finally get your trophy back and the rest of us won’t have to be reminded on a daily basis how upset you are. I’m done.
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There are no kings inside the gates of eden
But I have a feeling in this case that your explanation/theory is more far fetched than what is presented at face value.
There is an actual real news story showing the company already was providing them in some states and was soon to be providing in NY.
That is the logical conclusion. It doesn't say they are sending out ponchos
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(Bloomberg) -- China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret, and they declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.
The report was received by the White House last week, one of the officials said.
The outbreak began in China’s Hubei province in late 2019, but the country has publicly reported only about 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. That compares to more than 189,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths in the U.S., which has the largest publicly reported outbreak in the world.
Communications staff at the White House and the Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
“The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,” Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday on CNN. “What appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.
While China eventually imposed a strict lockdown beyond those of less autocratic nations, there has been considerable skepticism toward China’s reported numbers, both outside and within the country. The Chinese government has repeatedly revised its methodology for counting cases, for weeks excluding people without symptoms entirely, and only on Tuesday added more than 1,500 asymptomatic cases to its total.
Stacks of thousands of urns outside funeral homes in Hubei province have driven public doubt in Beijing’s reporting.
Republican lawmakers in the U.S. have been particularly harsh about China’s role in the outbreak. Enhancing Beijing’s role in the pandemic could be politically helpful to President Donald Trump, who has sought to shift blame for the U.S. outbreak away from his administration’s delays in achieving widespread testing for the virus and mobilizing greater production of supplies such as face masks and hospital ventilators.
“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”
Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak, said Tuesday that China’s public reporting influenced assumptions elsewhere in the world about the nature of the virus.
“The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,” she said at a news conference on Tuesday. “Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.”
China isn’t the only country with suspect public reporting. Western officials have pointed to Iran, Russia, Indonesia and especially North Korea, which has not reported a single case of the disease, as probable under-counts. Others including Saudi Arabia and Egypt may also be playing down their numbers.
U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo has publicly urged China and other nations to be transparent about their outbreaks. He has repeatedly accused China of covering up the extent of the problem and being slow to share information, especially in the weeks after the virus first emerged, and blocking offers of help from American experts.
“This data set matters,” he said at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday. The development of medical therapies and public-health measures to combat the virus “so that we can save lives depends on the ability to have confidence and information about what has actually transpired,” he said.
“I would urge every nation: Do your best to collect the data. Do your best to share that information,” he said. “We’re doing that.”
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My guess would be, if it indeed was gear made for a hospital just shipped in the bag, she would have removed the tweet when it catched viral fire.
To me, and I'm quoting you, That is the logical conclusion.
But we'll see. Could be wrong. But just because it is on twitter doesn't mean it is a scam. Unless it is from the US presidents twitter.
And yes, the fed/trump should have saved their ass, but this event is also showing the failures at the local hospital level.
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I mean, when the first cases came to Sweden they were tracing back every case etc and did not anticipate a community spread pandemic like the world sees now.
All you liberals that voted against McCain and Romney gave us this shithead
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