Andrew Yang's Humanity Forward Movement
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Which topic?rgambs said:
Hahaha really? You're going to say that after firmly expressing your opinion on the topic?ecdanc said:
Who is censoring? I'm in no position to censor anyone but myself. And I do.rgambs said:
Having freedom of thought is an intrinsic part of being human. Most opinions probably aren't worth a damn, but that doesn't mean we should control what people think. Not that we could, anyways.ecdanc said:
Why?rgambs said:Everyone is entitled to an opinion on anything they want to have an opinion on, Mr. Thought Police.
That doesn't mean everyone is entitled to a VOTE on every issue, but we all have opinions, including Mr. Thought Police.
I like Yang, he's a smart fellow and I would be glad to have him as POTUS.
I'm shocked a University professor would be so eager to censor the very thoughts of those with whom he disagrees.
This is why I earlier said that I find cincy (and perhaps you) more arrogant than me: you grant yourself the right to have an opinion on literally everything. I would never claim that for myself.0 -
I mean honestly, you find it weird to say "this is something on which I don't get an opinion?"rgambs said:
Hahaha really? You're going to say that after firmly expressing your opinion on the topic?ecdanc said:
Who is censoring? I'm in no position to censor anyone but myself. And I do.rgambs said:
Having freedom of thought is an intrinsic part of being human. Most opinions probably aren't worth a damn, but that doesn't mean we should control what people think. Not that we could, anyways.ecdanc said:
Why?rgambs said:Everyone is entitled to an opinion on anything they want to have an opinion on, Mr. Thought Police.
That doesn't mean everyone is entitled to a VOTE on every issue, but we all have opinions, including Mr. Thought Police.
I like Yang, he's a smart fellow and I would be glad to have him as POTUS.
I'm shocked a University professor would be so eager to censor the very thoughts of those with whom he disagrees.
This is why I earlier said that I find cincy (and perhaps you) more arrogant than me: you grant yourself the right to have an opinion on literally everything. I would never claim that for myself.0 -
🙄Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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A sampling from the (very long) list of things I don't get to have an opinion about:ecdanc said:
I mean honestly, you find it weird to say "this is something on which I don't get an opinion?"rgambs said:
Hahaha really? You're going to say that after firmly expressing your opinion on the topic?ecdanc said:
Who is censoring? I'm in no position to censor anyone but myself. And I do.rgambs said:
Having freedom of thought is an intrinsic part of being human. Most opinions probably aren't worth a damn, but that doesn't mean we should control what people think. Not that we could, anyways.ecdanc said:
Why?rgambs said:Everyone is entitled to an opinion on anything they want to have an opinion on, Mr. Thought Police.
That doesn't mean everyone is entitled to a VOTE on every issue, but we all have opinions, including Mr. Thought Police.
I like Yang, he's a smart fellow and I would be glad to have him as POTUS.
I'm shocked a University professor would be so eager to censor the very thoughts of those with whom he disagrees.
This is why I earlier said that I find cincy (and perhaps you) more arrogant than me: you grant yourself the right to have an opinion on literally everything. I would never claim that for myself.
Hockey
The best cut of steak
Climate Change
Industrial Polymers
Fortnite
What women can/should do with their bodies.
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"I don't get an opinion" is very VERY different from "YOU don't get an opinion", which is a direct quote.ecdanc said:
I mean honestly, you find it weird to say "this is something on which I don't get an opinion?"rgambs said:
Hahaha really? You're going to say that after firmly expressing your opinion on the topic?ecdanc said:
Who is censoring? I'm in no position to censor anyone but myself. And I do.rgambs said:
Having freedom of thought is an intrinsic part of being human. Most opinions probably aren't worth a damn, but that doesn't mean we should control what people think. Not that we could, anyways.ecdanc said:
Why?rgambs said:Everyone is entitled to an opinion on anything they want to have an opinion on, Mr. Thought Police.
That doesn't mean everyone is entitled to a VOTE on every issue, but we all have opinions, including Mr. Thought Police.
I like Yang, he's a smart fellow and I would be glad to have him as POTUS.
I'm shocked a University professor would be so eager to censor the very thoughts of those with whom he disagrees.
This is why I earlier said that I find cincy (and perhaps you) more arrogant than me: you grant yourself the right to have an opinion on literally everything. I would never claim that for myself.
I'm not interested in what kind of gymnastic moves you are about to employ to pretend you don't have an opinion on abortion, and didn't just express it in this thread.
I relinquish the floor back to Yang Thangers.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I have tried to be careful on this thread to say "what I think AND what some others think here" is irrelevant. If I have failed in that respect, I apologize. I don't always execute perfectly, but it seems preferable to men insisting repeatedly that they have the right to opinions about what women can/should do with their bodies.rgambs said:
"I don't get an opinion" is very VERY different from "YOU don't get an opinion", which isecdanc said:
I mean honestly, you find it weird to say "this is something on which I don't get an opinion?"rgambs said:
Hahaha really? You're going to say that after firmly expressing your opinion on the topic?ecdanc said:
Who is censoring? I'm in no position to censor anyone but myself. And I do.rgambs said:
Having freedom of thought is an intrinsic part of being human. Most opinions probably aren't worth a damn, but that doesn't mean we should control what people think. Not that we could, anyways.ecdanc said:
Why?rgambs said:Everyone is entitled to an opinion on anything they want to have an opinion on, Mr. Thought Police.
That doesn't mean everyone is entitled to a VOTE on every issue, but we all have opinions, including Mr. Thought Police.
I like Yang, he's a smart fellow and I would be glad to have him as POTUS.
I'm shocked a University professor would be so eager to censor the very thoughts of those with whom he disagrees.
This is why I earlier said that I find cincy (and perhaps you) more arrogant than me: you grant yourself the right to have an opinion on literally everything. I would never claim that for myself.
I'm not interested in what kind of gymnastic moves you are about to employ to pretend you don't have an opinion on abortion, and didn't just express it in this thread.
I relinquish the floor back to Yang Thangers.0 -
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
The person being accused, if they’re honest with themselves.ecdanc said:
Who gets to decide if they're true?hedonist said:Yeah, I've had some labels tossed at me too, even just recently! We all have. Not very nice but if they're not true, fuck it - ultimately means nothing.
As to the bickering, could you folks please take it to pm's already?
Opinions, to me, are natural. It’s part of our judgement process. I say opine from the mountaintops! Just don’t expect others to live by, let alone respect, them.0 -
Call me a cynic, but I think you can draw--for most people--a direct line from their opinions to their political actions. Perhaps less of a sense that we're entitled to opinions would reduce the tendency to transform bad opinions into policies.hedonist said:
The person being accused, if they’re honest with themselves.ecdanc said:
Who gets to decide if they're true?hedonist said:Yeah, I've had some labels tossed at me too, even just recently! We all have. Not very nice but if they're not true, fuck it - ultimately means nothing.
As to the bickering, could you folks please take it to pm's already?Opinions, to me, are natural. It’s part of our judgement process. I say opine from the mountaintops! Just don’t expect others to live by, let alone respect, them.0 -
ecdanc said:
Still completely on topic, at least: is Andrew Yang entitled to an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies (especially in relation to birth control)?brianlux said:"Everyone has a right to bodily integrity, and more needs to be done to ensure that women have and maintain that right."
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Is there any veracity to the quote/paraphrase that began this part of the conversation?brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Still completely on topic, at least: is Andrew Yang entitled to an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies (especially in relation to birth control)?brianlux said:"Everyone has a right to bodily integrity, and more needs to be done to ensure that women have and maintain that right."0 -
ecdanc said:
Is there any veracity to the quote/paraphrase that began this part of the conversation?brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Still completely on topic, at least: is Andrew Yang entitled to an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies (especially in relation to birth control)?brianlux said:"Everyone has a right to bodily integrity, and more needs to be done to ensure that women have and maintain that right."You either believe Yang to be honest and forthright in what he states in his policies (I very much do) or you don't."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
That’s an odd response.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Is there any veracity to the quote/paraphrase that began this part of the conversation?brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Still completely on topic, at least: is Andrew Yang entitled to an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies (especially in relation to birth control)?brianlux said:"Everyone has a right to bodily integrity, and more needs to be done to ensure that women have and maintain that right."You either believe Yang to be honest and forthright in what he states in his policies (I very much do) or you don't.0 -
ecdanc said:
That’s an odd response.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Is there any veracity to the quote/paraphrase that began this part of the conversation?brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Still completely on topic, at least: is Andrew Yang entitled to an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies (especially in relation to birth control)?brianlux said:"Everyone has a right to bodily integrity, and more needs to be done to ensure that women have and maintain that right."You either believe Yang to be honest and forthright in what he states in his policies (I very much do) or you don't.Well OK then, I guess I'm not sure what you're fishing for."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I’m not fishing for anything. I see it wasn’t you who posted Yang’s comments regarding abortion and “tragedy.” As one of his supporters, I thought you might have more insight about what he actually said.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
That’s an odd response.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Is there any veracity to the quote/paraphrase that began this part of the conversation?brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Still completely on topic, at least: is Andrew Yang entitled to an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies (especially in relation to birth control)?brianlux said:"Everyone has a right to bodily integrity, and more needs to be done to ensure that women have and maintain that right."You either believe Yang to be honest and forthright in what he states in his policies (I very much do) or you don't.Well OK then, I guess I'm not sure what you're fishing for.0 -
ecdanc said:
I’m not fishing for anything. I see it wasn’t you who posted Yang’s comments regarding abortion and “tragedy.” As one of his supporters, I thought you might have more insight about what he actually said.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
That’s an odd response.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Is there any veracity to the quote/paraphrase that began this part of the conversation?brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Still completely on topic, at least: is Andrew Yang entitled to an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies (especially in relation to birth control)?brianlux said:"Everyone has a right to bodily integrity, and more needs to be done to ensure that women have and maintain that right."You either believe Yang to be honest and forthright in what he states in his policies (I very much do) or you don't.Well OK then, I guess I'm not sure what you're fishing for.
"Access to safe and affordable abortion services should also be provided to all Americans. Requirements placed by individual states on access should be subject to oversight by a board of doctors, not the whims of legislators who have no background on the procedure or even the basics of medicine.The two most effective ways to decrease the number of abortions are to provide every woman with access to contraceptives and to provide financial, emotional, and structural support to individuals who are financially struggling and become pregnant—Universal Basic Income would accomplish this for many prospective parents."
Does that help?
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
my take on what yang said, if i may, is what @Bentleyspop has been saying (i think it was bentlyspop-forgive me if i am incorrect) that it should be:
legal
safe
rare
now with regards to the 'rare' portion, bear with me, i believe that to mean that if we support people with enough education and access to proper health care, the rarer abortions will be. which i guess would be at least a part of the goal? i mean, the fewer medical procedures, the better, right?Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
yeah, haha, i actually came across this when i said that 'literally no one is pro abortion' many moons ago. didn't i actually post it in one of my responses? i thought i had. i was shocked to find that there are people who consider themselves pro abortion. i find that an odd distinction to make.cincybearcat said:
Wait a minute... Hugh? Did you read this?ecdanc said:
https://secularhumanism.org/2016/07/cont-why-i-am-pro-abortion-not-just-pro-choice/cincybearcat said:
Perhaps you should read before writing.ecdanc said:
It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Iscincybearcat said:
Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyoneecdanc said:
Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life.cincybearcat said:
You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.ecdanc said:
*raises hand*cincybearcat said:What’s wrong with that?
Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
you literally have said several times over many threads "you aren't entitled to an opinion on this". not sure how it can be a more clear example of censoring.ecdanc said:
Who is censoring? I'm in no position to censor anyone but myself. And I do.rgambs said:
Having freedom of thought is an intrinsic part of being human. Most opinions probably aren't worth a damn, but that doesn't mean we should control what people think. Not that we could, anyways.ecdanc said:
Why?rgambs said:Everyone is entitled to an opinion on anything they want to have an opinion on, Mr. Thought Police.
That doesn't mean everyone is entitled to a VOTE on every issue, but we all have opinions, including Mr. Thought Police.
I like Yang, he's a smart fellow and I would be glad to have him as POTUS.
I'm shocked a University professor would be so eager to censor the very thoughts of those with whom he disagrees.
This is why I earlier said that I find cincy (and perhaps you) more arrogant than me: you grant yourself the right to have an opinion on literally everything. I would never claim that for myself.
gambs is a self-professed arrogant. and i think i can speak for many that we still love him to bits.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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