The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • mickeyrat said:
    There were a shit ton.
    Unfortunately only the shit made it through
    but its the best shit. there has never been greater shit. believe me
    Making shit Shitty again?
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    edited October 2019
    I've been very clear, I will not be leaving the Democratic Party, I will not be running as an independent or a third-party candidate," said Gabbard. "I am running as a Democrat to take our party back, away from the control of people like Hillary Clinton and the warmongering and corrupt, powerful establishment and return our party into the hands of the people.”




    She is Hillary Clinton. She's a legend. She's going to be in the history books, she's a former nominee of our party, and she just came out against a sitting U.S. congresswoman, a decorated war veteran, and somebody who's running for the nomination of our party with a complete smear and no facts," he said.

    "I do not want someone of her stature to legitimate these attacks against anybody," Jones continued. "If you've got real evidence, come forward with it. But if you're just going to smear people casually on podcasts, you are playing right into the Russians' hands." 


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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    If I was a candidate polling at one or two percent, this would be a best case scenario. I don’t know if all this attention will help Gabbard qualify for the next debate, but if it does, we know who to thank.

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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Instead of describing Hills comments as despicable, Tulsi should of called them deplorable.

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,614
    Hi! said:
    I've been very clear, I will not be leaving the Democratic Party, I will not be running as an independent or a third-party candidate," said Gabbard. "I am running as a Democrat to take our party back, away from the control of people like Hillary Clinton and the warmongering and corrupt, powerful establishment and return our party into the hands of the people.”




    She is Hillary Clinton. She's a legend. She's going to be in the history books, she's a former nominee of our party, and she just came out against a sitting U.S. congresswoman, a decorated war veteran, and somebody who's running for the nomination of our party with a complete smear and no facts," he said.

    "I do not want someone of her stature to legitimate these attacks against anybody," Jones continued. "If you've got real evidence, come forward with it. But if you're just going to smear people casually on podcasts, you are playing right into the Russians' hands." 



    This sounds like what was said on Maher last night?
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    edited October 2019
    Hi! said:
    I've been very clear, I will not be leaving the Democratic Party, I will not be running as an independent or a third-party candidate," said Gabbard. "I am running as a Democrat to take our party back, away from the control of people like Hillary Clinton and the warmongering and corrupt, powerful establishment and return our party into the hands of the people.”




    She is Hillary Clinton. She's a legend. She's going to be in the history books, she's a former nominee of our party, and she just came out against a sitting U.S. congresswoman, a decorated war veteran, and somebody who's running for the nomination of our party with a complete smear and no facts," he said.

    "I do not want someone of her stature to legitimate these attacks against anybody," Jones continued. "If you've got real evidence, come forward with it. But if you're just going to smear people casually on podcasts, you are playing right into the Russians' hands." 



    This sounds like what was said on Maher last night?
    I haven’t listened to Maher yet, just some clippings from a couple articles I read. One from The Hill, forgot the other.
    The quotes are from Yesterday though.
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Big day/week for Bernie, and he’s got a lot of money to spend. 

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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    I don't think she's wrong.

    Hillary Clinton Appears to Claim Russians ‘Grooming’ Tulsi Gabbard to Run as Third-Party Candidate


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-clinton-appears-to-claim-russians-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-to-run-as-third-party-candidate?via=twitter_page
    So if you don't think she's wrong, you must think she's right. And why is that? I ask because she doesn't give any sort of proof  in article you linked to. She just said "I think they’ve got their eye on someone who’s currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She’s the favorite of the Russians." 
    There is plenty of evidence out there, as Hillary alludes to in the interview.

    A lot of Russian internet bots and traffic pushing her along. In similar fashion to 2016.
    she would know...
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    As far as I can tell Hillary is playing right into Putin's hand by dividing the party and enabling the GOP and Trump. Hillary needs to STFU. She is irrelevant and only exists to divide at this point. 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    jeffbr said:
    As far as I can tell Hillary is playing right into Putin's hand by dividing the party and enabling the GOP and Trump. Hillary needs to STFU. She is irrelevant and only exists to divide at this point. 

    Tulsi polling around 1%. I highly doubt this is dividing anyone.

    She was right about a lot of things back in 2016 Russian related and I think she's on point here.

    I think she is doing a service nipping this stuff in the bud now. Shedding light on it now and getting it over with before the election is smart. If Tulsi did run 3rd party in the general it would be way more damaging.


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,610
    dignin said:
    jeffbr said:
    As far as I can tell Hillary is playing right into Putin's hand by dividing the party and enabling the GOP and Trump. Hillary needs to STFU. She is irrelevant and only exists to divide at this point. 

    Tulsi polling around 1%. I highly doubt this is dividing anyone.

    She was right about a lot of things back in 2016 Russian related and I think she's on point here.

    I think she is doing a service nipping this stuff in the bud now. Shedding light on it now and getting it over with before the election is smart. If Tulsi did run 3rd party in the general it would be way more damaging.


    Agreed.  I think her comments had a purpose.  She's putting people on guard.  People aren't going to flock to Trump because Tulsi took a punch. 
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    I agree that Tulsi running 3rd party would be worse, and she wouldn't have my vote. I'm voting for whichever Dem is polling highest or gets the nomination. But the in fighting and inter-party sniping is counterproductive. Especially from a has-been. 
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,130
    jeffbr said:
    I agree that Tulsi running 3rd party would be worse, and she wouldn't have my vote. I'm voting for whichever Dem is polling highest or gets the nomination. But the in fighting and inter-party sniping is counterproductive. Especially from a has-been. 
    Agreed. Exact same tactic of dividing the nation with propaganda that Russia used in 2016, regardless of Gabbard's standing.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,468
    outside interference aside, to what degree has she accepted responsibility for certain campaign decisions?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    mickeyrat said:
    outside interference aside, to what degree has she accepted responsibility for certain campaign decisions?

    We know she will have some snippet that she took responsibility somewhere tucked away in a manila folder with "remember to smile on camera!" written in a red sharpie on it in case someone asks.  Standard operating procedure for the old guard.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,610
    Jason P said:
    mickeyrat said:
    outside interference aside, to what degree has she accepted responsibility for certain campaign decisions?

    We know she will have some snippet that she took responsibility somewhere tucked away in a manila folder with "remember to smile on camera!" written in a red sharpie on it in case someone asks.  Standard operating procedure for the old guard.
    What's the "old guard"?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,610
    mickeyrat said:
    outside interference aside, to what degree has she accepted responsibility for certain campaign decisions?
    Perhaps they have not read the book. Hillary Clinton blames herself at least 35 times in What Happened. She apologizes for her mistakes, she apologizes for not apologizing, she even reports past apologies for mistakes she’d made before becoming the Democratic party candidate.

    https://qz.com/1077873/hillary-clinton-book-how-many-times-clinton-apologized-in-what-happened/
  • mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    outside interference aside, to what degree has she accepted responsibility for certain campaign decisions?
    Perhaps they have not read the book. Hillary Clinton blames herself at least 35 times in What Happened. She apologizes for her mistakes, she apologizes for not apologizing, she even reports past apologies for mistakes she’d made before becoming the Democratic party candidate.

    https://qz.com/1077873/hillary-clinton-book-how-many-times-clinton-apologized-in-what-happened/
    Hillary hate narrative not grounded in reality.
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  • I was going to say, she took full responsibility for her loss in her book. it's there in black and white. just because she also knows and perpetuates the fact that russia interfered, she knows and stated it was her fault that she lost. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,610
    How many initiatives will be paid by the "wealth tax"?  They seem to be adding up quickly.  Warren is also promising to communicate how she intends to pay for M4A.  
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/10/21/elizabeth-warren-calls-billions-new-dollars-reform-prek-schools-fight-privatization-heres-how-she-plans-pay-it/
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,610
    Pete, making a move.  
    Iowa..


  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,424
    I was going to say, she took full responsibility for her loss in her book. it's there in black and white. just because she also knows and perpetuates the fact that russia interfered, she knows and stated it was her fault that she lost. 
    Yup, if you buy her book and give her $ she'll apologize to you.  ;)


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  • I was going to say, she took full responsibility for her loss in her book. it's there in black and white. just because she also knows and perpetuates the fact that russia interfered, she knows and stated it was her fault that she lost. 
    Yup, if you buy her book and give her $ she'll apologize to you.  ;)


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,424
    mrussel1 said:
    How many initiatives will be paid by the "wealth tax"?  They seem to be adding up quickly.  Warren is also promising to communicate how she intends to pay for M4A.  
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/10/21/elizabeth-warren-calls-billions-new-dollars-reform-prek-schools-fight-privatization-heres-how-she-plans-pay-it/
    That's the problem.  So much being paid by the "rich" that the definition of "rich" will keep dropping.  I know I'm going to end up paying for a lot of your freeloaders!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,468
    mrussel1 said:
    How many initiatives will be paid by the "wealth tax"?  They seem to be adding up quickly.  Warren is also promising to communicate how she intends to pay for M4A.  
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/10/21/elizabeth-warren-calls-billions-new-dollars-reform-prek-schools-fight-privatization-heres-how-she-plans-pay-it/
    That's the problem.  So much being paid by the "rich" that the definition of "rich" will keep dropping.  I know I'm going to end up paying for a lot of your freeloaders!
    recall hearing she would tax stock trading? each transaction gets dinged like 25 cents or something?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,468
    so, thought struck me that trading in stocks is risk taking, yes? like gambling. gambling winnings get taxed . dont think losses can be written off. so tax it like gambling....
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,424
    mickeyrat said:
    so, thought struck me that trading in stocks is risk taking, yes? like gambling. gambling winnings get taxed . dont think losses can be written off. so tax it like gambling....
    I could see Taxing transaction for stocks held less than a certain period of time. Daytrader tax
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,468
    mickeyrat said:
    so, thought struck me that trading in stocks is risk taking, yes? like gambling. gambling winnings get taxed . dont think losses can be written off. so tax it like gambling....
    I could see Taxing transaction for stocks held less than a certain period of time. Daytrader tax
    how would that work? focus on the daytrading sites? what period of time would you be okay with?
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    mrussel1 said:
    Pete, making a move.  
    Iowa..


    Tommy TV ADS Steyer.  I don't live in Iowa but three solid months of that guy on the local TV?  Ew.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,610
    ikiT said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Pete, making a move.  
    Iowa..


    Tommy TV ADS Steyer.  I don't live in Iowa but three solid months of that guy on the local TV?  Ew.
    What do you have against Steyer?  He puts his own money where his mouth is.  
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