2020 United States & Canada Tour Rumors

Lerxst1992

We are literally talking about changing the hearts and minds of 1% of the population targeted in the way our constitution  instructs us to

pjl44

Lerxst1992 said:

We are literally talking about changing the hearts and minds of 1% of the population targeted in the way our constitution  instructs us to

Yes, it is a free country and you're allowed to use ineffective methods. Hell, whatever gets Pearl Jam playing nearby is good by me. I consider VFC 2004 a success because we got 2 Boston shows. Bring on VFC 2020 with the same routing!

disilluzion

Personally, I have a mind of my own with my own beliefs. Ed is not going to change my mind on anything. But if he thinks it might, then come to MN!

JimmyV

Lerxst1992 said:

We are literally talking about changing the hearts and minds of 1% of the population targeted in the way our constitution  instructs us to

And to that end Pearl Jam might inspire a few more people to get registered and involved on election day. What they are unlikely to do is change any minds that are already made up.

JojoRice

A concert isn't going to influence who I vote for personally but I guess it might could influence others.  Everyone has the right to vote for whoever they want. Just go and have fun!  That's what concerts are all about!

DEGBTI

bummer, saw a bunch of replies, no rumors, just politics. I need to quit trusting these rumor threads, total let down every time

JimmyV

DEGBTI said:

bummer, saw a bunch of replies, no rumors, just politics. I need to quit trusting these rumor threads, total let down every time

When something real emerges the whole board will board will blow up. It won't just be a thread or two. 

verceman

Purpose of a vote for change your would not really be to change people's minds, which would be really pointless, it would be to "get out the vote", driving registration and early voting.  This is actually useful.  The most recent Senate vote in Montana was extremely close and Tester can legitimately point to Pearl Jam's show in Missoula as Tester won in part because turnout there was so strong and in his favor.

So Pearl Jam could go to swing States like PA and try to get out the vote in those states.

pjl44

verceman said:

 The most recent Senate vote in Montana was extremely close and Tester can legitimately point to Pearl Jam's show in Missoula as Tester won in part because turnout there was so strong and in his favor.

How do you know that?

Edit: He won by about the same margin as 2012 and a wider margin than 2006. Sooooooo yeah sure.

PB11041

verceman said:

Purpose of a vote for change your would not really be to change people's minds, which would be really pointless, it would be to "get out the vote", driving registration and early voting.  This is actually useful.  The most recent Senate vote in Montana was extremely close and Tester can legitimately point to Pearl Jam's show in Missoula as Tester won in part because turnout there was so strong and in his favor.

So Pearl Jam could go to swing States like PA and try to get out the vote in those states.

willing to bet that 50% of the crowd in Missoula was not even from Montana.  So the math there really doesn't work.  It was an excellent fundraiser for the sitting senator.  

Lerxst1992

JimmyV said:

Lerxst1992 said:

We are literally talking about changing the hearts and minds of 1% of the population targeted in the way our constitution  instructs us to

And to that end Pearl Jam might inspire a few more people to get registered and involved on election day. What they are unlikely to do is change any minds that are already made up.

 Of course. But we are talking about 1 or 2% of the population.  IMO the US is @40/40/20%. Its all about the 10-20% unaffiliated in the middle


Making a pledge like that would get noticed by the media. Maybe other bands could do it also. 

Nearly 20 years ago they did rock the vote and Ed asked us to vote for Nader. 

It seems to me promising a handful of shows for a direct plea for change could have far greater impact than past efforts.

And it costs them nothing. We know exactly what the red  wine drinker thinks of our beloved leader.

PB11041

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

Lerxst1992 said:

We are literally talking about changing the hearts and minds of 1% of the population targeted in the way our constitution  instructs us to

And to that end Pearl Jam might inspire a few more people to get registered and involved on election day. What they are unlikely to do is change any minds that are already made up.

 Of course. But we are talking about 1 or 2% of the population.  IMO the US is @40/40/20%. Its all about the 10-20% unaffiliated in the middle


Making a pledge like that would get noticed by the media. Maybe other bands could do it also. 

Nearly 20 years ago they did rock the vote and Ed asked us to vote for Nader. 

It seems to me promising a handful of shows for a direct plea for change could have far greater impact than past efforts.

And it costs them nothing. We know exactly what the red  wine drinker thinks of our beloved leader.

15 years of Gallup data would suggest otherwise.  Entrenched "I am X" political affiliations are probably significantly less than gallup shows, ie there are lots of people who say they are brand y but vote brand z and vice versa.   So to, people who claim to be independent but probably vote for a particular brand of politics with high frequency are a sizeable chunk.  Whether those cancel each other out or make certain segments slightly larger this data shows a fairly clear sentiment at about 30 to as high as 40% of people are not keen on parties.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

Lerxst1992

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

Lerxst1992 said:

We are literally talking about changing the hearts and minds of 1% of the population targeted in the way our constitution  instructs us to

And to that end Pearl Jam might inspire a few more people to get registered and involved on election day. What they are unlikely to do is change any minds that are already made up.

 Of course. But we are talking about 1 or 2% of the population.  IMO the US is @40/40/20%. Its all about the 10-20% unaffiliated in the middle


Making a pledge like that would get noticed by the media. Maybe other bands could do it also. 

Nearly 20 years ago they did rock the vote and Ed asked us to vote for Nader. 

It seems to me promising a handful of shows for a direct plea for change could have far greater impact than past efforts.

And it costs them nothing. We know exactly what the red  wine drinker thinks of our beloved leader.

15 years of Gallup data would suggest otherwise.  Entrenched "I am X" political affiliations are probably significantly less than gallup shows, ie there are lots of people who say they are brand y but vote brand z and vice versa.   So to, people who claim to be independent but probably vote for a particular brand of politics with high frequency are a sizeable chunk.  Whether those cancel each other out or make certain segments slightly larger this data shows a fairly clear sentiment at about 30 to as high as 40% of people are not keen on parties.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

The theory is that Rs are like PJ fans, they show up no matter what. Last 3 elections they're locked right in at the 47% range.

What Obama demonstrated is Democrats need to be inspired. There are more non voters imo that lean left but dont really care unless they were inspired.

Trump won 4 key states by 1%. Its almost as if he knew the precise # he needed in these states to win. But that's another story altogether. 

PJ did a few rock the vote campaigns and that's cool. IMO promising shows will get picked up by the media and accordingly has a chance to sway 1%. Its like rock the vote but interpreted to today's polarized era (when most only want to consider who daddy tells us to vote for). And PJ not doing it does nothing for "the resistance." We can agree to disagree. That's cool.

nicknyr15

pjl44 said:

pearljammr78 said:

Noload said:

Lerxst1992 said:

bootlegger10 said:

tracypawlak said:

I may have missed it, but has anyone brought up Alpine Valley as a possibility? It’s back open. I also believe Mike has said it’s on his list of favorite venues to play.

There are no credible rumors for US shows in 2020.  I think we all would be shocked if they don't playin 2020 in the US but so far no cities have been rumored.    They'll never play Alpine Valley again as long as they can play Wrigley (that is my own two cents). 

Wasn't the rumor for the USA tour in the fall to coincide with the reelection?

Euro has all the rumors  now bc their tour is to start in about 6 months and the festivals are about to announce headliners?

Yeah, my guess is they go out in the Fall for the reelection.  Hit some swing states.  

This is an honest question that the response above made me think of. 

Does anyone still believe a rock band can still go out and start a movement for political change in the United States? 

It seems to me that with the over saturation of news and/or propaganda that is spread through TV, social media, and other outlets, a band like Pearl Jam is preaching to the choir. Not saying their whole base is one way or another but saying most people have their minds made up and no amount of shows are going to change that. But I’m a huge pessimist and don’t live in a swing state so I just want a tour with shows I can drive to. 

The issue is that they misunderstand the problem nowadays. It's not the 60s where people believed in their institutions and needed to take a skeptical look. For a variety of reasons, people are super aware but they're also super entrenched.

Getting the hyper politicized to calm down and figure out how to work together is the challenge now. Unfortunately, a lot of artists find themselves in that very bucket so they're more apt to make things worse. Screaming about a guy that 60-70% of the country disapproves of is not radical action. 

Perfectly said. 

PB11041

Lerxst1992 said:

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

Lerxst1992 said:

We are literally talking about changing the hearts and minds of 1% of the population targeted in the way our constitution  instructs us to

And to that end Pearl Jam might inspire a few more people to get registered and involved on election day. What they are unlikely to do is change any minds that are already made up.

 Of course. But we are talking about 1 or 2% of the population.  IMO the US is @40/40/20%. Its all about the 10-20% unaffiliated in the middle


Making a pledge like that would get noticed by the media. Maybe other bands could do it also. 

Nearly 20 years ago they did rock the vote and Ed asked us to vote for Nader. 

It seems to me promising a handful of shows for a direct plea for change could have far greater impact than past efforts.

And it costs them nothing. We know exactly what the red  wine drinker thinks of our beloved leader.

15 years of Gallup data would suggest otherwise.  Entrenched "I am X" political affiliations are probably significantly less than gallup shows, ie there are lots of people who say they are brand y but vote brand z and vice versa.   So to, people who claim to be independent but probably vote for a particular brand of politics with high frequency are a sizeable chunk.  Whether those cancel each other out or make certain segments slightly larger this data shows a fairly clear sentiment at about 30 to as high as 40% of people are not keen on parties.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

The theory is that Rs are like PJ fans, they show up no matter what. Last 3 elections they're locked right in at the 47% range.

What Obama demonstrated is Democrats need to be inspired. There are more non voters imo that lean left but dont really care unless they were inspired.

Trump won 4 key states by 1%. Its almost as if he knew the precise # he needed in these states to win. But that's another story altogether. 

PJ did a few rock the vote campaigns and that's cool. IMO promising shows will get picked up by the media and accordingly has a chance to sway 1%. Its like rock the vote but interpreted to today's polarized era (when most only want to consider who daddy tells us to vote for). And PJ not doing it does nothing for "the resistance." We can agree to disagree. That's cool.

all the data suggests otherwise, and in any even such a "promise" would almost certainly violate some element of Federal and State Elections laws.  

pearljammr78

In these crazy times we are living in. Isn’t it almost a safety hazard for Pearl Jam or any other anti-trump band to stage concerts anywhere? If they came to California I would still go, but that’s because I don’t live in fear. But the crazies love to cause mass casualties and a majority (not all) of Trump’s supporters are fucking crazy. The safety of all the fans has to weigh heavy on the band and it’s management. It’s a sad state of affairs that we live in a time where a great rock concert is such a fragile place. When I went to U2 a couple years ago in Santa Clara they had cops on platforms pointing machine guns at the crowd coming into the stadium. It was like a war zone. Crazy stuff.   

jeffbr

Noload said:

Lerxst1992 said:

bootlegger10 said:

tracypawlak said:

I may have missed it, but has anyone brought up Alpine Valley as a possibility? It’s back open. I also believe Mike has said it’s on his list of favorite venues to play.

There are no credible rumors for US shows in 2020.  I think we all would be shocked if they don't playin 2020 in the US but so far no cities have been rumored.    They'll never play Alpine Valley again as long as they can play Wrigley (that is my own two cents). 

Wasn't the rumor for the USA tour in the fall to coincide with the reelection?

Euro has all the rumors  now bc their tour is to start in about 6 months and the festivals are about to announce headliners?

Yeah, my guess is they go out in the Fall for the reelection.  Hit some swing states.  

Why are you guys calling it the reelection? The 2020 election is not a fait accompli. 

pearljammr78

Nice words. I had to google it. 

pjl44

pearljammr78 said:

In these crazy times we are living in. Isn’t it almost a safety hazard for Pearl Jam or any other anti-trump band to stage concerts anywhere? If they came to California I would still go, but that’s because I don’t live in fear. But the crazies love to cause mass casualties and a majority (not all) of Trump’s supporters are fucking crazy. The safety of all the fans has to weigh heavy on the band and it’s management. It’s a sad state of affairs that we live in a time where a great rock concert is such a fragile place. When I went to U2 a couple years ago in Santa Clara they had cops on platforms pointing machine guns at the crowd coming into the stadium. It was like a war zone. Crazy stuff.   

I got into it with some other guy who made this point, but you should dial back the news you watch. Concerts are perfectly safe and people are not actively trying to harm you. You can certainly stay home if it makes you feel safer, but I don't get the impulse to concoct this scenario.

ComeToTX

Seriously. I go to 50+ shows a year and plenty (most) of those bands hate our President. I’ve never felt unsafe.