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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    What’s wrong with that? 
    *raises hand*
    You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
    Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life. 
    Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    What’s wrong with that? 
    *raises hand*
    You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
    Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life. 
    Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone 
    It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is


  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    What’s wrong with that? 
    *raises hand*
    You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
    Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life. 
    Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone 
    It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is


    Perhaps you should read before writing.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term  “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,659
    oftenreading said:
    As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term  “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception. 
    Well said- very much agree.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    oftenreading said:
    As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term  “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception. 
    Fair enough on the word choice. But I certainly agree with you here. All I was trying to say was it’s a last resort and means other things failed. I’m told no one wants that, so it is not a good thing.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    oftenreading said:
    As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term  “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception. 
    No birth control is risk free. 
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    What’s wrong with that? 
    *raises hand*
    You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
    Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life. 
    Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone 
    It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is


    Perhaps you should read before writing.
    https://secularhumanism.org/2016/07/cont-why-i-am-pro-abortion-not-just-pro-choice/ 

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    ecdanc said:
    oftenreading said:
    As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term  “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception. 
    No birth control is risk free. 
    Sure, but some have more risks than others, and a surgical procedure involving anaesthesia will generally have a higher risk than many of the alternative contraception options. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    oftenreading said:
    ecdanc said:
    oftenreading said:
    As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term  “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception. 
    No birth control is risk free. 
    Sure, but some have more risks than others, and a surgical procedure involving anaesthesia will generally have a higher risk than many of the alternative contraception options. 
    That’s fair. I just think your suggestion that something is “always better” than abortion has unintended consequences. 
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term  “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception. 
    Fair enough on the word choice. But I certainly agree with you here. All I was trying to say was it’s a last resort and means other things failed. I’m told no one wants that, so it is not a good thing.
    It’s not always that something else failed. Women sometimes want to get pregnant then change their minds. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,659
    Yesterday was rough for Yang but I'm not giving up- digging deep for another contribution and hoping things go better in New Hampshire.  If Yang does well enough there, I'm still in, for sure.  If not, I'm probably going with Amy.  I love the vision of the future Yang incorporates in his message and views.  I'm staying outside that stuffy box with him for now.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term  “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception. 
    Fair enough on the word choice. But I certainly agree with you here. All I was trying to say was it’s a last resort and means other things failed. I’m told no one wants that, so it is not a good thing.
    It’s not always that something else failed. Women sometimes want to get pregnant then change their minds. 
    I already said failure of judgment ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    As someone who is strongly pro-choice, I disagree with the term  “tragedy”, but let’s be realistic here - no medical or surgical procedure is risk-free so it’s always better to avoid an unwanted pregnancy where possible, rather than consider abortion as just another means of contraception. 
    Fair enough on the word choice. But I certainly agree with you here. All I was trying to say was it’s a last resort and means other things failed. I’m told no one wants that, so it is not a good thing.
    It’s not always that something else failed. Women sometimes want to get pregnant then change their minds. 
    I already said failure of judgment ;)
    Joking or not, that's messed up. 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    What’s wrong with that? 
    *raises hand*
    You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
    Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life. 
    Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone 
    It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is


    Perhaps you should read before writing.
    https://secularhumanism.org/2016/07/cont-why-i-am-pro-abortion-not-just-pro-choice/ 

    Wait a minute... Hugh? Did you read this?

    ;)

    Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd. 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    What’s wrong with that? 
    *raises hand*
    You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
    Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life. 
    Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone 
    It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is


    Perhaps you should read before writing.
    https://secularhumanism.org/2016/07/cont-why-i-am-pro-abortion-not-just-pro-choice/ 

    Wait a minute... Hugh? Did you read this?

    ;)

    Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd. 
    So you're allowed to have an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies? I suppose. When that opinion becomes political action, however......
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    What’s wrong with that? 
    *raises hand*
    You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
    Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life. 
    Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone 
    It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is


    Perhaps you should read before writing.
    https://secularhumanism.org/2016/07/cont-why-i-am-pro-abortion-not-just-pro-choice/ 

    Wait a minute... Hugh? Did you read this?

    ;)

    Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd. 
    So you're allowed to have an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies? I suppose. When that opinion becomes political action, however......
    Yeah I feel this is a topic that could have discussion. And really if you go back, I’ll I’m saying at this point is that what is wrong with Yang saying abortion shouldn’t be celebrated? So many other, safer ways to prevent a pregnancy. You get there it’s like last like of defense. Would hope to never get there.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    What’s wrong with that? 
    *raises hand*
    You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
    Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life. 
    Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone 
    It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is


    Perhaps you should read before writing.
    https://secularhumanism.org/2016/07/cont-why-i-am-pro-abortion-not-just-pro-choice/ 

    Wait a minute... Hugh? Did you read this?

    ;)

    Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd. 
    So you're allowed to have an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies? I suppose. When that opinion becomes political action, however......
    Yeah I feel this is a topic that could have discussion. And really if you go back, I’ll I’m saying at this point is that what is wrong with Yang saying abortion shouldn’t be celebrated? So many other, safer ways to prevent a pregnancy. You get there it’s like last like of defense. Would hope to never get there.
    Is it ok to celebrate when a condom works? 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    What’s wrong with that? 
    *raises hand*
    You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
    Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life. 
    Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone 
    It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is


    Perhaps you should read before writing.
    https://secularhumanism.org/2016/07/cont-why-i-am-pro-abortion-not-just-pro-choice/ 

    Wait a minute... Hugh? Did you read this?

    ;)

    Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd. 
    So you're allowed to have an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies? I suppose. When that opinion becomes political action, however......
    Yeah I feel this is a topic that could have discussion. And really if you go back, I’ll I’m saying at this point is that what is wrong with Yang saying abortion shouldn’t be celebrated? So many other, safer ways to prevent a pregnancy. You get there it’s like last like of defense. Would hope to never get there.
    Is it ok to celebrate when a condom works? 
    Didn’t you? 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    What’s wrong with that? 
    *raises hand*
    You looking for an invitation? I already asked the question.
    Treating abortion as a tragedy cedes to anti-choice people ground re: what constitutes life. 
    Perhaps. But I do think it’s a tragedy and a failure. A failure of the education system or a failure of proper manufacturing of protection or a failure of judgement in the moment. Lots of failures cause I’ve been told nobody is pro-abortion. So you would think an abortion is seen as a non-preferred outcome for anyone 
    It’s birth control. It’s no more a failure than an IUD Is


    Perhaps you should read before writing.
    https://secularhumanism.org/2016/07/cont-why-i-am-pro-abortion-not-just-pro-choice/ 

    Wait a minute... Hugh? Did you read this?

    ;)

    Well I certainly disagree with this article, but all are allowed to have their opinions no matter how absurd. 
    So you're allowed to have an opinion about what women can/should do with their bodies? I suppose. When that opinion becomes political action, however......
    Yeah I feel this is a topic that could have discussion. And really if you go back, I’ll I’m saying at this point is that what is wrong with Yang saying abortion shouldn’t be celebrated? So many other, safer ways to prevent a pregnancy. You get there it’s like last like of defense. Would hope to never get there.
    Is it ok to celebrate when a condom works? 
    Didn’t you? 
    I know you're trying to keep a lighthearted tone here, but--maybe because I live in such a strongly anti-choice state--it's hard for me to joke about this.

    Imagine with me if you will:

    A woman doesn't want to be pregnant. She uses birth control. She celebrates the fact that she's not pregnant. Condom, pill, IUD, abortion, what have you. 

    Any suggestion that she *should not* celebrate, because of the form of birth control she uses, erodes women's bodily autonomy and cedes WAY too much ground to anti-choicers. 

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