some folk are upset at something yang said about abortion. i wish i could find the video. but he essentially said that, while abortion should always be up to the woman and her doc, it "shouldn't be celebrated". and should always be treated as a tragedy.
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You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life.
Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone
You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life.
Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone
It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is
You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life.
Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone
It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is
As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception.
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As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception.
Well said- very much agree.
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As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception.
Fair enough on the word choice. But I certainly agree with you here. All I was trying to say was it’s a last resort and means other things failed. I’m told no one wants that, so it is not a good thing.
As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception.
You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life.
Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone
It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is
As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception.
No birth control is risk free.
Sure, but some have more risks than others, and a surgical procedure involving anaesthesia will generally have a higher risk than many of the alternative contraception options.
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As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception.
No birth control is risk free.
Sure, but some have more risks than others, and a surgical procedure involving anaesthesia will generally have a higher risk than many of the alternative contraception options.
That’s fair. I just think your suggestion that something is “always better” than abortion has unintended consequences.
As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception.
Fair enough on the word choice. But I certainly agree with you here. All I was trying to say was it’s a last resort and means other things failed. I’m told no one wants that, so it is not a good thing.
It’s not always that something else failed. Women sometimes want to get pregnant then change their minds.
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Yesterday was rough for Yang but I'm not giving up- digging deep for another contribution and hoping things go better in New Hampshire. If Yang does well enough there, I'm still in, for sure. If not, I'm probably going with Amy. I love the vision of the future Yang incorporates in his message and views. I'm staying outside that stuffy box with him for now.
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As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception.
Fair enough on the word choice. But I certainly agree with you here. All I was trying to say was it’s a last resort and means other things failed. I’m told no one wants that, so it is not a good thing.
It’s not always that something else failed. Women sometimes want to get pregnant then change their minds.
As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception.
Fair enough on the word choice. But I certainly agree with you here. All I was trying to say was it’s a last resort and means other things failed. I’m told no one wants that, so it is not a good thing.
It’s not always that something else failed. Women sometimes want to get pregnant then change their minds.
You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life.
Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone
It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is
You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life.
Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone
It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is
Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd.
So you're allowed to have an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies? I suppose. When that opinion becomes political action, however......
You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life.
Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone
It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is
Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd.
So you're allowed to have an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies? I suppose. When that opinion becomes political action, however......
Yeah I feel this is a topic that could have discussion. And really if you go back, I’ll I’m saying at this point is that what is wrong with Yang saying abortion shouldn’t be celebrated? So many other, safer ways to prevent a pregnancy. You get there it’s like last like of defense. Would hope to never get there.
You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life.
Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone
It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is
Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd.
So you're allowed to have an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies? I suppose. When that opinion becomes political action, however......
Yeah I feel this is a topic that could have discussion. And really if you go back, I’ll I’m saying at this point is that what is wrong with Yang saying abortion shouldn’t be celebrated? So many other, safer ways to prevent a pregnancy. You get there it’s like last like of defense. Would hope to never get there.
You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life.
Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone
It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is
Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd.
So you're allowed to have an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies? I suppose. When that opinion becomes political action, however......
Yeah I feel this is a topic that could have discussion. And really if you go back, I’ll I’m saying at this point is that what is wrong with Yang saying abortion shouldn’t be celebrated? So many other, safer ways to prevent a pregnancy. You get there it’s like last like of defense. Would hope to never get there.
You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life.
Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone
It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is
Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd.
So you're allowed to have an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies? I suppose. When that opinion becomes political action, however......
Yeah I feel this is a topic that could have discussion. And really if you go back, I’ll I’m saying at this point is that what is wrong with Yang saying abortion shouldn’t be celebrated? So many other, safer ways to prevent a pregnancy. You get there it’s like last like of defense. Would hope to never get there.
Is it ok to celebrate when a condom works?
Didn’t you?
I know you're trying to keep a lighthearted tone here, but--maybe because I live in such a strongly anti-choice state--it's hard for me to joke about this.
Imagine with me if you will:
A woman doesn't want to be pregnant. She uses birth control. She celebrates the fact that she's not pregnant. Condom, pill, IUD, abortion, what have you.
Any suggestion that she *should not* celebrate, because of the form of birth control she uses, erodes women's bodily autonomy and cedes WAY too much ground to anti-choicers.
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Go Yang!
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-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd.
Imagine with me if you will:
A woman doesn't want to be pregnant. She uses birth control. She celebrates the fact that she's not pregnant. Condom, pill, IUD, abortion, what have you.
Any suggestion that she *should not* celebrate, because of the form of birth control she uses, erodes women's bodily autonomy and cedes WAY too much ground to anti-choicers.